Timing of the abomination of desolation

[Randy Kluth]

Luke was written after 70AD. How is 70AD future from the writing of Luke?

Luke was not written after 70 AD.
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Date of Writing: The Gospel of Luke was written between AD. 58 and AD 65. Purpose of Writing: As with the other two synoptic gospels—Matthew and Mark—this book's purpose is to reveal the Lord Jesus Christ and all He “began to do and to teach until the day he was taken up to heaven” Acts 1:1-2. Luke's Gospel.

Luke was a co-worker with Paul. That's biblical. Josephus doesn't matter in this regard.

2 Tim 4.11 Only Luke is with me.

 

[Marty fox]

Luke was not written after 70 AD.
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Date of Writing: The Gospel of Luke was written between AD. 58 and AD 65. Purpose of Writing: As with the other two synoptic gospels—Matthew and Mark—this book's purpose is to reveal the Lord Jesus Christ and all He “began to do and to teach until the day he was taken up to heaven” Acts 1:1-2. Luke's Gospel.

Luke was a co-worker with Paul. That's biblical. Josephus doesn't matter in this regard.

2 Tim 4.11 Only Luke is with me.

Yes Lukes gospel was written before he wrote Acts and Paul was still alive when Acts was written

 

[Timtofly]

What did Randy say that would lead you to believe that he was claiming that Luke was written before 70 AD? I don't see how that has anything to do with what he said.

Because I pointed out Luke was more an historical record than a prophetic account. That is why Luke mentioned the past Roman armies as fulfillment of a part of the OD.

Luke did not write about a future AoD that is still future even today.

 

[Timtofly]

Jesus referred to His disciples as "ye" and "you" in verses two and four.

But Jesus also referred to "ye" and "you" throughout the entire Discourse.

If "ye" and "you" referred to Jesus' disciples in verses two and four,
Why wouldn't "ye" and "you" refer to Jesus' disciples throughout the entire Discourse?

Are you not a disciple of Christ?

 

[Timtofly]

Luke was not written after 70 AD.
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Date of Writing: The Gospel of Luke was written between AD. 58 and AD 65. Purpose of Writing: As with the other two synoptic gospels—Matthew and Mark—this book's purpose is to reveal the Lord Jesus Christ and all He “began to do and to teach until the day he was taken up to heaven” Acts 1:1-2. Luke's Gospel.

Luke was a co-worker with Paul. That's biblical. Josephus doesn't matter in this regard.

2 Tim 4.11 Only Luke is with me.

Sorry but linking to a private website is only personal opinion. Of course there is controversy over who wrote it. Luke the author was born in 65AD. Nice writing style for a toddler. I doubt his birth in 65AD is accurate. But he certainly wrote Luke after 70AD. Not sure why Acts would not be considered historical. If he was 25 when Paul died, his writings would be later in life. He was a doctor when he traveled with Paul, not a scribe. He could have easily traveled with Paul the last 4 or 5 years of Paul's life as a young doctor. I highly doubt he was born the year Paul died. Neither was he the same age as Paul, nor older than Paul like Peter or Matthew. I think you need a broader historical view from tradition, instead of personal opinions from those with a theological bias.

 

[Randy Kluth]

Yes Lukes gospel was written before he wrote Acts and Paul was still alive when Acts was written

Thanks Marty for the additional detail!

 

[Randy Kluth]

Sorry but linking to a private website is only personal opinion. Of course there is controversy over who wrote it. Luke the author was born in 65AD. Nice writing style for a toddler. I doubt his birth in 65AD is accurate. But he certainly wrote Luke after 70AD. Not sure why Acts would not be considered historical. If he was 25 when Paul died, his writings would be later in life. He was a doctor when he traveled with Paul, not a scribe. He could have easily traveled with Paul the last 4 or 5 years of Paul's life as a young doctor. I highly doubt he was born the year Paul died. Neither was he the same age as Paul, nor older than Paul like Peter or Matthew. I think you need a broader historical view from tradition, instead of personal opinions from those with a theological bias.

The Bible has theological bias?

 

[Timtofly]

The Bible has theological bias?

The Bible is a personal website?

Ever heard of a 32 volume Encyclopedia set? Lot of bias in those?

 

[covenantee]

Are you not a disciple of Christ?

Were not the disciples disciples of Christ?

 

[Randy Kluth]

The Bible is a personal website?

Ever heard of a 32 volume Encyclopedia set? Lot of bias in those?

Have you ever heard of Diderot's Encyclopedia?

 

[Timtofly]

Were not the disciples disciples of Christ?

So that is a no? You are not a disciple of Christ?

 

[Timtofly]

Have you ever heard of Diderot's Encyclopedia?

If you are going solely from Scripture, 70AD is never mentioned. Thus only a form of enlightenment, from personal opinion. Is this Encyclopedia the first mention of 70AD?

 

[Randy Kluth]

If you are going solely from Scripture, 70AD is never mentioned. Thus only a form of enlightenment, from personal opinion. Is this Encyclopedia the first mention of 70AD?

You are confusing literal quotes with Scriptural authority. Jesus may say that in his generation the temple will be destroyed, stone by stone. That is a paraphrase, and not a literal, exact quotation.

However, it literally *means* that what happened in 70 AD was what he said would happen. That is by Scriptural authority, quite literally.

Diderot's Encyclopedia is a good example of biased use of encyclopedias, which claim to be objective, science-based facts of the world. If you think encyclopedias aren't biased, you've not been trained well enough in critical thinking. That is tantamount to saying, as a child, my Dad can beat anybody up and is never wrong!

 

[Timtofly]

You are confusing literal quotes with Scriptural authority. Jesus may say that in his generation the temple will be destroyed, stone by stone. That is a paraphrase, and not a literal, exact quotation.

However, it literally *means* that what happened in 70 AD was what he said would happen. That is by Scriptural authority, quite literally.

Diderot's Encyclopedia is a good example of biased use of encyclopedias, which claim to be objective, science-based facts of the world. If you think encyclopedias aren't biased, you've not been trained well enough in critical thinking. That is tantamount to saying, as a child, my Dad can beat anybody up and is never wrong!

My point is that encyclopedias give a broader picture, than a single quote from a private person's opinion.

Jesus' generation were dead by 40AD.

You are confusing facts with biased opinions.

 

[covenantee]

So that is a no? You are not a disciple of Christ?

I'm not Peter or James or John or Andrew, whom Jesus addressed as "ye" and "you" throughout His entire discourse.

Are you Peter or James or John or Andrew, whom Jesus addressed as "ye" and "you" throughout His entire discourse?

 

[Keraz]

The scripture that plainly states what the Abomination of Desolation will be; Is 2 Thessalonians 2:4 He [the man of sin, the wicked one whom Jesus will destroy; 2 Thess 2:8 & Revelation 19:20] is the adversary, who raises himself up above all gods and against all objects of worship and even enthrones himself in Gods Temple; claiming to be God.
This is still yet to happen.

That there will be a new Temple built in Jerusalem, dedicated to God; is foreseen in many Prophesies.
That there will be a powerful leader on earth during the end times, is clearly prophesied.
That Satan in the guise of a human man, will control the world government for the final 42 months of this age, is plainly told to us.

People who ignore or deny these facts as prophesied in our Bible, are just fooling themselves. And what is worse; trying to fool others.

 

[Timtofly]

I'm not Peter or James or John or Andrew, whom Jesus addressed as "ye" and "you" throughout His entire discourse.

Are you Peter or James or John or Andrew, whom Jesus addressed as "ye" and "you" throughout His entire discourse?

You only asked about a few verses, and now you are moving the goalposts?

I am a "you" and "ye" of the generation alive at the Second Coming. I am a "you" and "ye" of Matthew 24:4-14

Are Peter, James, and John currently alive on earth?

 

[Spiritual Israelite]

Because I pointed out Luke was more an historical record than a prophetic account.

No, it isn't. Luke 21 is Luke's account of the Olivet Discourse. It's the same discourse as Matthew 24-25 and Mark 13. It's not as if there are two Olivet Discourses.

That is why Luke mentioned the past Roman armies as fulfillment of a part of the OD.

He didn't mention them as being past. He was quoting things Jesus said well before 70 AD about what was going to happen in the future as of the time Jesus was speaking. It's not Luke talking there in Luke 21 about things that happened in the past. It's Luke quoting things Jesus said well before 70 AD when He talked about things that would happen in the future as of the time He was speaking.

Luke did not write about a future AoD that is still future even today.

Neither did Matthew or Mark because Matthew 24:15-22 and Mark 13:14-20 are parallel accounts to Luke 21:20-24. Luke didn't mention the abomination of desolation spoken of by Daniel because his audience was Gentiles and they would not have been familiar with Daniel's prophecy. So, he spelled it out to them as to what it was about.

 

[Spiritual Israelite]

The scripture that plainly states what the Abomination of Desolation will be; Is 2 Thessalonians 2:4 He [the man of sin, the wicked one whom Jesus will destroy; 2 Thess 2:8 & Revelation 19:20] is the adversary, who raises himself up above all gods and against all objects of worship and even enthrones himself in Gods Temple; claiming to be God.
This is still yet to happen.

That there will be a new Temple built in Jerusalem, dedicated to God; is foreseen in many Prophesies.
That there will be a powerful leader on earth during the end times, is clearly prophesied.
That Satan in the guise of a human man, will control the world government for the final 42 months of this age, is plainly told to us.

People who ignore or deny these facts as prophesied in our Bible, are just fooling themselves. And what is worse; trying to fool others.

You are fooling yourself by thinking that any physical temple built in Jerusalem could possibly be something that Paul would call "the temple of God". That idea is as foolish as it gets.

 

[covenantee]

You only asked about a few verses, and now you are moving the goalposts?

Are you the only one permitted to ask about verses?

Which Bible verse defines goalposts?

I am a "you" and "ye" of the generation alive at the Second Coming.

You know when the second coming will be? Please share that date with us and the world, and with Jesus who said He didn't know it.

I am a "you" and "ye" of Matthew 24:4-14

You have no idea what you are. You weren't there.

Are Peter, James, and John currently alive on earth?

Were you alive on earth at the Olivet Discourse?


Thanks for today's guffaws. Proverbs 17:22.