1st problem with O.S.A.S.

[mailmandan]

I answered your question.

You just cannot seem to perceive the answer. It’s right in front of your eyes in the scripture I supplied.

GEN2REV called me a liar for accusing you of teaching sinless perfection. I'll be awaiting his apology, but I won't be holding my breath.

 

[mailmandan]

On the contrary:

If you truly believe that you live a life of sin, with faults and defects, flaws, 100% of the time (exactly as Satan lived) then you are suffering from a terminal case of self UNrighteousness. 1 John 3:8

Strawman argument. Read and learn:

1 John 3 - Robertson's Word Pictures in the New Testament - Bible Commentaries - StudyLight.org

 

[Michiah-Imla]

Read and learn:

1 John 3 - Robertson's Word Pictures in the New Testament - Bible Commentaries - StudyLight.org

That’s the problem @mailmandan

You have “learned” from false teachers instead of the King James Bible.

 

[Michiah-Imla]

GEN2REV called me a liar for accusing you of teaching sinless perfection. I'll be awaiting his apology, but I won't be holding my breath.

When did @GEN2REV do this?

I have had my disagreements with him on another topic - wine.

 

[mailmandan]

That’s the problem @mailmandan

You have “learned” from false teachers instead of the King James Bible.

Oh the irony about false teachers. The KJV was translated from Greek in the NT and even 1 John 1:8-10 in the KJV refutes your argument.

 

[GEN2REV]

When did @GEN2REV do this?

I have had my disagreements with him on another topic - wine.

I have not seen you claim to be living in 100% sinless perfection anywhere. Have I missed that post?

JunkMailDan has not been able to produce that post at my request.

 

[mailmandan]

When did @GEN2REV do this?

I have had my disagreements with him on another topic - wine.

You're up and you can explain post #178 to GEN2REV. Your interpretation of 1 John 3:9 strongly implies sinless perfection. Is that what you teach? YES or NO?

 

[Michiah-Imla]

Your interpretation of 1 John 3:9 strongly implies sinless perfection. Is that what you teach? YES or NO?

I’m not interpreting (translating) the scripture. The scripture in question (along with many other passages) unequivocally teach sinlessness in the believer.

But since many men won’t reckon their flesh dead, they continue to be governed by the flesh. And In order to avoid a carnal mind meltdown they need alternative teachings to continue in their vain fleshly religion of sin.

 

[Michiah-Imla]

I have not seen you claim to be living in 100% sinless perfection anywhere. Have I missed that post?

JunkMailDan has not been able to produce that post at my request.

In all fairness to @mailmandan I do point out (strongly) that the scriptures indeed teach sinlessness in the believer.

You may join him in this regard.

I’m not here to make friends at the cost of sacrificing truth.

 

[mailmandan]

I have not seen you claim to be living in 100% sinless perfection anywhere. Have I missed that post?

JunkMailDan has not been able to produce that post at my request.

See post #188.

 

[GEN2REV]

I’m not interpreting (translating) the scripture. The scripture in question (along with many other passages) unequivocally teach sinlessness in the believer.

But since many men won’t reckon their flesh dead, they continue to be governed by the flesh. And In order to avoid a carnal mind meltdown they need alternative teachings to continue in their vain fleshly religion of sin.

I don't think that answered the question.

Do you claim to be 100% without any sin, like Christ, from moment to moment 24/7 or do you admit that, just as James 3:2 makes clear, you still stumble at times - even with the Spirit's assistance and guidance?

 

[GEN2REV]

In all fairness to @mailmandan I do point out (strongly) that the scriptures indeed teach sinlessness in the believer.

Yes, that is what all Christians are to strive for, but not for the sole operative result of our salvation, and none of us are above James 3:2.

The point of argument from me is that we are all to obey the 10 Commandments to the very best of our ability via the assistance of the Spirit, but the naysayers claim that we are not to obey them and that obeying them can only be intended in a legalism manner, bypassing Grace.

Neither of which are true.

 

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JunkMailDan

Rude.

 

[mailmandan]

I don't think that answered the question.

Do you claim to be 100% without any sin, like Christ, from moment to moment 24/7 or do you admit that, just as James 3:2 makes clear, you still stumble at times - even with the Spirit's assistance and guidance?

He refuses to answer YES or NO but his strong implications are obvious to me.

 

[mailmandan]

Rude.

And childish.

 

[Michiah-Imla]

Do you claim to be 100% without any sin, like Christ, from moment to moment 24/7

Yes.

John 14:12
1 Peter 4:1

James 3:2 makes clear, you still stumble at times

See the whole picture:

“If any man offend not in word, the same is a perfect man, and able also to bridle the whole body.” (James 3:2)

The perfect man does not offend.

 

[mailmandan]

Yes.

John 14:12
1 Peter 4:1
.

There it is!!! He answered "YES." Finally!

 

[Michiah-Imla]

There it is!!! He answered "YES." Finally!

Yes, and the supporting scriptures I provided are of no interest to you.

Speaks volumes…

 

[theefaith]

Ephesians 1:13 - In Him you also trusted, after you heard the word of truth, the gospel of your salvation; in whom also, having believed, you were sealed with the Holy Spirit of promise, 14 who is the guarantee of our inheritance until the redemption of the purchased possession, to the praise of His glory.

2 Corinthians 1:22 - who also has sealed us and given us the Spirit in our hearts as a guarantee.

2 Corinthians 5:5 - Now He who has prepared us for this very thing is God, who also has given us the Spirit as a guarantee.

then you’re saved by baptism?

 

[mailmandan]

Yes, and the supporting scriptures I provided are of no interest to you.

Speaks volumes…

You mean your biased interpretation of those scriptures. I can see that you have no interest in 1 John 1:8-10. Pride and self righteousness are a fatal combination!