The Insanity of the "right" to have guns!

[Ziggy]

Yes, I am a liberal -- and proud of it! It's obvious that you don't understand freedom or democracy.

Your already a slave, that's why you don't understand the difference.

 

[Naomanos]

I'm sure your a lot more financially better off today than you was 2 years ago too right?
Got your electric car and your solar panels.
Do you live in the DC bubble with the rest of the clowns with their heads up their arse?

Actually, I am, because I got a better job. I don't have an electric car or solar panels nor do I live in DC, nor am I a clown. Name-calling is not needed.

I live in the real world.

As do I.

How's the stock market doing today by the way?

Don't know and don't care. I don't have stocks. Also, the stock market is not a measure of just how well we're doing financially.

This is ok right?

If people allow their kids to go to a drag show, that is on them, not me. It is their choice.

 

[Jim B]

I live in a border state as well. I live in Maine and we border Canada.
What's your point?

My point is that stupid people make stupid claims about an open border. That is total nonsense.

 

[Jim B]

Your already a slave, that's why you don't understand the difference.

Oh brilliant! Are you going to be in fifth grade next year? You sound childish!

 

[Grailhunter]

Between you and Bobby Jo, there sure are an awful lot of predictions happening and so far I have yet to see any come true. So you'll have to excuse me if I don't believe you on this one too. I mean, after all, I was vaccinated, and yet I am still here, even though it was Bobby Jo who claimed that the vaccinated will all be dead by May. There is also the issue of Bobby Jo stating that the end of the tribulation will be in 5 months, maybe four months now. The tribulation hasn't even started.

I just cannot take either of you seriously.

If by some chance it does happen, I will deal with it as I deal with everything else. At the time that it happens. I am not going to worry myself about things that could happen. I did that for most of my life and it does nothing.

Well ya know....Trump predicted that if Biden was elected things would nearly immediately go south....ding ding.
And he had specific items that he predicted.....how is your price at the pump? Store shelves.....economy....how is crime going in your area? Foreign invasion at the borders.....Inflation....Our enemies testing our resolve because they know Biden is a coward.....

 

[Ziggy]

If people allow their kids to go to a drag show, that is on them, not me. It is their choice.

This is society. This is your community.
These kids don't have voice.
They have no choice.
Have all the adults left the world?
I didn't mean to insinuate you was a clown, but that you lived in clown world where morals and principles have left the building.
As far as the market goes, If we go into a recession what does that mean for the average joe, or below average joe?
I was born in 65, I don't remember the 70's and the Carter era. I'm more 80's when the banks crashed, and 2008 when the housing buble popped.
In 2008 my ex and I lost our Kenworth Truck. That was our livlihood, trucking.
We lived in Florida and owned a lot. The taxes were cheap so we managed to scrimp by until we could sign on with J.B Hunt, and eventually save enough for another truck. It wasn't easy. But we didn't go into a recession.
I'm not sure what that is going to look like. I just know if the cost of fuel rises or even stays where it is right now, I can't afford to heat my mobile home. I use propane and the last fill in April cost almost $800. I only get $530 a month for SSI.
Anywho.. here some info on the market, forcast, and how it effects everyday people.
Whether you own stock or not, corporations will always save their own first, even if they have to raise prices to do it.
Bread lines anyone?
Bernie thinks that's a good idea.

 

[Ziggy]

Oh brilliant! Are you going to be in fifth grade next year? You sound childish!

Cry more.

 

[Jim B]

This is society. This is your community.
These kids don't have voice.
They have no choice.
Have all the adults left the world?
I didn't mean to insinuate you was a clown, but that you lived in clown world where morals and principles have left the building.
As far as the market goes, If we go into a recession what does that mean for the average joe, or below average joe?
I was born in 65, I don't remember the 70's and the Carter era. I'm more 80's when the banks crashed, and 2008 when the housing buble popped.
In 2008 my ex and I lost our Kenworth Truck. That was our livlihood, trucking.
We lived in Florida and owned a lot. The taxes were cheap so we managed to scrimp by until we could sign on with J.B Hunt, and eventually save enough for another truck. It wasn't easy. But we didn't go into a recession.
I'm not sure what that is going to look like. I just know if the cost of fuel rises or even stays where it is right now, I can't afford to heat my mobile home. I use propane and the last fill in April cost almost $800. I only get $530 a month for SSI.
Anywho.. here some info on the market, forcast, and how it effects everyday people.
Whether you own stock or not, corporations will always save their own first, even if they have to raise prices to do it.
Bread lines anyone?
Bernie thinks that's a good idea.

I thought that your post, for once, was reasonable ... until the last line. The you reverted back to your usual, idiotic self. Too bad!

 

[Naomanos]

Well ya know....Trump predicted that if Biden was elected things would nearly immediately go south....ding ding.
And he had specific items that he predicted.....how is your price at the pump? Store shelves.....economy....how is crime going in your area? Foreign invasion at the borders.....Inflation....Our enemies testing our resolve because they know Biden is a coward.....

Gas prices are not on the president. Neither is inflation. It was going to happen because we're coming out of a pandemic. So of course Trump[ predicted something that was pretty much a guarantee to happen. I called it when we went into the pandemic. Store shelves are from supply issues, not something Biden has control over. Our economy is doing great! The numbers are there to show that our economy is fine... for now. We may be headed for a recession, but again, with oil/gas prices where they are, that's to be expected. Crime in my area is neither up nor down. It is about the same. As JimB said, there are no open borders. I have friends in border states like Texas and they say that it isn't as bad as the right wants you to believe.

 

[Lifelong_sinner]

Why is it that whenever a democrat is president, they never get blamed for anything bad happening. Yet when a republican is president, they get blamed for everything that happens. Oh yea, double standard.

 

[Naomanos]

This is society. This is your community.

You are right, but again, I have no say in what other parents do.

These kids don't have voice.

Since when have kids ever had a real voice in what their parents do? I remember growing up in the 70's and 80's. What my mom said, went. Where she went, I went. I didn't have a choice till I was of an age to stay on my own.

I didn't mean to insinuate you was a clown, but that you lived in clown world where morals and principles have left the building.

Thank you for clarifying! Just because you don't agree with how those parents are raising their children doesn't mean that morals and principles have left the building. Society changes and this is part of that change.

I'm not sure what that is going to look like. I just know if the cost of fuel rises or even stays where it is right now, I can't afford to heat my mobile home.

I am sorry to hear that. I follow the price of oil on a daily basis so that I know where gas prices are headed. Oil is still extremely high and part of that reason is that OPEC and OPEC+ will not raise production to offset demand and demand is high. We're in the summer driving season. Demand spikes this time of year. Prices normally go up. With oil as expensive as it is, gas prices are going to be high. With that said, gas companies are making record profits and are being greedy too. Oil in I think 2008 was at like $146 a barrel. That equated to prices around the low $4 something both in NY where I was before I went to Florida. We're inching near $5.00 gallon and oil still hasn't gone over $130. These gas companies only see $$$ and don't care what it's doing to the people. We are starting to see signs of demand destruction, so I don't think oil will go too much higher.

 

[Naomanos]

Why is it that whenever a democrat is president, they never get blamed for anything bad happening. Yet when a republican is president, they get blamed for everything that happens. Oh yea, double standard.

I already said there are things that I don't agree with in regards to what this admin has done. So I am not applying a double standard and use the same standard across the board.

 

[Ziggy]

Oh brilliant! Are you going to be in fifth grade next year? You sound childish!

At least I know the difference between a man and a woman.
That makes me SMARTER than a Supreme Court Justice.
And I don't even need a degree in biology for that one.

 

[Jim B]

Why is it that whenever a democrat is president, they never get blamed for anything bad happening. Yet when a republican is president, they get blamed for everything that happens. Oh yea, double standard.

Total nonsense!

 

[Ziggy]

You are right, but again, I have no say in what other parents do.



Since when have kids ever had a real voice in what their parents do? I remember growing up in the 70's and 80's. What my mom said, went. Where she went, I went. I didn't have a choice till I was of an age to stay on my own.



Thank you for clarifying! Just because you don't agree with how those parents are raising their children doesn't mean that morals and principles have left the building. Society changes and this is part of that change.



I am sorry to hear that. I follow the price of oil on a daily basis so that I know where gas prices are headed. Oil is still extremely high and part of that reason is that OPEC and OPEC+ will not raise production to offset demand and demand is high. We're in the summer driving season. Demand spikes this time of year. Prices normally go up. With oil as expensive as it is, gas prices are going to be high. With that said, gas companies are making record profits and are being greedy too. Oil in I think 2008 was at like $146 a barrel. That equated to prices around the low $4 something both in NY where I was before I went to Florida. We're inching near $5.00 gallon and oil still hasn't gone over $130. These gas companies only see $$$ and don't care what it's doing to the people. We are starting to see signs of demand destruction, so I don't think oil will go too much higher.

So if you believe you have no say in what or how other parents raise their children, then why would one believe they have the right to tell another ADULT they have no right to own a gun?
Kids grow up with bad parental supervision and then abuse the legal rights of owning a gun.
It begins with the parents.
And if you say you have no say when it comes to children who have no say for themselves,
then no one has a say when it comes to adults who have a say for themselves.

Don't work both ways.
If your going to worry about society and who owns guns, then you have to worry about how children are being raised today.
That's where it begins.

 

[Naomanos]

So if you believe you have no say in what or how other parents raise their children, then why would one believe they have the right to tell another ADULT they have no right to own a gun?

And yet, I never said that nobody can own a gun. Is my opinion that no one outside of the military or law enforcement needs an AR-15. There is a huge difference between what you have said and what I am saying.

Kids grow up with bad parental supervision and then abuse the legal rights of owning a gun.

I can agree with that. It is still my opinion that the general public doesn't need an AR-15 to protect themselves. I do still get to have an opinion, do I not?

You and everyone else here have a right to their opinions, just as I have a right to mine. I have stated my opinions and then I essentially get told that I am not allowed to have that opinion. I don't think I have said that no one can have their opinions.

This is definitely part of the problem in the world today. It may not seem like it, but this is part of the reason why there is such a divide in this country today. No one is allowed to have their own opinions.

 

[Ziggy]

You are right, but again, I have no say in what other parents do.



Since when have kids ever had a real voice in what their parents do? I remember growing up in the 70's and 80's. What my mom said, went. Where she went, I went. I didn't have a choice till I was of an age to stay on my own.



Thank you for clarifying! Just because you don't agree with how those parents are raising their children doesn't mean that morals and principles have left the building. Society changes and this is part of that change.



I am sorry to hear that. I follow the price of oil on a daily basis so that I know where gas prices are headed. Oil is still extremely high and part of that reason is that OPEC and OPEC+ will not raise production to offset demand and demand is high. We're in the summer driving season. Demand spikes this time of year. Prices normally go up. With oil as expensive as it is, gas prices are going to be high. With that said, gas companies are making record profits and are being greedy too. Oil in I think 2008 was at like $146 a barrel. That equated to prices around the low $4 something both in NY where I was before I went to Florida. We're inching near $5.00 gallon and oil still hasn't gone over $130. These gas companies only see $$$ and don't care what it's doing to the people. We are starting to see signs of demand destruction, so I don't think oil will go too much higher.

So then there is the speculation thing.
I'm not claiming I know anything about economics. I'm learning daily.
But from what I understand on this side of the aisle, is that the day Biden got in office he did exactly what he promised to do and shut down the keystone pipeline, regardless if it was already pumping oil or not, the prospects of it going online was shut down.
He stopped giving new contracts for both offshore drilling and drilling on Federal lands.
There's a lot of things he stopped when it comes to the US supplying it's own oil.

It's the speculators who are looking towards the future that are making the price decisions.
Why would you lower costs if you know tomorrow your going out of business?
It's not like the 5 and dime where the commodity of goods can be baught at walmart or target when woolworth's goes out of business.
And why Venezuala, Iran, Saudi Arabia.. when we can produce our own cleaner UNTIL we have those things we need in place for the change over to whatever this new green deal is?
Because they believe FORCING people into this is better than having people prepare for it.
That is Tyranny and coersion.
Many people are going to suffer this winter.
You think covid was bad?
They can't afford to send out stimulus checks this time.

All I'm saying is think ahead, be prepared for the worst and hope and pray for the best.
I'm not worried about me. I lived in a truck for 10 years over the road trucking.
Even when the A/C or the heater didn't work, the engine broke down, side of the road with no porta potties.
I been there and done that.
I can live on peanutbutter crackers and water. I done that too.
I'm worried about the elderly, the people getting evicted because their rents go up, kids on the street that never knew hungry.
It's not about me, it'a about our neighbors.

Hugs

 

[Grailhunter]

Gas prices are not on the president. Neither is inflation. It was going to happen because we're coming out of a pandemic. So of course Trump[ predicted something that was pretty much a guarantee to happen. I called it when we went into the pandemic. Store shelves are from supply issues, not something Biden has control over. Our economy is doing great! The numbers are there to show that our economy is fine... for now. We may be headed for a recession, but again, with oil/gas prices where they are, that's to be expected. Crime in my area is neither up nor down. It is about the same. As JimB said, there are no open borders. I have friends in border states like Texas and they say that it isn't as bad as the right wants you to believe.

That is fine if you want to live in a dream world that is fine...
Oh boo hoo is isn't my fault....You did not have to hear speech after speech from Trump saying it is not my fault!..Trump made it right, even in middle of Covid.
And if JimB is your guru, not much hope for you.

 

[Naomanos]

He stopped giving new contracts for both offshore drilling and drilling on Federal lands.

Yet, there are still over 9k drilling leases that are sitting there collecting dust that Biden has allowed.

Why aren't the companies drilling? I'm not saying it is all the company's fault, there is a lot of red tape with endangered species and such, but they are there.

He stopped giving new contracts for both offshore drilling and drilling on Federal lands.

That was temporary and has been rescinded from what my research has shown.

Here, this may be an interesting read. Admittedly, I haven't read it all: Biden Administration to Restart Oil, Gas Leasing on Public Lands - Center for Biological Diversity

 

[Ziggy]

And yet, I never said that nobody can own a gun. Is my opinion that no one outside of the military or law enforcement needs an AR-15. There is a huge difference between what you have said and what I am saying.



I can agree with that. It is still my opinion that the general public doesn't need an AR-15 to protect themselves. I do still get to have an opinion, do I not?

You and everyone else here have a right to their opinions, just as I have a right to mine. I have stated my opinions and then I essentially get told that I am not allowed to have that opinion. I don't think I have said that no one can have their opinions.

This is definitely part of the problem in the world today. It may not seem like it, but this is part of the reason why there is such a divide in this country today. No one is allowed to have their own opinions.

So what I understand between a semi-automatic gun and an automatic is, with one you have to keep pulling the trigger (semi) and the other keeps firing as long as your holding the trigger down (auto)
What's the difference if you have a quick trigger finger?

And if they passed a law that AR-15 could no longer be sold, do you believe kids and criminals could not get access to them the same way it's against the law to sell and purchase fentynal?

And if that criminal comes after you with an AR-15 shouldn't you have the right to defend yourself with at least the same weapon they have?
Nothing is going to fix this until we start getting tough on crime.
First fix the crime rates and then maybe we won't feel we need AR-15's to defend ourselves.

First remove the weapons from the criminals, then maybe we can talk about a compromise.
Otherwise it just doesn't make sense.

Frankly I don't trust government. They proved themselves unworthy of the people during the plandemic.
So much emtional and social, economic and financial damage.
Never should of happened. We're better than that.
Those of us who live in less congested areas (I basically live in the woods) compared to those who had to live in the cities, it wasn't quite so stressful. The science was a great big pharma scam and Fauci led it.
They want us to live in fear so they can control us.

It's been that way since the beginning of time. Today isn't any different.
Question is: Have we learned anything from history and will we keep making the same mistakes?