Political Zionism?

[theefaith]

KJV Exodus 32:3-6
3 And all the people brake off the golden earrings which were in their ears, and brought them unto Aaron.
4 And he received them at their hand, and fashioned it with a graving tool, after he had made it a molten calf: and they said, These be thy gods, O Israel, which brought thee up out of the land of Egypt.
5 And when Aaron saw it, he built an altar before it; and Aaron made proclamation, and said, To morrow is a feast to the LORD.
6 And they rose up early on the morrow, and offered burnt offerings, and brought peace offerings; and the people sat down to eat and to drink, and rose up to play.

Interesting this. The golden calf was a representation of God, it wasn't a pagan god or a deity of man's imagination.
"This is the God who brought you up out of Egypt"...."tomorrow we feast to the Lord'". Yet this was recognized as a sin against God and Moses upon witnessing the scene broke the tablets of commandments and forced Israel to destroy the idol, rebuking them sternly.
Yet this is the exact same excuse used by Catholics as they bow before their idols.

what excuse?

we have no idols
Worship requires intent!

Images are permitted by the apostolic council since the iconoclast heresy was condemned in the seventh century

Councils, creeds, dogma’s, catechisms and decrees of the church are binding on all the faithful and are the teaching of Christ!!!

Lk 10:16 16 He that heareth you heareth me; and he that despiseth you despiseth me; and he that despiseth me despiseth him that sent me.

Jn 20:21 as the Father sent me, so I send you! (The apostles and their successors have the SAME mission, ministry, power, and authority as Jesus Christ!

To reject Christ teaching authority in his church is to reject Christ! Lk 10:16

2 Timothy 2:12
If we suffer, we shall also reign with him: if we deny him, he also will deny us:

 

[Brakelite]

Yep. Just as I said. The golden calf was an image. Didn't save those Israelites.

 

[theefaith]

Oh, most Freemasons have no clue what's going on in their own organization. It is a secret society after all. It's just the high echelons, the upper degrees, who know the truth of Freemasonry... It's occult worldview and globalist goals. It's political machinations and the real depths of Satan they practise. But they have some interesting connections. Knights of Malta. Knights of Columbus. Royalty worldwide. Skull and Bones. Bilderbegers. Illuminati. And the real power that guides and dominates all the above. The Jesuits.

I agree to most of that all though I doubt if most of the modernist jesuits could even find the lunchroom!

 

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the true apostolic church never teaches these things

God is all-knowing.
Humans regardless IF they be a teacher ARE still the student.
God continues to Teach, thus God continues to Serve us.
Humans continues Serve God, Expressly teaching on His Behalf, with His Word.

Yes SOME preachers, teach and preach WITH Gods Word.
Yes SOME preachers, teach and preach OUTSIDE of Gods Word...
...the Problem arises WHEN that same accredits God for that which is NOT True.

A particular Church may have its “guidelines”, its “rules”, ie Doctrines...
However All individuals are subject to imperfection and fallibility.
Teaching / Preaching ANYONE is without Sin, is without infallibility is False on its Face.

 

[Taken]

the body yes awaiting the resurrection of the body accept Mary of course!

but they are alive with Christ in heaven!

Good grief. That is such a disparaging remark about Mary, equaling her with Jesus Christ. And poor Mary’s not here to make her own defense of people who make up untrue stories about her. Sad!

Dead body’s have no life in them.
They stink, decay, rot and return to dust.
The Saved and Converted IN their Living bodies are Living saints...
...and are Scripturally taught to Pray for others, saved or not.

The departed (out of their dead bodies) saved and souls spirits are in heaven with God.
Nothing what so ever teaches Living men to contact, pray to, pray for, departed souls and spirits.

If you have Scriptural knowledge to the contrary, please quote the Scripture.

 

[theefaith]

God is all-knowing.
Humans regardless IF they be a teacher ARE still the student.
God continues to Teach, thus God continues to Serve us.
Humans continues Serve God, Expressly teaching on His Behalf, with His Word.

Yes SOME preachers, teach and preach WITH Gods Word.
Yes SOME preachers, teach and preach OUTSIDE of Gods Word...
...the Problem arises WHEN that same accredits God for that which is NOT True.

A particular Church may have its “guidelines”, its “rules”, ie Doctrines...
However All individuals are subject to imperfection and fallibility.
Teaching / Preaching ANYONE is without Sin, is without infallibility is False on its Face.

Jn 8:32 Jn 16:13

The false doctrine of the “Bible alone” rejects Jesus Christ and his teaching authority in his apostles in holy church councils, dogmas and decrees etc.

Councils, creeds, dogma’s, catechisms and decrees of the church are binding on all the faithful and are the teaching of Christ!!!

Lk 10:16 16 He that heareth you heareth me; and he that despiseth you despiseth me; and he that despiseth me despiseth him that sent me.

Jn 20:21 as the Father sent me, so I send you! (The apostles and their successors have the SAME mission, ministry, power, and authority as Jesus Christ!

To reject Christ teaching authority in his church is to reject Christ! Lk 10:16

2 Timothy 2:12
If we suffer, we shall also reign with him: if we deny him, he also will deny us:

A dogma of the Catholic Church is defined as "a truth revealed by God, which the magisterium of the Church declared as binding on all the faithful, Dogma is the divinely revealed truth, declared as such by the infallible teaching authority of Jesus Christ in His holy church!

Dogma! Or De Fide! Or Thee faith!

The faith of Christians!
An inconvertible unchallengeable truth revealed by God!
Truth like God who revealed it is immutable! Unchangeable!

Christ is the truth! Jn 14:6
The church is the pillar of truth! 1 Tim 3:15

The one true church founded by Christ on the authority of the apostles is ir-reformable!

Hebrews 13:8
Jesus Christ the same yesterday, and to day, and for ever.

Christ and his church are one! Acts 9:4 eph 4:5

Truth must be revealed by God, and in its fullness in the sacred deposit of faith by Christ to his church! Eph 4:5 Jude 1:3 and must be taught by the church, or proposed for our belief by the apostles!
Matt 28:19-20 Lk 1:4 Jn 20:21 acts 8:31 Rom 1:5 col 2:7 1 Tim 3:15
matt 18:17

 

[theefaith]

Jesus Christ extends his mission, power, and authority to His church of His apostles!

Even His judging!
Matt 19:28 and 1 cor 6:2
His teaching authority!
Matt 28:19 and Jn 20:21
His power to forgive sins!
Jn 20:23
His being the light of the world!
Matt 5:14
His ministry of reconciliation!
2 cor 5:18
His authority in governing the church and administering the kingdom!
Matt 16:18-19 & 18:18 Jn 21:17
Lk 22:29
Apart from me you can do nothing. Jn 15:5
So the church is subject to Christ!
Eph 5:24
Christ shares His glory! 2 thes 1:10 rev 12:1


Jesus Christ continues HIS ministry in His new covenant church thru Peter, the apostles, and their successors with the same mission, power, and authority!
Mt 16:18 Mt 28:19 Matt 18:17 Acts 1:17 acts 8:31 & 35 acts 9:4 Lk 10:16 Jn 8:32 Jn 13:20 Jn 15:5 Jn 16:13 Jn 20:21-22 eph 2:20 acts 2:42
1 Tim 3:15

Fundamentalism drives a wedge between Christ and his church, separates Christ from His kingdom, and the authority of Christ from the new covenant!

1 Corinthians 16:22
If any man love not the Lord Jesus Christ, let him be Anathema

Extends to the truth and the church

Cos Christ is the truth and His church teaches the truth without error! Jn 14:6 matt 28:19 matt 18:17 1 Tim 3:15 Jn 29:21-23 Jn 16:13

Christ and His church are one! Acts 9:4 eph 5:32

Authority of the Apostles!

What authority does Christ have?
What power does Christ have?
What mission / ministry does Christ have?

Peter, the apostles and their successors have the same authority, power, and mission! Jn 20:21 as my father sent me, even so send I you!

John 17:18
As thou hast sent me into the world, even so have I also sent them into the world.

The apostles are Christ’s successors!
They have authority to send others as well, apostle means one who is sent!

Therefore the apostles have authority to send more apostles or successors!
Apostolic succession!

The nations still need to be taught, disciples still need to be baptized and the church the new covenant kingdom of christ still needs to be governed!

Hebrews 3:1
Wherefore, holy brethren, partakers of the heavenly calling, consider the Apostle and High Priest of our profession, Christ Jesus;

Christ is an apostle, and has authority to send other apostles, the apostles also have this authority, so the apostles continue down thru the centuries as Christ promised! Matt 28:19-20

Keys of authority! And power to bind and loose! Matt 16:18 and Matt 18:18 matt 28:19 Isa 22:21-22

Moral authority:
(Teaching)
Necessity of being taught by Christ:
Two edge sword: defining truth and condemning errors, and Interpreting scripture.

Jurisdictional authority:
(Governing / administering)
Necessity of Peter and the apostles and their successors to govern the holy church.

Spiritual authority:
(Life of Grace)
Sanctifying thru the mass and Sacraments

The apostles teaching is Christ’s teaching, Christ and His church are one! Acts 9:4

Christian rule of faith is not the Bible alone! But the doctrine of the apostles! Acts 2:42

Jesus Christ continues HIS ministry in His new covenant church thru Peter, the apostles, and their successors with the same mission, power, and authority!
Mt 16:18 Mt 28:19 Acts 1:17 acts 8:31 & 35 Lk 10:16 Jn 8:32 Jn 13:20 Jn 15:5 Jn 16:13 Jn 20:21-22 eph 2:20



Jesus is the truth!

Jn 8:32 And ye shall know the truth, and the truth shall make you free.

Jn 14:6 Jesus saith unto him, I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me.

To know the truth it is required to know Jesus Christ!

The truth is not some thing but somebody! Jesus Christ!

 

[theefaith]

Good grief. That is such a disparaging remark about Mary, equaling her with Jesus Christ. And poor Mary’s not here to make her own defense of people who make up untrue stories about her. Sad!

Dead body’s have no life in them.
They stink, decay, rot and return to dust.
The Saved and Converted IN their Living bodies are Living saints...
...and are Scripturally taught to Pray for others, saved or not.

The departed (out of their dead bodies) saved and souls spirits are in heaven with God.
Nothing what so ever teaches Living men to contact, pray to, pray for, departed souls and spirits.

If you have Scriptural knowledge to the contrary, please quote the Scripture.

we pray to God

pray for the souls of the departed yes
2 Maccabees 12:46
It is therefore a holy and wholesome thought to pray for the dead, that they may be loosed from sins.

Mary the ark of the covenant is in heaven body and soul rev 11 &12

 

[Cassandra]

we pray to God

pray for the souls of the departed yes
2 Maccabees 12:46
It is therefore a holy and wholesome thought to pray for the dead, that they may be loosed from sins.

Mary the ark of the covenant is in heaven body and soul rev 11 &12

Jesus paid the price for sins. Do you say His sacrifice is inadequate? I think you are because you have Him re-offering Himself millions of times a day in your church, instead of the service being the commemoration of His having died ONCE, for us.

Maccabees is not scripture to Protestants. If you think your prayers, as well as the prayers of many other Catholics, can actually being salvation to someone already dead, then you are saying that Christ's work of salvation is incomplete. Your prayers can certainly help a living soul, but once someone is dead, it's over.

And as I read it, Mary wasn't venerated officially by your church till the 3rd century. Same with the saints. What did those folk do for the first couple of hundred years? Veneration would've been established from the get go, and it wasn't.

You can pray to God directly, through His Mediator and Intercessor, Christ Jesus, who is not too busy to hear you. You don't need the saints to act as go between. Jesus died for you, and would've died for you if you had been the only one. He, if He died for you, is never far from you. Personalize it. Personalize your relationship with Christ. You don't need rituals. You need a personal relationship with Jesus. He asks you to learn of Him Matt11:29
"Take my yoke upon you, and learn of me; for I am meek and lowly in heart: and ye shall find rest unto your souls." He doesn't give a hang about scapulars, or medals. He wants a real relationship with you. He is your Intercessor.

 

[Taken]

Jn 8:32 Jn 16:13

The false doctrine of the “Bible alone” rejects Jesus Christ and his teaching authority in his apostles in holy church councils, dogmas and decrees etc.

You can repeat, scream, yell, throw a hissy fit, be rude, jump up and down....

But FOR ME:
THE BIBLE ALONE IS THE ONLY BOOK I TRUST TO VERIFY WHAT I HEAR REGARDING GODLY THINGS.

It is a BIG FAT LIE, to accuse Anyone relying on Scripture equates to rejecting Jesus Christ!

You can trust, yield to, rely on, other materials outside of Scripture, other men’s printed materials, other men’s speeches, pamphlets, letters, books, philosophies, doctrines, your catechism, your so call infallible holy father pope, statues, beads, trinkets, imaginary queens, repetitive prayers and whatever else you dream up....No body cares!

 

[theefaith]

Jesus paid the price for sins. Do you say His sacrifice is inadequate? I think you are because you have Him re-offering Himself millions of times a day in your church, instead of the service being the commemoration of His having died ONCE, for us.

Not at all

but it’s not applies all at one time, there is complete remission of sin and both the eternal punishment for sin and the temporal punishment for sin thru faith and baptism but after that when we sin and repent we are forgiven the eternal punishment but the temporal punishment must be satisfied by grace merited by Christ but obtained thru prayer, fasting, alms, and suffering!

He does not offer himself continually
His once for all sacrifice is offered
Once bloody on the cross but always as a pure offering / a clean oblation / an unbloody sacrifice


Maccabees is not scripture to Protestants.

it is scripture for a thousand years before there was a protester and to the Jews who lived outside of Jerusalem, those within Jerusalem claimed they were not cos they had no Hebrew texts or scrolls but they did find the Hebrew scrolls at the Dead Sea

If you think your prayers, as well as the prayers of many other Catholics, can actually being salvation to someone already dead, then you are saying that Christ's work of salvation is incomplete. Your prayers can certainly help a living soul, but once someone is dead, it's over.

mat least try to know what the subject is before you talk about it!

this is not a matter of salvation
They are already saved, eternal punishment satisfied by the blood of Christ thru his mercy, but the temporal punishment that must satisfy divine justice, also provided by God in the merits of christs passion and death, this can be fully satisfied and their souls purified by surfing in purgatory and by the prayers fasts alms and sufferings of the saints on earth in union with Christ thru grace

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And as I read it, Mary wasn't venerated officially by your church till the 3rd century. Same with the saints. What did those folk do for the first couple of hundred years? Veneration would've been established from the get go, and it wasn't.

there are depictions on the wall of the catacombs of the early church

even scripture demands veneration of Mary!

Lk 1:48 For he hath regarded the low estate of his handmaiden: for, behold, from henceforth all generations shall call me blessed.

You can pray to God directly, through His Mediator and Intercessor, Christ Jesus, who is not too busy to hear you. You don't need the saints to act as go between. Jesus died for you, and would've died for you if you had been the only one. He, if He died for you, is never far from you. Personalize it. Personalize your relationship with Christ. You don't need rituals. You need a personal relationship with Jesus. He asks you to learn of Him Matt11:29
"Take my yoke upon you, and learn of me; for I am meek and lowly in heart: and ye shall find rest unto your souls." He doesn't give a hang about scapulars, or medals. He wants a real relationship with you. He is your Intercessor.

in the family of God the communion of saints everyone can pray and intercede

 

[theefaith]

The only mediator and judge yet he shares his ministry with his church in his apostles

Jesus Christ extends his mission, power, and authority to His church of His apostles!

Even His judging!
Matt 19:28 and 1 cor 6:2
His teaching authority!
Matt 28:19 and Jn 20:21
His power to forgive sins!
Jn 20:23
His being the light of the world!
Matt 5:14
His ministry of reconciliation!
2 cor 5:18
His authority in governing the church and administering the kingdom!
Matt 16:18-19 & 18:18 Jn 21:17
Lk 22:29
Apart from me you can do nothing. Jn 15:5
So the church is subject to Christ!
Eph 5:24
Christ shares His glory! 2 thes 1:10 rev 12:1

 

[theefaith]

Hope this helps

indulgences

1st of all these are based on misunderstandings and accusations

Salvation has nothing to do with indulgences nor the forgiveness of sin!

Salvation is God’s mercy to us thru His church by grace thru the sacraments!

An indulgence is a merit of Jesus Christ thru his blood passion and death! Jn 1:16 & 1:29

Cannot sell indulgences
There were indulgences granted to those who supported the building of saint peters, not selling, (donations) but if you chose to make a donation you could get an indulgence, but there were and are many other ways to get them without making a donation! Not a requirement

You did something and got a favorable response, like buying a dozen dognuts and get one free, they may accuse you cannot selling 13 but you actually only sold 12 and gave one free.

Salvation is of grace with mercy and the forgiveness of sins, but the temporal punishment due to sin Christ did not take away, just like he did not take away our sin nature and restore up to the state of innocence in the garden.

Example: a child breaks a window with his baseball, his father forgives him totally, but the child work and earn money to pay for the window, and we must pray, fast, alms, penance, carry our cross and practice Christian virtues to expiate the temporal punishment due to our sins, God provides for everything in His goodness and gives us ample means to do this, and it purifies our souls in this life or if not he also provides a means of purification in the next.

And we can pray for and do penance and gain indulgences for those being purified since they are in the communion of saints like us and those already perfected in heaven!

An indulgence can only be applied to the punishment due for sins already forgiven!
From Christ’s merits! Jn 1:16-17

 

[Taken]

we pray to God

pray for the souls of the departed yes
2 Maccabees 12:46
It is therefore a holy and wholesome thought to pray for the dead, that they may be loosed from sins.

Mary the ark of the covenant is in heaven body and soul rev 11 &12

Uh no.

 

[theefaith]

You can repeat, scream, yell, throw a hissy fit, be rude, jump up and down....

But FOR ME:
THE BIBLE ALONE IS THE ONLY BOOK I TRUST TO VERIFY WHAT I HEAR REGARDING GODLY THINGS.

It is a BIG FAT LIE, to accuse Anyone relying on Scripture equates to rejecting Jesus Christ!

You can trust, yield to, rely on, other materials outside of Scripture, other men’s printed materials, other men’s speeches, pamphlets, letters, books, philosophies, doctrines, your catechism, your so call infallible holy father pope, statues, beads, trinkets, imaginary queens, repetitive prayers and whatever else you dream up....No body cares!

you don’t believe it
Lk 10:16???

 

[Taken]

you don’t believe it
Lk 10:16???

Sure, I believe Scripture, never said otherwise.
A man who speaks what Jesus says, is speaking what Jesus says.
And with the Bible Alone I can verify what Jesus says!

 

[theefaith]

Sure, I believe Scripture, never said otherwise.
A man who speaks what Jesus says, is speaking what Jesus says.
And with the Bible Alone I can verify what Jesus says!

that’s not what he said or what it means

Matt 23 why does Jesus say to obey the successors of Moses?

The successors of Moses sit in the chair of Moses having the authority of the keys and the power to bind and loose Matt 23 and Jesus commanded them to be obeyed! Then the kingdom was taken from them matt 21:43 and given to Peter, Matt 16:18 the apostles, Matt 18:18 and their successors with the authority of the keys and the power to bind and lose!

Jesus said to obey the authority of the successors of Moses mt 23 authority of the keys and power to bind and loose and this power and authority was taken from them matt and given by Christ to Peter, the apostles and their successors, mt 16:18 18:18 this same authority and power must be obeyed!

mt 28:18-20 all authority is given to Peter, the apostles, and their successors requiring obedience, rom 1:5 obedience to the faith!
And Jesus say to Peter, the apostles, and their successors: behold I am with you even until the end of the world!!!
So the apostles have to remain until the end! Revelation 5:10
And hast made us unto our God kings and Priests: and we shall reign on the earth. Reign with kingdom authority (keys) power (bind loose) matt 16:18
The successors of Peter and the apostles have a valid jurisdictional authority (keys) and power (bind and loose) by Jesus Christ!

Lk 10:16
He who hears you hears me...

John 13:20
Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that receiveth whomsoever I send receiveth me; and he that receiveth me receiveth him that sent me.

 

[Taken]

John 13:20
Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that receiveth whomsoever I send receiveth me; and he that receiveth me receiveth him that sent me.

Do you have the power to bind and loose?
Did Jesus send you?

 

[Jack]

“The goal of the Jewish Masonic elite is to establish dictatorial Illuministic Communism and to enslave all mankind under the thumb of a Jewish master race led by a world messiah who is to rule from Jerusalem.“

The Jews have the spiritual mark of Cain for killing their brother Jesus, and are disbursed to wander the earth like Cain!

“Communism is Judaism. The Jewish Revolution in Russia was in 1918.“

And what is your proof of all this? Hatred is not proof.

 

[Reggie Belafonte]

Yep. Just as I said. The golden calf was an image. Didn't save those Israelites.

They were not Israelites in the first place in fact, that idolised that Golden Calf that they had made. They were not worthy. They tried to Kill Moses !
Were did they get the idea from of a Golden Calf ? More baggage from Egypt.
The Golden Calf was made by them in fact, it was not an image at all. Moses dealt with that idol and such as they were killed.

An Israelite ? when to be a worthy Israelite, one is in fact an Israelite, such means in fact "a servant of God"! Remember Nathaniel and Jesus said what Nathaniel was ?

God did not save them Golden Calf trash, because they were not worthy of Israel at all ! they could not cut the mustard to be worthy of Israel at all in fact.