Nazis, foreshadowing the Christian Holocaust, by the Antichrist.
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The Reformation was above all a spiritual battle.
Quote any one of Luther's 95 theses which was political in nature.
I don’t look upon scripture in that way, the Lord’s Prayer is just as important as revelation and insight. One is about us communicating the other is about the Lord communicating with us.
Both are equally relevant and valuable
And how many more will our Lord Jesus send into everlasting damnation, into brimstone?
And how many more will our Lord send into the lake of fire?
Where there shall be wailing and grinding of teeth.
I don’t see a hierarchy as such. In the kingdom we are all equal before God, and I do not see hierarchy in scripture. Jesus is the head of the Church, everyone else within that kingdom Amy have different roles to play, different gifts ect, but they are still equal.
Matthew 5:19
Whosoever therefore shall break one of these least commandments, and shall teach men so, shall be called least in the kingdom of heaven: but whosoever shall do and teach them, he shall be called great in the kingdom of heaven.
That’s a good point James……
Although it doesn’t alter the way I view scripture and I certainly don’t weigh myself up against other Christians. Hierarchy , to me, means other lording it over others and I certainly don’t believe it is that way in the Kingdom.
That's good.
My point is that the Church has instructed us to hope, in the Our Father, chiefly.
By hope we are saved.
What is hope?
Hope is a virtue given from God above, whereby we look for the goodness of our salvation and everlasting life with a sure trust.
Whereof my we learn the right manner and way to trust and ask necessaries of God?
Of our Pater Noster, which our Lord & master with his own mouth, has taught and appointed us to learn: wherein be seven petitions, as here follows (Matth. 6).
1. Our Father which art in heaven, hallowed be thy name.
2. Thy Kingdom come.
3. Thy will be done in earth, as it is in heaven.
4. Give us this day our daily bread.
5. And forgive us our trespasses, as we forgive them that trespass against us.
6. And lead us not into temptation.
7. But deliver us from evil. Amen.
What is the sum of the four first petitions?
By the first petition we desire that the honour and glory of the Divine Majesty may be reverenced & hallowed among us.
By the second we desire our own felicity.
By the third petition we desire due obedience to God.
By the fourth, necessary sustentation of our bodies and souls.
What is the sum of the other three petitions?
The other three petitions contain the evil things and miseries, that we ought to put away with prayer, as sins, which shut up the Kingdom of heaven from us. And temptations, which draw us from God to sin. And calamities both of this life, & the life to come, except we be helped by a Divine grace. So our Pater noster teaches us both to ask good things, and to put away evil things by prayer.
That would be your "homework assignment". And the root word "antichrist" should be connected to other names and titles of "the Antichrist". The Greek word antichristos means both (a) opposed to and (b)counterfeiting and replacing the true Christ.
Ronald D Milam
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Hitler may be one of MANY "forerunners" but he is not the MAIN FORERUNNER, Antiochus Epiphanes was the main forerunner, that is why he is shown in Dan. 11:21-34, and the Anti-Christ is shown from Dan. 11:36-45.
This is NOT POSSIBLE, Dan. 8:9 mandates that he has to be born in Greece, LOOK at where he Conquers from, TOWARDS the East and TOWARDS the South, and TOWARDS Israel. The TOWARDS Israel, lets us know this mean conquering. Thus God gave us a simple four way box between four generals, and then he tells he where the Anti-Christ Conquers from, the Northwest corridor of this kingdom. Out of the Four Generals kingdoms who is in the Northwest? Macedonia, or Cassander (Greece). Then in Rev. 7:7-8 he must also arise out of the Fourth Beast (Europe) and thus the E.U. is that kingdom, AND...........Cassander (Greece) is in the European Union, thus he has to come out of BOTH Kingdoms to qualify, he is not Jewish.
The False Prophet will indeed be a Jewish High Priest after the order of Jason (real name Yeshua). He bribed Antiochus in order to be name the High Priest, having his Pious High Priest brother Onias III killed. He then welcomed Antiochus into the temple of God to make a sacrifice unto Zeus on God's altar (an Abomination). He then mandated that all Jews become Hellenized (betray the real God and become Greek like men worshiping Zeus who is really just Baal.) This led to the infamous Maccabean Revolt. In Revelation 13 we see the 2nd Beast comes out of the EARTH/Land (Israel) and the Anti-Christ Beast comes out of the Sea (like the other Gentile Beasts did).
No, the Anti-Christ makes an AGREEMENT with Israel and THE MANY (many Nations in the Mediterranean Sea Region) and that is for 7 Years, he thus rules for at least 7 Years as the European Union President, the 10 (10 means COMPLETION so 27 nations = 10) give their power unto the Beast (this simply means the E.U. Representatives ELECT HIM, he doesn't conquer Europe per se) and only in the middle of the week does he go forth "Conquering", thus his 42 months rule is referring only unto his rule as THE BEAST over Israel and THE MANY. (As seen in Dan. 11:40-43). Where we see he conquers Israel, and MANY COUNTRIES, including all of North Africa. But notice what he can not conquer !! Edom, Moab and Ammon OR...The Petra/Bozrah area of Central and Southern Jordan's mountainous area where the Jews who repent flee unto for 1260 days.
So, only his rule as THE BEAST lasts for 42 months, we must understand that. And by the way, after he Conquers Israel and THE MANY here is what the E.U. will look like on a map.
NOW LOOK AT THE OLD ROMAN EMPIRE ON A MAP BELOW:
Notice how both Kingdoms cover every square inch of the Mediterranean Sea Coastline? This why it is said in Dan. 7:7-8 that the Last Beast (Anti-Christ) ARISES amongst the 10 (Complete Europe) who reemerged as a great power in the end times. And alas, he looks exactly like his PAPA.
This never happens, Christ means Messiah, no Gentile king is going to says he's a Jewish Messianic figure. This misconception comes from John 5:43, which was Jesus speaking about the Pharisees of his time, who REJECTED him but ACCEPTED others (in 70 AD) who came in their own name. You see, the Jewish leaders saw the Messiah as a coming Political Leader who would save them from the Fourth Beast, they knew Rome was the Fourth Beast, so from like 67 AD - 70 AD they were trying as best they could to put forth men who fit this description as the Conquering King, not realizing he first had to come as the Suffering Servant.
So, people, in error, take this passage and run with it. Now, there will be one subset (Jews who Flee into the Petra/Bozrah area) of people who the False Prophet and A.C. do try to trick into thinking the Anti-Christ is this coming Messianic figure, or they try and make them think the False Prophet is, via working Miracles. But Jesus warned them about this (in Matt. 24:25-28) BEFOREHAND where they could not ever be deceived, he said lo, I come not in the Desert, nor in a Secret Store Room, but I come instead in the Eastern Skies for all to see. So, yes, they will indeed try to trick those 3-5 million Jews in hiding to come out of hiding, but Jesus' own words has forewarned them, and the Two-witnesses will be guiding them in real time also. But, unto the rest of the world. he simply says he is the real god of this world, and that men should worship mankind, hence 666 = MANKIND or Humanism, its not a mans name.
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Randy Kluth
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You're quite right. All large organized churches have, at times, corrupt and evil leaders and people. I confess, brother! You and I are probably none of those!!
In Luther's defense, though, he rejected the Separatists because they were violent anarchists in some parts. He apparently failed to see the good in some of them. I don't believe he wished to put them all to death--he simply refused to shake hands with some of the leaders.
No doubt the Catholics viewed the Protestants the same way Luther viewed anarchists, as rebellious, violent, and a danger to Christian society. But to feign interest in theological discussion with Luther only to try to trick him in order to burn him is not Christian. Luther's job was theological reform as a Catholic.
So there have been good popes and evil popes. And I'm sure there have been evil Lutheran leaders at some point in history. My purpose here is not to badmouth Catholics, but only to point out the need for reform in all eras, and also to interpret biblical prophecy as it implicates inevitable Christian deterioration and our need to be wary of it.
I love and support all true Christians within the Catholic Church. I even played a service on keyboards with a Catholic friend of mine--I'm not that good, but enjoyed it.
All Christian groups have a constant need for reform, because ultimately Christian society always slides downhill with time and inclusion of negative elements. As Israel was God's People and became Not God's People, so all Christian nations go through the same negative process. We need to stay in prayer, remain awake, and encourage one another to stay true to Christ.
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John 20:
[7] And the napkin, that was about his head, not lying with the linen clothes, but wrapped together in a place by itself.
Timtofly
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The beast out of the pit is Satan. Satan is your AC? Or is there a dead human coming out of the pit from the past?
Yet none of that can happen without contradicting Scripture.
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