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Michiah-Imla
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Problem.
Peter believed that Jesus was the Christ, the Son of God.
But the gospel had not been in effect yet so it was impossible to be converted!
So he was not a believer in the gospel. Heck, at first he didn’t even believe that he rose again!
* By What they SAY, what “they” call themselves.
(Christian, Believer, non-Believer, Not sure, agnostic, atheists, follower,
Converted.)
I simply believe their own LIMITS they claim, or their own Converted assuredness they claim.
* By more of What they SAY, By what Scriptures they SAY applies to “THEM”.
* Applies Scriptures for a Converted believer, buttresses what they call themselves.
* Applies Scriptures for an UN-Converted believer, reveals they are NOT Converted.
No, not carte’ blanch.
* The Converted Believer HAS CONFESSED true Heartful Belief to the Lord God.
* A believer who has not has not made a true Heartful Belief CONFESSION to the Lord God, is NOT CONVERTED.
Really? A converted man WITH THE POWER OF GOD “IN” him, IS stronger than that POWER OF GOD “IN” him and can fall away?
Really? What taught you, The power of a man IS greater than the POWER of God IN a man?
Because Jesus did.
* Naturally Born = Against God = Sin = Curious = Desire to know about God = Hears = Receives measures of Faith = Believing = Continues Hearing = Faith increases = Belief increases = Receives Blessings for Hearing = Rejects what they Hear =
OR
Believes what they Hear = Advocate = Repents = Forgiven = Heartful Confessed Belief = Saved, Born Again = Converted = IN Christ = Christ IN the man = With God Forever = God WITH him Forever.
OR
* Naturally Born = Against God = Sin = Curious = Desire to know about God = Hears = Receives measures of Faith = Believing = Hearing Continually = Hope he keeps believing (endures) = God WITH him = Sins = God WITHOUT him = Advocate = Forgiven = God WITH him = Sins = Advocate = Forgiven = repeats = God WITH, God WITHOUT =
(Might continue, Might be persuaded to reject believing);
OR
Hearing sporadically = Hearing Believes = God WITH him= Not Hearing = Doubts = Sins = Advocate = Forgiven = repeats.
(Persuaded to reject believing) = denies = GOD WITHOUT him.
* A Believer is a man who Has FAITH, but is NOT COMMITTED in FAITH-FULLNESS.
* A Believer is a man (who is the Weakest among evil spirits, the Weakest among high positioned wicked men)...
* A Believer is a man who can BE Convinced BY evil spirits OR conned, tricked, forced by wicked men to be silent about Gods Word, to ignore Gods Word, to lend their ear, belief, trust in men, to keep them safe, to to give them false hope, freebies, peace, to save them, to ignore God. (And beginning with children becomes the most viable weakest target.)
* A Believer NOT COMMITTED (CONVERTED), IS the Weakest link Against evil powers and powers of high positioned wicked men.
* WARNINGS of higher powers.
(Evil spirits, Power sitting men; kings, nations leaders, parents, teachers, advocates...removing God from consideration)
* WARNINGS to endure keep believing.
* WARNINGS of enduring by ones own strength, Against evil powers, Wicked men, VERY difficult TO KEEP from Falling Away From Belief.
* Teaching Assuredness to NEVER FALL AWAY, TO ALWAYS HAVE God WITH THEM, TO ALWAYS BE WITH GOD;
* IS EXPRESSLY By, Through, Of...Gods Spirit BEING “IN” them, and they “IN” Gods Spirit....ie, Forgiven, Saved, Born Again, =
Converted ONCE and FOREVER.
Because Jesus did.
No problem.
WHEN? The moment God gave Simon Barjona the Truth? Uh...
In context.
* Jesus asked His disciples who men thought Jesus was.
The Disciples answered what they heard other men saying.
* Jesus asked His disciples who THEY thought Jesus was.
They DID NOT know the Answer.
* THEN, Simon Barjona was TOLD the Answer...by God.
* THEN, Simon Peter Repeated what God TOLD him.
* THEN Jesus, told Simon Barjona he was Blessed for hearing the answer from God, and called him PETER.
(The Surname, Jesus had given Simon Barjona...ie Simon Peter).
THEY were ALL TOLD the TRUE ANSWER...
Knowing the Truth is one thing.
Believing the Truth is another thing.
Trusting the Truth is another thing.
Committing to the Truth is another thing.
Did they ALL know the TRUTH THEN? Yes
Did they ALL believe the TRUTH THEN? No.
Did they ALL trust the TRUTH THEN? No.
Did they ALL commit to the TRUTH THEN? No.
Ofcourse they were not CONVERTED THEN.
* THE LESSON is revealing the ORDER and WAY...of HOW TO GET to end result!
EXACTLY! An ORDER and WAY...taught first By Jesus’ chosen Disciples BEING the EXAMPLE.....which applies the same for EVERY man...
You, simply say...eh, if you believe you are converted...
That is NOT Jesus’ order and way.
The Disciples believed, then denied, then believed, then doubted, then believed then wondered....and you are preaching eh...belief means converted.
No. Heartful Confession of Belief is how one becomes Converted.
That’s a curious thing to say...
Is there a “difference between a “true follower” and a “false follower”?
How do you tell the difference?
Michiah-Imla
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We have a choice:
“Let not sin therefore reign in your mortal body, that ye should obey it in the lusts thereof.” (Romans 6:12)
It’s possible to let sin control you!
What, you have a special revelation that even the Apostle Paul did not have?!
I don’t think so!
Quote the passage.
Michiah-Imla
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Look, you are not God.
Your concern should be in being humble and obeying the warnings. Not walking in pride thinking the warnings in scripture do not apply to you!
“He hath shewed thee, O man, what is good; and what doth the LORD require of thee, but to do justly, and to love mercy, and to walk humbly with thy God?” (Micah 6:8)
“Wherefore let him that thinketh he standeth take heed lest he fall.” (1 Corinthians 10:12)
Sure, God is all powerful. He can also let you be tempted to see what YOU will do without his preventative power at work.
“Howbeit in the business of the ambassadors of the princes of Babylon, who sent unto him to enquire of the wonder that was done in the land, God left [Hezekiah], to try him, that he might know all that was in his heart.” (2 Chronicles 32:31)
Don’t keep tempting God, or else you will be humbled or worse.
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Uh huh we do have a Choice....Submit to Conversion OR NOT.
Sure...YOUR CHOICE...to think yourself powerful enough.
Surely NOT....”IF” you are WILLING TO CHOOSE, TO TRUST GOD IN you is powerful enough to KEEP you FROM SINNING.!
Paul NOT HAVING “a special revelation” IS YOUR CLAIM...Not mine.
Me NOT having “a special revelation “ IS YOUR CLAIM...Not mine.
Here you go....DECEPTION and GASLIGHTING...
YOU just made a claim about Paul....YOUR WORDS.
THEN YOU “pretend” by implication....I AM accountable for WHAT YOU SAID.
THEN ON YOUR “FALSE PRETENSE” now disagree with what YOU Falsely IMPLIED, FOR Me.
You just showed how you TURN to DECEPTION AND GASLIGHTING...
GASLIGHTER...
The title of this THREAD is:
OSAS...Love it ... or Hate it.
Man up and SPEAK FOR YOURSELF!
Or go back to @robert derrick THREAD where he “SPEAKS for others”, then “DISAGREES with what he has SAID for others” and then “PRAISES himself FOR DISAGREEING WITH himself”...Gaslighter!
You like playing that lowdown underhanded psychobabble Game?
You think yourself so skilled at cunning deceit, it goes unnoticed?
It doesn’t.
But it does expressly reveal your Fruits...
Rotten Fruit is not Tempting to me!
Michiah-Imla
Well-Known Member
Learn the holy scriptures.
“Submit yourselves therefore to God. Resist the devil, and he will flee from you.” (James 4:7)
What doctrine got you talking crazy foolishness?
You just showed how projection works.
I have no idea what your talking about. I cannot follow your crazy unbiblical rantings.
Already did.
Why don’t you?
Already did.
Why don’t you?
Eh...that which you call crazy foolish talking, is Jesus’ Doctrine.
John 15:
[5] I am the vine, ye are the branches: He that abideth in me, and I in him, the same bringeth forth much fruit: for (Because) without me ye can do nothing.
Matt 15:
[26] But Jesus beheld them, and said unto them, With men this is impossible; but with God all things are possible.
Col 3:
[3] For ye are dead, and
[4] When Christ, who is
Yep you lie for me then back pat yourself.
I am Converted...IN Christ. Christ IN me.
Spiritual Talk makes no sense to you..it ISN”T SUPPOSED TO, unless you are QUICKENED spiritually!
You try to figure out Spiritual things with a Carnal Mind....FAIL!
Your bandwagon of thinking Carnally and then speaking Carnally and being in agreement with other Carnal thinkers and speakers....
OF COURSE makes no sense to you, when someone is SPEAKING of Spiritual things.
Carnal minded thoughts regarding Spiritual things is of ZERO interest to me....That ship sailed LONG AGO.
Michiah-Imla
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The scriptures you quoted are all conditional.
In fact you quoted Colossians chapter 3 which hinges on Colossians 1:23!
What vain show you’re putting on here.
Who’s proud here?
@Taken who says warning scriptures do not apply to him, or those who walk in the fear of God and observe the warning passages?
Sober up man!
In fact you quoted Colossians chapter 3 which hinges on Colossians 1:23!
What vain show you’re putting on here.
Who’s proud here?
@Taken who says warning scriptures do not apply to him, or those who walk in the fear of God and observe the warning passages?
Sober up man!
Eyes read Conditional, DEAF EARS fail to Hear, Know, Comprehend WHEN Condition is Fulfilled!
[QUOTE What vain show you’re putting on here.
Who’s proud here?
@Taken who says warning scriptures do not apply to him, or those who walk in the fear of God and observe the warning passages?
Sober up man![/QUOTE]
AGAIN, you focus on WARNING, THAT have ZERO application to a man WHOM the POWER of God IS “IN”!
See What YOU DO?
I DO.
YOU AGAIN GASLIGHT!
YOU ATTEMPT TO MAKE MY Election to Choose God, MY Confidence to Trust God....as VAIN and PRIDEFUL...
AGAIN YOU STAND FOR NOTHING.
TOO BAD for you, what YOU SAY is only accounted to YOU...
I am NOT ashamed of having Chosen the Lord God!
I am NOT ashamed to be IN STANDING with the Lord God!
I am NOT ashamed to SPEAK what the Lord God has GIVEN ME!
I am NOT ashamed to SHOUT it OUT, my Lord God IS WITH ME FOREVER!
And are YOU PRIDEFUL for standing FOR nothing, but VAIN ONLY Standing AGAINST others?
Look you are a Gaslighter.
No one claimed to be God for you to even say such a thing!
I humble myself before God WHO IS Worthy!
Obey warnings TO KEEP myself STRONG WITHOUT God...LOL
Did you NOT read or notice OT men TRYING to be STRONG WITHOUT GOD? They FAILED!
Did you NOT read or notice JESUS’ ASSURED OFFERING TO BE STRONG AND NEVER FAIL, WITH GODS POWER “IN” A MAN?
Are you so Carnally minded, you FAIL to see, A man WHO CAN NEVER FAIL, does not require warnings to NOT FAIL?
You want to wag your tongue calling me Prideful...that’s more of your Carnal Minded Thinking That IS irrelevant in a Spiritual Conversation.
I don’t have to call you names, to pretend that juvenile tactic MAKES the Lord Gods Works and Power IN me, something to BE SILENT of or ASHAMED of....
Why you think the Lord God WANTS His Great Works IN a man kept some big Secret and Not to be spoken of?....SAYS MUCH ABOUT YOU.
Yep, and I do walk humbly with MY GOD....and back at you..
YOU are NOT MY God!
Yep, “past thinking”....”already Committed”
Gal 3:
[1] Stand fast therefore in the liberty wherewith Christ hath made us free, and be not entangled again with the yoke of bondage.
That is true for a man that is WITH God, but NOT IN God.
(But I expect that is confusing to your carnal mind, not knowing the difference between “WITH” and “IN”!
Confidant, Trust, Gods Spirit IN me, is like you saying God TEMPTS Himself.
Are you UNINFORMED? God was WITH men in the OT. Did you completely miss the NT and Gods Offering to be “IN” men?
Really? You are WARNING a person WHO Gods Spirit IS IN...to NOT TEMPT GOD?
Nothing whatsoever have I said that is TEMPTING God!
You just can’t help yourself...
No standing of your own.
No commitment of your own.
Hell fire bent Against people WHOM the Lord Gods Spirit IS “IN” them.
Go play in your own sandbox, polish your daggers, sharpen your tongue, get thee behind me....and heap your anti-Christ rhetoric amongst your brethren...You bore me.
Michiah-Imla
Well-Known Member
It is impossible for you to fall. Sounds like a “God” complex to me…
I did not say without God. I know you are used to adding words to scripture but try not to add them to men.
Obey warnings with God. But you don’t have to because your like a god. Warnings aren’t for @Taken because he above everyone.
They sinned. With or without God makes no difference except in your weird head.
Oh yes. The great @Taken can never fall. He’s invincible!
So you don’t think you stand, you know you stand! No pride there, no not at all…
Am I gaslighting yet?
Wasn’t God’s Spirit in King Saul Mr. smarty pants?
“But the Spirit of the LORD departed from Saul, and an evil spirit from the LORD troubled him.” (1 Samuel 16:14)
Boy, I can’t wait to hear what nonsense response you will give to this fact…
Quoting scripture and obeying them is anti-Christ rhetoric to you?!
God help you!
God help you!
Pathetic, but then it has already been established you can not help yourself thinking you are qualified to speak for others.
I forgive you, seeing how you know not better than to do as your lying father does.
Your wonderment “IF” Gods Spirit “IN” King Saul....
Not a big mystery.
Gods Spirit “WITH” a man can depart and leave that man.
Still you know not the difference between “with” and “in’...
Public education?
LOL, no, anti-Christ rhetoric is accredited to YOUR WORDS.
Michiah-Imla
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The Holy Bible is my 100% guide without leaven. That’s what I speak. I don’t know your voice, it doesn’t sound like the voices of the Saviour and his holy Apostles and Prophets. The Holy Bible is not your sole guide. You are leavened.
Open your eyes because the ditch is ahead…
I noticed.
The Bible 100% is HOW TO Stand WITH, IN and WITHOUT God.
Your Speaking shows your own Vacillating.
Your Speaking shows your Vacillating WITH and WITHOUT God.
Your Speaking shows your Hatred Against those IN God.
Problem is you search The Bible for Standings WITHOUT God and THAT is the VOICE you seek, adopt, speak.
Case in Point.
You reveal your own Conflict, saying the Bible is your 100% guide without leaven....thinking yourself clever, searching Scriptures you think negative, that you can apply to those IN Christ, which those IN Christ, you reveal is your real target of hatred.
Without SHAME I BOLDLY speak I am “IN” Christ, which means Forever “WITH” God...AND Without SHAME I BOLDLY Give ALL Credit to, God by, through, of His Grace, His Offering, His Word, His Glory, His Works.
Leavening by, through, of oneself, as you clearly have discovered IS AGAINST God....
....
Yet clearly you have NOT discovered Leavening by, through, of God IS Likened to the Kingdom of God... OOPS!
...
You busy yourself searching Scriptures desperately trying to apply inappropriate Scriptures to those IN Christ, while excusing yourself.
Scripture itself outshines you.
He that is NOT WITH God, “IS” AGAINST God. (Luke 11:23)
You make ZERO standing “WITH” God.
You Throw poison darts at those “WITH God and IN Christ”... AS IF,
That ^ is supposed to imply, YOU STAND WITH GOD...
Scripture is CLEAR, those WITH God and IN Christ WILL BE hated for their Standing. You reveal which Scriptures are your guide, and your mouth speaks Loud and Clear AGAINST those WITH God and IN Christ.
I know. By, Through, Of, the Power of God, prepared for His Kingdom.
Matt 13:
[33] Another parable spake he unto them; The kingdom of heaven is like unto leaven, which a woman took, and hid in three measures of meal, till the whole was leavened.
Michiah-Imla
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I claim what DOES APPLY to me.
You come with a forked tongue to proclaim what God HAS GIVEN ME, is a LIE.
OSAS...I love it. A beautiful marvelous Gift from God.
OSAS...Scared to say ... you hate it?
OSAS...Scared to say ... you hate the people who have it?
It’s okay to be HONEST, and just say it, rather than slither in with a pocket full of unfounded accusations.
Eternally Grateful
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from what I have witnessed, Most people who hate it hate it because they hate calvinism. and they think it is a calvinist term.
I prefer eternal security or eternal life over OSAS myself. even though technically they all means the same thing
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