None righteous

[Prentis]

Hi all! This verse has been getting thrown around so much... And I thought it was worth going into. Here's my thoughts on the subject that I had posted in another thread.

We must be very carefull how we use that verse. Yes, there is none righteous, when God measures them against the righteousness of God. But there are righteous men...

Genesis 7:1
[ The Great Flood ] Then the LORD said to Noah, “Come into the ark, you and all your household, because I have seen that you are righteous before Me in this generation.
It says Noah WAS indeed righteous. The verse you use actually also applies to Noah.

None have the righteousness of Christ and are righteous like him (by their own power), but men can be righteous (like Noah) according to the righteousness of men. That means obedience in whatever they are capable, and humility and repentance where they are weak.

If we do not see this, either the Bible is wrong because it says Noah was righteous, or it is wrong because it says that none are righteous. But it isn't. that's how it all comes together :)

We must exercise the righteousness of men; that is to be just, humble, giving where we can, loving... And to that we as Christians are called to add the righteousness of Christ, to do so we must lay down our own old life, and take up his strength.

 

[Insight]

What made Noah righteous Prentis?

Faith and Works?

 

[Prentis]

What does it matter which is factually right? And what point does that make? :)

 

[Robbie]

So God judges on a curve? haha... the more I read what you write the more I realize everything you write is all about taking the glory that belongs to Christ.. and pointing it at yourself... and then trying to get others to believe the same false gospel so you can feel right and cater more to your pride...

 

[Duckybill]

Hey Robbie, what is this "haha" in so many of your posts?

 

[Insight]

What does it matter which is factually right? And what point does that make? :)

Well these things were written for our learning.

The facts are important Prentis.
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But Noah found grace in the eyes of Yahweh - - Do you think Noah must have "sought" grace in order to have "found" it? ​

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It implies some action on his part does it not?
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[Robbie]

Good point...

Why would Noah need grace if He was righteous in and of himself?

haha

I can't believe Prentis boasts so much in his self righteousness and yet won't give Christ the glory He deserves for being our salvation...

Wait a minute... come to think of it... I guess it's always been those who boasted in their self righteousness that wouldn't confess Christ as savior.

 

[Duckybill]

haha

I can't believe Prentis boasts so much in his self righteousness and yet won't give Christ the glory He deserves for being our salvation...

How about those who boast in their unrighteousness?

 

[Robbie]

Admitting that I have no salvation apart from Christ is not boasting in unrighteousness... it's confessing it... which is what Christ said forgiveness is dependent on... if you confess your sin He's faithful to forgive you...

You have no clue what you're talking about... haha

 

[Duckybill]

Admitting that I have no salvation apart from Christ is not boasting in unrighteousness... it's confessing it... which is what Christ said forgiveness is dependent on... if you confess your sin He's faithful to forgive you...

You have no clue what you're talking about... haha

I was just saying, it sounds like you are continually boasting that you are unrighteous. Is that something to be proud of?

 

[Robbie]

Yeah man... me admitting that I fall short of the glory of God is me boasting... and you and Prentis and everyone else who denies Christ as their savior based on self righteousness acquired by works are the ones that are humble...

Are you seriously that deceived and in denial?

 

[goodshepard55]

Noah was found righteous for his faith...In the One True God

 

[aspen]

Yeah man... me admitting that I fall short of the glory of God is me boasting... and you and Prentis and everyone else who denies Christ as their savior based on self righteousness acquired by works are the ones that are humble...

Are you seriously that deceived and in denial?

Is it possible to participate in the process of salvation AND be completely unable to complete or even participate in the process without God? I think it is possible. An analogy might be our relationship with the Sun - could we build a skyscraper without the Sun? Could life exist without the Sun? Human achievement does not deny the role of the Sun in life - it complements it.

 

[Robbie]

Yeah Aspen... you're partially responsible for why the Sun shines... for why the Sun gives us light... for why the Son saves us...

 

[goodshepard55]

Gal.3:

3:1 You foolish Galatians! Who has bewitched you? Before your very eyes Jesus Christ was clearly portrayed as crucified.
2 I would like to learn just one thing from you: Did you receive the Spirit by observing the law, or by believing what you heard?
3 Are you so foolish? After beginning with the Spirit, are you now trying to attain your goal by human effort?
4 Have you suffered so much for nothing--if it really was for nothing?
5 Does God give you his Spirit and work miracles among you because you observe the law, or because you believe what you heard?
6 Consider Abraham: "He believed God, and it was credited to him as righteousness."
7 Understand, then, that those who believe are children of Abraham.
8 The Scripture foresaw that God would justify the Gentiles by faith, and announced the gospel in advance to Abraham: "All nations will be blessed through you."
9 So those who have faith are blessed along with Abraham, the man of faith.
10 All who rely on observing the law are under a curse, for it is written: "Cursed is everyone who does not continue to do everything written in the Book of the Law."
11 Clearly no one is justified before God by the law, because, "The righteous will live by faith."
12 The law is not based on faith; on the contrary, "The man who does these things will live by them."
13 Christ redeemed us from the curse of the law by becoming a curse for us, for it is written: "Cursed is everyone who is hung on a tree."
14 He redeemed us in order that the blessing given to Abraham might come to the Gentiles through Christ Jesus, so that by faith we might receive the promise of the Spirit.
15 Brothers, let me take an example from everyday life. Just as no one can set aside or add to a human covenant that has been duly established, so it is in this case.
16 The promises were spoken to Abraham and to his seed. The Scripture does not say "and to seeds," meaning many people, but "and to your seed," meaning one person, who is Christ.
17 What I mean is this: The law, introduced 430 years later, does not set aside the covenant previously established by God and thus do away with the promise.
18 For if the inheritance depends on the law, then it no longer depends on a promise; but God in his grace gave it to Abraham through a promise.
19 What, then, was the purpose of the law? It was added because of transgressions until the Seed to whom the promise referred had come. The law was put into effect through angels by a mediator.
20 A mediator, however, does not represent just one party; but God is one.
21 Is the law, therefore, opposed to the promises of God? Absolutely not! For if a law had been given that could impart life, then righteousness would certainly have come by the law.
22 But the Scripture declares that the whole world is a prisoner of sin, so that what was promised, being given through faith in Jesus Christ, might be given to those who believe.
23 Before this faith came, we were held prisoners by the law, locked up until faith should be revealed.
24 So the law was put in charge to lead us to Christ that we might be justified by faith.
25 Now that faith has come, we are no longer under the supervision of the law.
26 You are all sons of God through faith in Christ Jesus,
27 for all of you who were baptized into Christ have clothed yourselves with Christ.
28 There is neither Jew nor Greek, slave nor free, male nor female, for you are all one in Christ Jesus.
29 If you belong to Christ, then you are Abraham's seed, and heirs according to the promise.


Scripture is very clear...we have to take the whole scripture..not just parts we want to use to justify our points..Trust Jesus for your righteousness

 

[aspen]

Yeah Aspen... you're partially responsible for why the Sun shines... for why the Sun gives us light... for why the Son saves us...

You are not seeing straight, friend. I will wait until you are in a better space. PM me if you want to talk.

 

[Insight]

Good point...
Why would Noah need grace if He was righteous in and of himself?
haha
I can't believe Prentis boasts so much in his self righteousness and yet won't give Christ the glory He deserves for being our salvation...
Wait a minute... come to think of it... I guess it's always been those who boasted in their self righteousness that wouldn't confess Christ as savoir.

Robbie,

No man is righteous of himself. One can only live in hope of declaring righteousness through faith? Gal 5:5 We belong to a ministry that brings righteousness by faith 2 Cor 3:9 even Noah was a preacher of righteousness 2 Peter 2:5 And I take it from the comments here that some believe they possess righteousness? Matt 6:33...have they stopped seeking?

Only the proud and arrogant of heart would declare they have the righteousness of God seeing "the day in which God will judge the world in righteousness, by that Man whom he hath ordained" Acts 17:31. And if and when the saints take part in such a judgment it is due to this man Jesus Christ alone.

But first one must understand how that righteousness was attained.

Our Lord was cursed on a tree, not Jesus himself, but the sin to which his human nature was inclined: "For what the law was powerless to do in that it was weakened by the sinful nature, God did by sending his own Son in the likeness of sinful man to be a sin offering. And so HE CONDEMNED SIN IN THE FLESH" Rom 8:3.

"God made him who had no sin [that is, personally] to be sin [in a nature, or physical body, prone to sin] for us" in other words, he was put under the curse of the Law so that in him we might become the righteousness of God" 2 Co 5:21: so that through this man who overcame sin, our sins “might” be forgiven!

For now dear readers it is suffecient for us to love righteousness and hate sin....for what is the alternative? Rom 4:8KJV cmp Gal 3:6

Insight

 

[Buzzfruit]

Hi all! This verse has been getting thrown around so much... And I thought it was worth going into. Here's my thoughts on the subject that I had posted in another thread.

We must be very carefull how we use that verse. Yes, there is none righteous, when God measures them against the righteousness of God. But there are righteous men...

Genesis 7:1
[ The Great Flood ] Then the LORD said to Noah, “Come into the ark, you and all your household, because I have seen that you are righteous before Me in this generation.
It says Noah WAS indeed righteous. The verse you use actually also applies to Noah.

None have the righteousness of Christ and are righteous like him (by their own power), but men can be righteous (like Noah) according to the righteousness of men. That means obedience in whatever they are capable, and humility and repentance where they are weak.

If we do not see this, either the Bible is wrong because it says Noah was righteous, or it is wrong because it says that none are righteous. But it isn't. that's how it all comes together :)

We must exercise the righteousness of men; that is to be just, humble, giving where we can, loving... And to that we as Christians are called to add the righteousness of Christ, to do so we must lay down our own old life, and take up his strength.

All those who are in Christ and have received the Holy Spirit are righteous. If Christians still see themselves as sinners then something is wrong. Because either they are still living in sin and love sin or they do not understand what they are cloth in Jesus' righteousness.

 

[Episkopos]

God helps those whom He is pleased with.

 

[Jake]

God helps those whom He is pleased with.

These are the ones He is pleased with.

Hebrews 11:6 "And without faith it is impossible to please Him, for whoever would draw near to God must believe that He exists and He rewards those who seek Him."

peace -