Who is Jesus to a Non-Trinitarian?

[GEN2REV]

I am a non trinitarian, i know 100% Jesus is not God. God did not come to earth. The bible is clear, God sent another= The speaker at Prov 8= Gods master worker, the one whom God created all other things through.

Did you see this in my response to Rich in post #98?

A spirit can do things that a human cannot. If a spirit places itself, or a portion of itself, into a womb/egg, in a supernatural way, it is actually very easy to imagine how the person who becomes of that egg and spiritual insemination would very clearly be that spirit that was their original cause.

Any response?

I am learning more and more about this belief that you guys share and I'm curious how it all works.

For instance, how do you understand that a mortal created all that is?

And how can a mortal forgive sins?

If you're 100% certain Jesus is not God, you must have worked through many, many of these seeming contradictions for years. Yes?

 

[XFire]

Well now. Question to trinitarians.
1. If I done believe like you. Is there salvation for me?
If so then haven't you just added a second requirement for salvation?
2. If there is salvation then the essence (MAN MADE) of Christ does not matter who you believe Jesus is!
3. If salvation first w/o the knowledge of who Jesus is the eph 4.13 is possible.
W/o 3 then the congregation of believers will never find unity and a lot of people are going to hell w/o even knowing they are!.
4. The reason God didn't make the gospel too hard was for you Christian: to get over yourself and love your neighbors

 

[XFire]

Next let's see
If I'm not a trinitarian I am going to hell
If I'm not a oness I'm going to hell
If I'm a non trinitarian I'm going to hell

Hmm. Maybe I will live the 1st and 2nd commandments for my salvation

 

[Taken]

Next let's see
If I'm not a trinitarian I am going to hell
If I'm not a oness I'm going to hell
If I'm a non trinitarian I'm going to hell

Hmm. Maybe I will live the 1st and 2nd commandments for my salvation

Men separated from God go to hell.
But then both God and Hell are invisible to man’s EYE.

Not important what others say.
What applies to you is what you claim for yourself.

 

[XFire]

Is not there only 1 sin that keeps us from Heaven. And that is to deny Jesus as Lord and Savior???
He died for the rest of them If memory serves me right.
Thank you for saying that it is my claim and not others.

With all the crap going . Back and forth. I can see why Christianity is a dying theology!

 

[Keiw]

Did you see this in my response to Rich in post #98?Any response?

I am learning more and more about this belief that you guys share and I'm curious how it all works.

For instance, how do you understand that a mortal created all that is?

And how can a mortal forgive sins?

If you're 100% certain Jesus is not God, you must have worked through many, many of these seeming contradictions for years. Yes?

Trinity translations are filled with errors. Errors translated by the religion that came out of Rome to fit false council teachings. There are no contradictions in Gods truth. However trinity translations teach 2 different truths, 2 different Gods.

 

[GEN2REV]

Trinity translations are filled with errors. Errors translated by the religion that came out of Rome to fit false council teachings. There are no contradictions in Gods truth. However trinity translations teach 2 different truths, 2 different Gods.

... how do you understand that a mortal created all that is?

And how can a mortal forgive sins?

 

[Keiw]

Jesus wasnt a mortal before coming to earth, nor was mortal when he was resurrected. God appointed him as king and gave judgement to him. Jesus only does his Fathers will( John 5:30) so we all know the sins Jesus forgives the Father would forgive as well. Jesus is his Fathers image( Collosians 1:15) He showed all Gods loving and forgiving side while on earth, but upon his return at Harmageddon he will show the war God side of his Father and the world will not like it.

 

[GEN2REV]

we all know the sins Jesus forgives the Father would forgive as well.

Is this your answer to how Jesus forgave sins while in the physical/flesh body; during the time He was mortal as you say?

 

[GEN2REV]

Jesus wasnt a mortal before coming to earth, nor was mortal when he was resurrected. God appointed him as king and gave judgement to him. Jesus only does his Fathers will( John 5:30) so we all know the sins Jesus forgives the Father would forgive as well. Jesus is his Fathers image( Collosians 1:15) He showed all Gods loving and forgiving side while on earth, but upon his return at Harmageddon he will show the war God side of his Father and the world will not like it.

So Jesus was immortal before and after His physical incarnation, meaning He's immortal now, but He's not God?

 

[Keiw]

Is this your answer to how Jesus forgave sins while in the physical/flesh body; during the time He was mortal as you say?

God gave him the right. He was sent by God.

 

[Keiw]

So Jesus was immortal before and after His physical incarnation, meaning He's immortal now, but He's not God?

No he wasnt immortal until his mission on earth was a success. He could have failed. That is why satan tempted him in the wilderness at his weakest point( 40 days fasting)

 

[GEN2REV]

No he wasnt immortal until his mission on earth was a success.

But you said this in #108:

Jesus wasnt a mortal before coming to earth, nor was mortal when he was resurrected.

 

[GEN2REV]

God gave him the right. He was sent by God.

You said this concerning Jesus' forgiveness of sins, but what about all the prophets who were also sent by God?

Jeremiah and Isaiah spoke of having the Holy Spirit (God) within them from birth.

And Jesus Himself spoke of being involved with every single prophet from Moses until the time of His physical life upon the earth.
Luke 24:27

 

[Keiw]

But you said this in #108:

He was a spirit being.

 

[Keiw]

You said this concerning Jesus' forgiveness of sins, but what about all the prophets who were also sent by God?

Jeremiah and Isaiah spoke of having the Holy Spirit (God) within them from birth.

And Jesus Himself spoke of being involved with every single prophet from Moses until the time of His physical life upon the earth.
Luke 24:27

The prophets didnt forgive sins, only the sins done against them personally could they forgive one.

 

[GEN2REV]

He was a spirit being.

And spirit beings are immortal.

Back to my original statement.

So Jesus was immortal before and after His physical incarnation, meaning He's immortal now, but He's not God?

 

[GEN2REV]

The prophets didnt forgive sins, only the sins done against them personally could they forgive one.

It seems to me you need to study out your belief a bit more.

It doesn't align with Scripture at all.

Jesus is, and always was, God.

You can't argue against the full weight of the Bible as a whole. That's called delusion.

 

[Keiw]

And spirit beings are immortal.

Back to my original statement.

They arent immortal unless God grants them that. Satan and his fallen angels( demons) will be destroyed in the lake of fire.

 

[Keiw]

It seems to me you need to study out your belief a bit more.

It doesn't align with Scripture at all.

Jesus is, and always was, God.

You can't argue against the full weight of the Bible as a whole. That's called delusion.

Not what Jesus teaches-John 20:17, Rev 3:12--Nor Paul- 1Cor 15:24-28, Coll 1:3--Nor Peter-1Peter 1:3-- So tell us who is in error? Jesus, Paul and Peter or trinity teachers? they contradict each other. There is no contradiction in Gods truth.