OSAS....love it....hate it

[GRACE ambassador]

Some will be resurrected to shame. They are not saved.

Depends; do you mean:

1) believers, saved In The Body Of Christ, resurrected, and bad works
Judged as "losing rewards" [shame] (1 Corinthians 3:8-15)? OR:

2) UNbelievers, dead [in sin], not saved, resurrected in shame,
At The Great White Throne Judgment (Revelation 20:11-15)?

GRACE And Peace...

 

[dev553344]

Depends; do you mean:

1) believers, saved In The Body Of Christ, resurrected, and bad works
Judged as "losing rewards" [shame] (1 Corinthians 3:8-15)? OR:

2) UNbelievers, dead [in sin], not saved, resurrected in shame,
At The Great White Throne Judgment (Revelation 20:11-15)?

GRACE And Peace...

Matthew 25:31-46 doesn't specify. So I am left to conclude it applies to everyone. It mentions people on the left and right of Jesus.

 

[Taken]

The ones who claim the most holiness seem to also be prone to lashing out and anger. Pride is a terrible thing! It hurts the holder horribly!

Much love!

It is very odd. Ask a person AGAINST OSAS, IF they are saved, If yes, then How many times they were saved...uh ONCE...but, but, but....
It’s not permanent, BECAUSE, they could lose it.

The ONLY ones that can LOSE their Salvation is the one who has not Received it! It is a LOSS by default, for NOT receiving it.

Every individual is Offered Salvation...PERIOD.
Jesus said, His Offering was For the Whole world.
God Revealed the Offering was ONLY Jesus’ Blood and Body.
God Revealed the Offering of Christ, Gods Power and Seed.

Blood for mans Forgiveness, for having Disbelief.
Body for Soul Restoration, for confessing True Heartful Belief.
Christ for Spirit Quickening, and Keeping that man WHOLLY, WHOLE,
Body, soul, spirit WITH the Lord God Forever.

Every individual is Offered Salvation...
Receiving ones Salvation....REQUIRES the RECEIVER to Willingly GIVE HIS WORD and SIGNATURE ... oops....not signature...
This is not an earthly business Agreement....of word and signature...

* God requires a man’s WORD “and” Bodily DEATH...BEFORE a man IS GIVEN Gods Gift of Salvation!

* The conundrum.... How does a man claim to have Received Salvation and Quickening....BUT did not give his word or body unto death?

* Or if he did give his word and body unto death....then when exactly did his dead body come back to life and oops, ADMIT he Lied to God?
AS IF, God is unknowing of all things, and gave his Gift to a LIAR...

 

[Enoch111]

We are saved when we are resurrected, cleansed with the blood of Christ (which happens after we die and are resurrected), brought into heaven and given eternal life. Before these things happen we are not "saved".

This is your own theology. It sounds good but it is false. On the other hand the Bible says that a sinner is justified (declared righteous, therefore saved) the moment he or she believes on the Lord Jesus Christ. And that is exactly what Paul told the Philippian jailer (Acts 16).

 

[Behold]

The "Original OSAS"< was a deception created by the devil, in Jude and Paul's day, that IS the deception that God's Grace,, when understood correctly...is "license to sin" or "licentiousness".

What you are referring to, is "Eternal Security".

Eternal Security is simply to have Eternal Life, which is to be born again by the Spirit of God, into the Spirit of God, becoming a "new Creation in Christ".
This is the "new Birth" or... AS JESUS demanded...."you must be born again".

 

[Taken]

It's about saying your saved. It is only God's authority and power to save someone.

We are saved when we are resurrected, cleansed with the blood of Christ (which happens after we die and are resurrected), brought into heaven and given eternal life. Before these things happen we are not "saved".

We are warned about the spawning of religion that appeals to the ears.

2 Timothy 4:1-4

King James Version


4 I charge thee therefore before God, and the Lord Jesus Christ, who shall judge the quick and the dead at his appearing and his kingdom;

2 Preach the word; be instant in season, out of season; reprove, rebuke, exhort with all long suffering and doctrine.

3 For the time will come when they will not endure sound doctrine; but after their own lusts shall they heap to themselves teachers, having itching ears;

4 And they shall turn away their ears from the truth, and shall be turned unto fables.

Thank you Devin.
I turned my ear to Gods Word.
Yes Gods gift of Salvation IS given a man AFTER his bodily Death.

For 4,000 years men had to ENDURE by their own power, to keep believing AND wait for physical bodily death before receiving their Salvation.

For the last 2,000 years men were given a New Better Testament....
What made this New Testament, a Better Testament for mankind?
One word......surety.

Heb 7:
[22] By so much was Jesus made a surety of a better testament.

So do men STILL have to bodily die to receive their salvation? YES.
A Bodily Death God approved...crucified with Jesus.

At no time, does Scripture teach a Body Crucified with Jesus, becomes uncrucified, so that body can come back to life and Confess, oops, I lied, and don’t want Gods Gift of Salvation.
Remember God knows all things.
A Heartful confession...fooled God...to begin with?
No. God searches a man heart...you know, that verifying thing, same as we are told to do. Verify what WE Hear.

Do you read WARNINGS of ENDURE to the end?
Keep Believing until the End of your Life?
WHO is being WARNED?
An unbeliever? No
The assured Converted? No
The guy Believing BUT NOT COMMITTED TO Giving his body crucified with Jesus? Yes.

The Lord Jesus, gathers together those IN Christ, already made whole, body, soul, spirit., Before Tribulation comes down from Heaven.
* WHO ... IN Christ 1 Thes 4:16-17
* WHY ... 1 Thes 1:10 ~ 1 Thes 5:9

Believers and unbelievers and those coming into belief DURING the different phases of the Tribulation....WILL WHAT?
Believers....becoming bodily dead for their belief..DEAD BODY & saved then.
UnBelievers...becoming bodily dead for their UNbelief & not saved.

And who gathers the Believers becoming bodily dead during the Tribulation?
* God ...Believers IN Jesus 1 Thes 4:14
* WHEN ... Rev 20:5

Huge difference between Converted and Believers.
Converted are assuredly Saved.
Believers hope they continue (endure) believing and will be Saved.

Glory to God,
Taken

 

[Behold]

AFTER his bodily Death.

Jesus would not tell you..."you must be born again" on earth if Salvation was given after you died.
The born again would not have received the "Gift of Righteousness" that has caused them to be "Made Righteous", if Salvation is given only after you die.

 

[dev553344]

This is your own theology. It sounds good but it is false. On the other hand the Bible says that a sinner is justified (declared righteous, therefore saved) the moment he or she believes on the Lord Jesus Christ. And that is exactly what Paul told the Philippian jailer (Acts 16).

Not true, saying you're saved is swearing by heaven, and we've been warned about that:

Matthew 5:34-37

King James Version


34 But I say unto you, Swear not at all; neither by heaven; for it is God's throne:

35 Nor by the earth; for it is his footstool: neither by Jerusalem; for it is the city of the great King.

36 Neither shalt thou swear by thy head, because thou canst not make one hair white or black.

37 But let your communication be, Yea, yea; Nay, nay: for whatsoever is more than these cometh of evil.

 

[Enoch111]

Not true, saying you're saved is swearing by heaven, and we've been warned about that

You are misapplying and misunderstanding what is written. The ones who are truly saved testify publicly of their salvation and are then baptized. See Romans 10.

 

[Taken]

It's about saying your saved. It is only God's authority and power to save someone.

We are saved when we are resurrected, cleansed with the blood of Christ (which happens after we die and are resurrected), brought into heaven and given eternal life. Before these things happen we are not "saved".

Did you give your body crucified with Jesus?
If so, WHEN you did that, DID nothing Happen?
Of was God FAITHFUL and TAKE your dead body and immediately PREPARE it for RESURRECTION?
(Wash, cleanse, cover, sanctify, justify....PREPARED for a DAY, “unknown to us”.
And did not Jesus inform you, ALSO your PLACE was PREPARED?)
Did you not KNOW, because your EYES did not SEE that?
Are you waiting for your EYES tp see your own DEAD body BEFORE you KNOW “IF” you are Saved?

We are warned about the spawning of religion that appeals to the ears.

Absolutely. And Precisely WHY my teacher IS the SOURCE, rather than so many commentaries, Carnal thinking, Logical conclusions, preaching themselves Saved but Still Sinning Against God, that man like to bring to this forum as their evidence for what they Believe.

Men giving their true heartful word of Belief in God AND the one He sent, and Willingly giving their life unto Death To God FOR their Belief;
IS Scriptural teaching.

It is expressly ONE man, forming a FOREVER Relationship WITH the ONE Lord God Almighty, according to Gods Order and Way, TO FORM that Relationship.

I desired an Express Relationship between the ONE Lord God Almighty and myself....and followed precisely Gods Order and Way, and have NO Doubt that God is unfaithful and did not fulfill His Word.

I can only say, IF you confessed your true Heartful belief and were crucified with Jesus...was that not sufficient to receive your salvation?

Glory to God,
Taken

 

[Taken]

Jesus would not tell you..."you must be born again" on earth if Salvation was given after you died.
The born again would not have received the "Gift of Righteousness" that has caused them to be "Made Righteous", if Salvation is given only after you die.

I did not receive Salvation, until AFTER I was crucified bodily dead, with Jesus.

 

[Taken]

For each person there is one resurrection. What you're referring to does not apply to the idea. Some will be resurrected to shame. They are not saved.

Not true. Earthly men can bodily die and be ”brought back” and resume their bodily life.

The “brought back”, IS Gods Handiwork’s of “bringing/sending back” their living soul (that departed when their body died) BACK into the Body, that the body resume living it’s mortal life.

Dead body’s being brought back to life, are reveal in scriptural teaching.
They are EXAMPLES of Gods Power and Foreshadows OF HOW DEAD body’s shall ALL be able to SEE the Son of man returning to Earth.

1 Kings 17:17-24

Pay close attention to 17:21.

 

[Behold]

I did not receive Salvation, until AFTER I was crucified bodily dead, with Jesus.

Ummmmmm.

"the body is dead because of sin"...........that is everyone.

To become "crucified with Christ" happens when God applies the BLood Of Jesus to you.
That happens when you first believe.

 

[Taken]

Being saved forever is wonderful!

Yes it is wonderful, but sadly denied by so many.

Continued sinning is abominable!

Believers can continue sinning...
Peter is a good example.
Peter believed, but denied Jesus, denied Jesus, denied Jesus...thrice!

Other believers can and do the same thing.
Then run to their Advocate Jesus, and ask forgiveness.

Others jump off the repetitive merry-go-round...
And BECOME Converted...
Christ the POWER of God “IN” them...and WOW...
Completely INCAPABLE of ever again DENYING, doubting, the Lord God Again.

MAGIC? No. FACT. God can NOT stand Against Himself....remember that house divided thingy?

Gods Spirit dwells IN His House....which is WITHIN a converted man....remember Gods Temple WITHIN a converted man?

A man receiving Gods Salvation, BECOMES Gods Temple.
AND nothing whatsoever is Greater than Gods Power.
Greater is He that is IN you than He that is IN the world.

That Temple/Church God is BUILDING, upon His ROCK Foundation, is a Spiritual Temple/Church, unseen by men’s EYES, known only to the Lord God and the individual man himself.
Others...can guess WHO and HOW MANY members are IN Gods Temple/Church.

 

[Michiah-Imla]

Believers can continue sinning...
Peter is a good example.

Peter is a bad example.

Christ had not died or rise again from the dead yet when Peter denied him. As a result Peter wasn’t saved yet.

“…And if Christ be not raised, your faith is vain; ye are yet in your sins.” (1 Corinthians 15:16-17)

Try again.

 

[Taken]

Ummmmmm.

"the body is dead because of sin"...........that is everyone.

Yep.
All earthly body’s born in sin.
God saves the sinner.
God does not save the saved.

To become "crucified with Christ" happens when God applies the BLood Of Jesus to you.
That happens when you first believe.

No.
Lot’s of people believe, then doubt, then believe, then deny...waver.

The warning is hope it is a day you are enduring in belief that you physically die.....because you will THEN be saved.

A mans True Heartful CONFESSION “OF” his belief, is WHEN the blood of Jesus, applies to that person....Forgiving that persons sins, and cleansed in the Blood of Jesus.

BLOOD has always been the means to be forgiven for sin.
A pure animal’s blood.
The the offering of Jesus’ PURE blood.
Accept Jesus’ offered blood....it will cleanse you of all your sins.
Reject Jesus’ offered blood.....you will die unforgiven.

It’s a two way “contract” so to speak.
No man is forced to Accept Jesus’ Offering.
The man has to Agree to Accept Jesus’ Offering.
The man Agrees, BY Confessing Belief and Giving his own Body unto Death.....that is Gods Order and Way to receive Gods Gift of Salvation.
His Gift, His Way.

 

[Taken]

Peter is a bad example.

Christ had not died or rise again from the dead yet when Peter denied him. As a result Peter wasn’t saved yet.

“…And if Christ be not raised, your faith is vain; ye are yet in your sins.” (1 Corinthians 15:16-17)

Try again.

WHEN Jesus died was not the Point.
Try to stay on Point.
Believers CAN deny.
Converted CAN NOT deny.

Peter is an excellent example of a believer who is NOT converted, Denying the Lord Jesus.

And IF you observe Peter AFTER he became Converted, NEVER AGAIN did he Deny the Lord God.

 

[Taken]

The "Original OSAS"< was a deception created by the devil, in Jude and Paul's day, that IS the deception that God's Grace,, when understood correctly...is "license to sin" or "licentiousness".

I do not know of the acronym OSAS, being applicable as a Devil teaching.

What you are referring to, is "Eternal Security".

Eternal Security is simply to have Eternal Life, which is to be born again by the Spirit of God, into the Spirit of God, becoming a "new Creation in Christ".
This is the "new Birth" or... AS JESUS demanded...."you must be born again".

Yes. OSAS, is simply an Acronym, applicable to Converted people...
Ie....the complete transformation of body, soul, spirit of man,
by, though, of the Power of God.

 

[Taken]

@devin553344

Noting and appreciate your willingness to hear.

 

[Michiah-Imla]

Believers CAN deny.
Converted CAN NOT deny

Huh?

Well, sure. A true follower would die for their Lord.