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Robbie
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Once again... back to the, "Christ died for us who are righteous" which is really just, "The level of righteousness acquired for salvation is how good I am" which is really just, "Salvation is all about my righteousness and me being better than others"
Which is really all just blind hypocrisy that doesn't know Christ or recognize His glory... and doesn't recognize the reality of their fallen state.
It's worthless... it only hinders people from entering in... while they themselves don't enter in...
Blind hypocrisy...
The only way to draw near to God is through Jesus Christ... it's not by works... He's the only way to the Father... not your filthy rags of works...
Which is really all just blind hypocrisy that doesn't know Christ or recognize His glory... and doesn't recognize the reality of their fallen state.
It's worthless... it only hinders people from entering in... while they themselves don't enter in...
Blind hypocrisy...
The only way to draw near to God is through Jesus Christ... it's not by works... He's the only way to the Father... not your filthy rags of works...
aspen
“"The harvest is plentiful but the workers are few
Our part of loving God and neighbor is a work. All relationships require the participation of all parties involved or the relationship really doesn't exist, by definition. It doesn't mean that the participation has to be equal - but it does have to exist. Since we are required to have a relationship with Christ to be saved, our works are necessary. We must practice our sanctification.
Robbie
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So an infant who only can offer their Father poop, and screams, and throwup... plays an equal part in their relationship?
Or are they simply loved by their Father because when the Father looks at them He says, "That is my child" Thanks to Jesus Christ alone we are given the right to be called the children of God.
Or are they simply loved by their Father because when the Father looks at them He says, "That is my child" Thanks to Jesus Christ alone we are given the right to be called the children of God.
aspen
“"The harvest is plentiful but the workers are few
The infant / mother relationship is very complex and mutual. It is not equal, of course, but it involves the full participation of both parties. In fact, if the infant did not mirror the mother's behavior - cooing and all the things babies do, they would not be practicing for the next stage of development and would certainly miss out on key skills and sensory development.
Robbie
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Aspen...
A GOOD parent will love their mentally handicapped child who can't offer anything just the same as a they would love a child that wasn't disabled.
A GOOD parent's love and relationship with the child has nothing to do with the child's works.
They might reward the child for their good works... but that's it...
We're the children of God so those are the principle's of relationship that apply to us.
And it's all the glory of Christ that we have that relationship... since it's by Him alone that we're give the right to be called the children of God.
Our Father is a very Good Parent...
While is rewards for us might be dependent on our report cards... His love isn't... our salvation is based on His Love... not on our report card...
A GOOD parent will love their mentally handicapped child who can't offer anything just the same as a they would love a child that wasn't disabled.
A GOOD parent's love and relationship with the child has nothing to do with the child's works.
They might reward the child for their good works... but that's it...
We're the children of God so those are the principle's of relationship that apply to us.
And it's all the glory of Christ that we have that relationship... since it's by Him alone that we're give the right to be called the children of God.
Our Father is a very Good Parent...
While is rewards for us might be dependent on our report cards... His love isn't... our salvation is based on His Love... not on our report card...
aspen
“"The harvest is plentiful but the workers are few
All relationships involve the participation of at least two parties, by definition. Even if you reduce the parent child relationship to a parasitic relationship - it still involves the participation of two parties. Sorry.
Robbie
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haha... I'm not a scientist... I wouldn't ever call a parent's relationship with their child parasitic...
I would just say a good parent loves their child no matter what they get in return... which is the love God showed to us by sending is Son to die for our sins...
All glory to the Father and His Son...
I would just say a good parent loves their child no matter what they get in return... which is the love God showed to us by sending is Son to die for our sins...
All glory to the Father and His Son...
Yes. God brings us up, and loves us in hope that we would become mature and adult. :)
The same way he plants seed in hope that it would bear fruit. :)
The same way he plants seed in hope that it would bear fruit. :)
Robbie
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Yep... He loves us as children because thanks to Jesus (Not our works) we're given the right to be called children of God.
Yep... He gives me every good think because He loves me...
I love Him because He first loved me and He's already proven He loves me despite my sin... when He sent His Son to pay for them.
Yep... He gives me every good think because He loves me...
I love Him because He first loved me and He's already proven He loves me despite my sin... when He sent His Son to pay for them.
God's nature is to love. God loves all because that is the way he is. He isn't pleased in condemning someone.
The devil is the opposite, he's a black hole, taking and not giving.
In the end, God will reward those who, like him, gave love.
When he loves us, it's not so that we feel special, it's so that we learn from his nature to love as he does.
The devil is the opposite, he's a black hole, taking and not giving.
In the end, God will reward those who, like him, gave love.
When he loves us, it's not so that we feel special, it's so that we learn from his nature to love as he does.
Robbie
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He loves us because He loves us...
He showed that by sending His Son to die for us when we were sinners... not when we were righteous... since no one is... haha
He showed that by sending His Son to die for us when we were sinners... not when we were righteous... since no one is... haha
No one is righteous like God. But Noah was righteous.
If it was as you say, we would be saved by gnosis, by knowing something. He showed us his character in sending his son, and dying for the wicked. In this, we are to be disciples of Christ, to learn his way, which is indeed love and truth.
If we think God just picked us as his favorites, we are wrong. God gave Lucifer a place of great honor, but when he betrayed the Lord, he was cast out. In the same way God shows us favor. If we take this favor and use it on our own advantage, we also fall under the same condemnation. What God wants of us is that we learn of him and become like him.
For Christians that means dying and having Christ live in you.
If it was as you say, we would be saved by gnosis, by knowing something. He showed us his character in sending his son, and dying for the wicked. In this, we are to be disciples of Christ, to learn his way, which is indeed love and truth.
If we think God just picked us as his favorites, we are wrong. God gave Lucifer a place of great honor, but when he betrayed the Lord, he was cast out. In the same way God shows us favor. If we take this favor and use it on our own advantage, we also fall under the same condemnation. What God wants of us is that we learn of him and become like him.
For Christians that means dying and having Christ live in you.
Robbie
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No... we're saved by knowing Someone... His name is Jesus... so don't tell me what I'm saying... I know what I'm saying and Who I'm knowing... He is my salvation... 
Christ died for everyone... if we receive Him.. He becomes our salvation... if we we refuse Him... we refuse salvation...
Nothing causes someone to refuse Him more than trusting in their own self righteousness... which was one of the key characteristics of the Pharisees who refused Him... which is the same characteristic you share... :lol:
Your pastor doesn't know what he's talking about Prentis... ;)
Christ died for everyone... if we receive Him.. He becomes our salvation... if we we refuse Him... we refuse salvation...
Nothing causes someone to refuse Him more than trusting in their own self righteousness... which was one of the key characteristics of the Pharisees who refused Him... which is the same characteristic you share... :lol:
Your pastor doesn't know what he's talking about Prentis... ;)
aspen
“"The harvest is plentiful but the workers are few
I don't have a 'pastor' Robbie ;)
He receives us, not the other way around.
To follow Christ requires to leave everything behind. This life must be dead, that he might live in us. :)
He receives us, not the other way around.
To follow Christ requires to leave everything behind. This life must be dead, that he might live in us. :)
Robbie
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You say this life must be dead so He can live... and then you go on to make it all about how you live... haha... you can't even see how hypocritical and contradicting that is because you're blinded by your ego and pride.
You say you must die... then you say it's all about what you do.
Like I said... you preach something that you haven't even lived up to yourself...
Why would I listen to you tell me I need to live up to something that you haven't lived up to yourself.
The Pharisees were trying to preach the same nonsense back in the day... and yeah... that's the same leaven you're spreading... even denying the Lord.
You say you must die... then you say it's all about what you do.
Like I said... you preach something that you haven't even lived up to yourself...
Why would I listen to you tell me I need to live up to something that you haven't lived up to yourself.
The Pharisees were trying to preach the same nonsense back in the day... and yeah... that's the same leaven you're spreading... even denying the Lord.
aspen
“"The harvest is plentiful but the workers are few
Throwing off the old man or the ego or the false self is what we are called to do. God only knows are true self.
Robbie
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You to Aspen... preaching to others to live up to something you aren't living up to yourself... even to the point where you freaked out when someone brought light what you were living like...
Convincing a bunch of people that you're better than you are isn't the righteousness of Christ... haha
Convincing a bunch of people that you're better than you are isn't the righteousness of Christ... haha
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