The Sabbath Day

[BarneyFife]

@Ronald Nolette Good point.............

I like the lines which say:

"Wonderful things in the Bible I see,
Especially what's put there by you and by me..."

Is this sarcasm? Just asking.

 

[BarneyFife]

Paul calls those ten in stone the law of sin and death!

No, he really doesn't!

 

[Ronald Nolette]

Uh, no, most believers actually do not reject how Jesus counted days referring to His death and resurrection, including yours truly. Otherwise, we wouldn't have Good Friday and Resurrection Sunday.

Well good for you. I have gotten loads of flack on another thread for knowing Jesus died on Friday, rose on Sunday and that was three days.

 

[Ronald Nolette]

Sure there is. There's something much closer to a direct command to keep the Sabbath than there is to say that it's been changed or eliminated or fulfilled, etc., blah...

Well then I await you posting this "something much closer to a direct command" BTW what does something closer to a direct command mean? Who defined that and by what authority!

 

[Ronald Nolette]

No, he really doesn't!

Yes He really does! Romans 8 is a direct reference to teh law!

2 Cor. 3 calls the ten in stone a ministry of death!

1 Cor. 15 says that sin gets its strewngth from the law in stone.

 

[Ronald Nolette]

@Ronald Nolette Good point.............

I like the lines which say:

"Wonderful things in the Bible I see,
Especially what's put there by you and by me..."

the tragically sad reality is that when quizzed, most people believe stuff that is not in the bible as actually being in the Bible.

 

[Ronald Nolette]

@Ronald Nolette

(Cont'd)

Paul had earlier said to the Corinthians, "The sting of death is sin: and the strength of sin is the law." 1 Cor. 15:56. That is, if it were not for the law of God, which condemns those who violate it, there would be no sin, and hence no death in the penalty for sin, "for where no law is, there is no transgression.” (Romans 4:15).

Thinking about this fact and the coexisting fact that "the law is holy … and just, and good," (Romans 7:12) caused Paul to inquire: "Was then that which is good made death unto me?" (v. 13) Here he speaks of the law as "death."

Now, how does Paul say that we escape from this "ministration of death"--this "ministration of condemnation"?

By abolishing the law of God?

Read carefully his words:

"There is therefore now no condemnation to them which are in Christ Jesus, who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit. For the law of' the Spirit of life in Christ Jesus hath made me free from the law of sin and death. For what the law could not do, in that it was weak through the flesh, God sending his own Son in the likeness of sinful flesh, and for sin, condemned sin in the flesh: that the righteousness of the law might be fulfilled in us, who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit." (Romans 8:1-4).

We escape from "condemnation" through Jesus Christ, who changes our hearts so that "the righteousness of the law might be fulfilled in us." Paul describes this changed state as walking "after the Spirit," and adds that "to be spiritually minded is life and peace." Verses 5, 6.

Here is a state of "condemnation" and "death" changed to one of "no condemnation" but rather "life." In other words, a ministration of condemnation and death is exchanged for a ministration of the spirit and life.

How evident that we are here discussing the two covenants.

And how evident also that Paul's words in Romans 8 parallel his words in 2 Corinthians 3.

That is the plain teaching of the Scripture.

The cold letter of the law as it appeared on the stone tables had no life-giving power. It could only point accusingly at every man, for all have sinned and come short of the glory of God. An administration of the law based on its letter alone results only in death for violators.

But an administration of it based on the forgiveness possible through the action of God's Spirit on the heart results in life.

The contrast between "letter" and "spirit" does not mean a contrast between the age of law and the age of freedom from the law.

As we have already noted, when God's Spirit is in control, the law's requirements are carried out in our hearts.

What, now, of the "glory" mentioned by Paul? He plainly speaks of the relative glory of two ministrations. The justice and righteousness of God shone forth in awesome, even terrifying glory on Mount Sinai as He proclaimed His law. He stood there like a consuming fire.

But how much greater the glory of God that bathed the earth with its life-giving rays where Christ came down to "save his people from their sins." Matt. 1:21.

Here was the glory of justice and mercy combined, for in dying for our sins–our "transgression of the law"--Christ revealed how God at one and the same time could "be just, and the justifier of him which believes in Jesus." (Romans 3:26)

This brings us to the last question: What was "done away" and what "remains?" The question is really already answered. The glory attendant upon the giving of the law is so greatly excelled by the glory attendant upon the saving of men from its violation that Paul could appropriately speak of the first as “glorious" and the second as "the glory that excels."

But right here Paul weaves in an incident in connection with the giving of the law at Sinai to illustrate a point that he wishes to make in the verses that immediately follow this disputed passage.

When Moses came down from the mount with the tables of stone in his hands, "the skin of his face shone; and they were afraid to come nigh him." So Moses "put a vale on his face while he spoke to the Israelites. (See Exodus 34:29-35)

Paul refers to this: "The children of Israel could not steadfastly behold the face of Moses for the glory of his countenance; which glory was to be done away." 2 Corinthians 3:7. He refers to this again in verse 11, saying it was "done away," and then again in verse 13 in these words: "And not as Moses, which put a vale over his face, that the children of Israel could not steadfastly look to the end of that which is abolished."

It was the glory of the former ministration, now ended, and not the law administered, that was "done away" and/or "abolished," even as, by historical analogy, Paul reminds them that it was the glory on Moses' face that was "done away."

The record declares that the veil was on Moses' face, not on the tables of stone, that it was his face that shone and not the tables of stone, and that it was the glory on his face that faded, not the luster that ever surrounds the divinely written Ten Commandments.

Well do Jamieson, Fausset, and Brown, in their Bible commentary, make this general observation in their comments on 2 Corinthians 3:

"Still the moral law of the ten commandments, being written by the finger of God, is as obligatory now as ever; but put more on the Gospel spirit of 'love,' than on the letter of a servile obedience, and in a deeper and fuller spirituality (Matthew 5.17-48; Romans 13.9)."

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Please refrain from responding with a refutation devoid of thoughtful research and preparation. I have done you the courtesy of replying to your pointed objection in a straightforward, honest, and sincere manner. In the spirit of Christian charity, please reciprocate appropriately.

All these two posts so you could make an eisegetical allegorical commentary.

One reading this would not come anywhere near you ropinion. NOr should they.

Teh law is fulfilled and thus ended! The new testament is different from the old. The old defined sin the new empowers us to righteousness!

Even in Galatians Paul said the law was a school master and now that faith is come we no longer need a schoolmaster.

Sorry Barney, you are free to observe the Sabbath with all you rheart! Just do not impose it on others!

Romans 14 should be what guides you, not a false sense of legalism.

Romans 14:4-7
King James Version

4 Who art thou that judgest another man's servant? to his own master he standeth or falleth. Yea, he shall be holden up: for God is able to make him stand.

5 One man esteemeth one day above another: another esteemeth every day alike. Let every man be fully persuaded in his own mind.

6 He that regardeth the day, regardeth it unto the Lord; and he that regardeth not the day, to the Lord he doth not regard it. He that eateth, eateth to the Lord, for he giveth God thanks; and he that eateth not, to the Lord he eateth not, and giveth God thanks.

7 For none of us liveth to himself, and no man dieth to himself.

 

[farouk]

All these two posts so you could make an eisegetical allegorical commentary.

One reading this would not come anywhere near you ropinion. NOr should they.

Teh law is fulfilled and thus ended! The new testament is different from the old. The old defined sin the new empowers us to righteousness!

Even in Galatians Paul said the law was a school master and now that faith is come we no longer need a schoolmaster.

Sorry Barney, you are free to observe the Sabbath with all you rheart! Just do not impose it on others!

Romans 14 should be what guides you, not a false sense of legalism.

Romans 14:4-7
King James Version

4 Who art thou that judgest another man's servant? to his own master he standeth or falleth. Yea, he shall be holden up: for God is able to make him stand.

5 One man esteemeth one day above another: another esteemeth every day alike. Let every man be fully persuaded in his own mind.

6 He that regardeth the day, regardeth it unto the Lord; and he that regardeth not the day, to the Lord he doth not regard it. He that eateth, eateth to the Lord, for he giveth God thanks; and he that eateth not, to the Lord he eateth not, and giveth God thanks.

7 For none of us liveth to himself, and no man dieth to himself.

@Ronald Nolette Romans 14, the great charter of Christian liberty, is a tonic for the believer....

 

[Ronald Nolette]

@Ronald Nolette Romans 14, the great charter of Christian liberty, is a tonic for the believer....

Even Jesus was baffled by peoples harness of heart! Though it is wrong, I would love to get my hands on some of these long gone teachers and hurt them badly!

 

[amigo de christo]

1 cor. 15:

"The strength of sin is the law". Sin gets its strength by th elaw.

56 The sting of death is sin; and the strength of sin is the law.

It means we become aware of what SIN is through the law . Where there is no law there is no wrath .
Paul called even the law holy just and good . The law showed them what was evil and what was right .
ITS just the law cannot save one . BY the law comes the knowledge of what is evil .
AND all have indeed done evil . THUS how can i then try and justify myself by the law
when i myself have transgressed the law . JUSTIFICATION can only be found in ...........drum roll.................
JESUS CHRIST . HE ALONE is THE JUST and the justifier of the lambs who do believe on HIM . TAKE THAT TO THE CELESTIAL BANK
for it is truth . The law only made me aware of What GOD calls good and evil . IT made me aware of what SIN IS in the eyes of GOD .
BY grace it made me realize HOW MUCH I DO NEED JESUS CHRIST . MORE THAN I EVER KNEW . YEP .
But do we then use grace to justify trangression and sin . GOD FORBID .
LOVE fullfills , LOVE does not trangress . ME THINKS this generation needs to really learn that fast too .
Cause MOST are calling things love , which GOD called evil and abomnations . AND that aint GRACE at work .
ITS A LIE and a delusion sent by satan to create a false image of GOD and cause all to worship the god of lies and sin , HIMSELF .

 

[amigo de christo]

The DRAGON aint been on vacation , He has been filling pews full of men to create his nation of one right under the beast .

 

[amigo de christo]

Even Jesus was baffled by peoples harness of heart! Though it is wrong, I would love to get my hands on some of these long gone teachers and hurt them badly!

All we can do is weep and expose their lies . False teachers have a real bad end , far worse than what man could ever do .
Sadly they rejected the truth unto their own destruction . GOD is the JUDGE and has comitted all JUDGMENT unto the SON .
ON the last day them false teachers are gonna wail as they are told DEPART from me YE who worked inquity
into the lake o fire prepared for the devil and his angels . ITS bad enough an ending for them .
WE just need to focus on keep folks away FROM their dead teachings .

 

[BarneyFife]

All these two posts so you could make an eisegetical allegorical commentary.

One reading this would not come anywhere near you ropinion. NOr should they.

Teh law is fulfilled and thus ended! The new testament is different from the old. The old defined sin the new empowers us to righteousness!

Even in Galatians Paul said the law was a school master and now that faith is come we no longer need a schoolmaster.

Sorry Barney, you are free to observe the Sabbath with all you rheart! Just do not impose it on others!

Romans 14 should be what guides you, not a false sense of legalism.

Romans 14:4-7
King James Version

4 Who art thou that judgest another man's servant? to his own master he standeth or falleth. Yea, he shall be holden up: for God is able to make him stand.

5 One man esteemeth one day above another: another esteemeth every day alike. Let every man be fully persuaded in his own mind.

6 He that regardeth the day, regardeth it unto the Lord; and he that regardeth not the day, to the Lord he doth not regard it. He that eateth, eateth to the Lord, for he giveth God thanks; and he that eateth not, to the Lord he eateth not, and giveth God thanks.

7 For none of us liveth to himself, and no man dieth to himself.

Please refrain from responding with a refutation devoid of thoughtful research and preparation. I have done you the courtesy of replying to your pointed objection in a straightforward, honest, and sincere manner. In the spirit of Christian charity, please reciprocate appropriately.

Let the record show that thus far you have declined to do so.

 

[BarneyFife]

Yes He really does! Romans 8 is a direct reference to teh law!

2 Cor. 3 calls the ten in stone a ministry of death!

1 Cor. 15 says that sin gets its strewngth from the law in stone.

The law of sin and death referred to in Romans 8:2 is described in Romans 6:23.

 

[BarneyFife]

Well good for you. I have gotten loads of flack on another thread for knowing Jesus died on Friday, rose on Sunday and that was three days.

Most believers actually do not reject how Jesus counted days referring to His death and resurrection,. Otherwise, we wouldn't have Good Friday and Resurrection Sunday.

 

[Ronald David Bruno]

"

...REGULATIONS OF THE SABBATH​

“Six days may work be done; but in the seventh is the Sabbath of rest, holy to
The Lord: whosoever doeth any work in the Sabbath day, he shall surely be put
to death. Wherefore the children of Israel shall keep the Sabbath, to observe
the Sabbath throughout their generations, for a perpetual covenant. It is a sign
between me and the children of Israel forever...” (Ex. 31:15-17)....

...PAUL’S TEACHING ON THE SABBATH​

“Let no man therefore judge you in meat [food], or in drink, or in respect
of an holy day, or of the new moon, or of the Sabbath days: Which are a
shadow of things to come; but the body is of Christ” (Col. 2:16,17)​

When Paul says to the Colossians that they were not to let any man judge them in
regard to these physical things, it is strongly implied that they were being troubled
by those who were attempting to place them under the law. They were being told
that to be saved and please God, it was necessary to keep the law...
"
(P Sadler)

Precious friend(s), are you also "being troubled" by this today?:

FULL study:
The Sabbath Day

GRACE And Peace...

It was a specific covenant with Israel and her generations. For 400 years they were forced to work/slave seven days/week. The Law was given to them. They were the test case for humanity and they failed.
But that is not a yoke that Christians are to wear and bear.
"Now, therefore, why are you putting God to the test by placing a yoke on the neck of the disciples that neither our fathers nor we have been able to bear?" Acts 15:10

Christ is our Sabbath, our rest. The Israelites were warned about God withholding His "rest."
Hebrews 3:11 "So I sware in my wrath, They shall not enter into my rest."
Psalm 95:11 is the cross reference.

Rest and peace lies in Christ everyday.

 

[BarneyFife]

But that is not a yoke that Christians are to wear and bear.

"Now, therefore, why are you putting God to the test by placing a yoke on the neck of the disciples that neither our fathers nor we have been able to bear?" Acts 15:10

Was it also a grievous, unreasonable yoke to abstain from idol worship, murder, theft, adultery, or covetousness?

The rest of grace in Hebrews 4 is not the rest of the 4th commandment.

 

[Ronald Nolette]

It means we become aware of what SIN is through the law . Where there is no law there is no wrath .
Paul called even the law holy just and good . The law showed them what was evil and what was right .
ITS just the law cannot save one . BY the law comes the knowledge of what is evil .
AND all have indeed done evil . THUS how can i then try and justify myself by the law
when i myself have transgressed the law . JUSTIFICATION can only be found in ...........drum roll.................
JESUS CHRIST . HE ALONE is THE JUST and the justifier of the lambs who do believe on HIM . TAKE THAT TO THE CELESTIAL BANK
for it is truth . The law only made me aware of What GOD calls good and evil . IT made me aware of what SIN IS in the eyes of GOD .
BY grace it made me realize HOW MUCH I DO NEED JESUS CHRIST . MORE THAN I EVER KNEW . YEP .
But do we then use grace to justify trangression and sin . GOD FORBID .
LOVE fullfills , LOVE does not trangress . ME THINKS this generation needs to really learn that fast too .
Cause MOST are calling things love , which GOD called evil and abomnations . AND that aint GRACE at work .
ITS A LIE and a delusion sent by satan to create a false image of GOD and cause all to worship the god of lies and sin , HIMSELF .

Sorry but if God meant to mean that, He would have said so! It means exactly what it says- sins strength is the law. Remember our human nature thrives on sin, and the law strengthens sin.

 

[Ronald Nolette]

Please refrain from responding with a refutation devoid of thoughtful research and preparation. I have done you the courtesy of replying to your pointed objection in a straightforward, honest, and sincere manner. In the spirit of Christian charity, please reciprocate appropriately.

Let the record show that thus far you have declined to do so.

Acc ording to you! but commenting on how I answer keeps you from addressing the OP.

 

[amigo de christo]

Sorry but if God meant to mean that, He would have said so! It means exactly what it says- sins strength is the law. Remember our human nature thrives on sin, and the law strengthens sin.

The law makes us aware of what sin is . GOD didnt send something to strengthen SIN , rather to teach them .
The thing is the law cannot justify us . Read the whole message .