How to Search the Scriptures for Eternal Life

[Insight]

Nice try Prentis.

2 Tim 3:15 has tested your understanding and it is contrary to the teaching of Paul.

You neglect the importance of the wisdom gained from the Scripitures and this attitude is why you do not know truth...but accept the lies of CF's before you.

Good night

 

[Prentis]

Nice try, Insight.

You have revealed yourself by using one scripture in a manner that denies the rest, and remain in denial of the message of scriptures, which testify of Christ.

 

[Insight]

Can you be saved without the Word of God (Scriptures) written, spoken, in however state they come?

Yes or no

 

[Prentis]

God is the one who saves, and Christ is salvation.

The very questioon once again reveals that you think you have life in the scriptures, rather than in the one they testify of. Christ is the one by whom life comes.

 

[Insight]

I have life in the same word (Scriptures) as Christ did. Eph 6:17;1:13

It was that same Word that raised Jesus Acts 13:30

It will be the same Word which will judge me John 12:48

I have had time to consider our vibrant discussion and come to the conclusion your zealous spirit for Christ (while admirable) caused you to make a poor judgment concerning the Holy Scriptures. I think in hind sight you would have better phrased your below comment.

Once again, your whole premise is wrong. All life comes from God, and all things were created in Christ, from him we draw life, not the scriptures.

Do the Scriptures come from God?

Was it not the Word which became flesh created in Christ?

From that living Word in Christ do not the Scriptures provides us the Wisdom to be in him, to enjoy fellowship? to know John 17:3 to understand salvation? To be enlightened by them? Psa 119:130

I think I have made my point very clear.

The Bible is essential for gaining Wisdom, for encouragement, for edification, for learning, for rebuke, for teaching, for loving our bothers, for providing a light through gentile darkness.

It can be summed up with Phil 2:5 which of course are the innumerable principles hidden in the Word of Life...its called and Bible - the Holy Book - Separate Book - A companion through life that teaches us Christ is in the Midst of Us - and yes Prentis a book is written to memorialise this fact. Mal 3:16

I really hope the next post elevates the importance of God’s word and you show an appreciation of the lives lost to bring it to you. I am sure Tyndale would have defended His Book even more than I.

God Bless.

Insight

 

[Insight]

When we read the Scriptures there are a number of tips which will help you glean deeper truth and unlock the hidden wisdom therein.

We Read the Bible to do the following:

1. to become familiar with the narrative.
2. to decide on the central theme.
3. to establish the main divisions and sections
4. to find key words, phrases and ideas
5. to discover Bible echoes and allusions.
6. to compare with other reliable translations.
7. to confirm the meaning from the flow of context.

Of course the overarching reason is to draw nearer to God through Christ, but mechanically speaking we do this through not becoming intellectual but by deepening our Spiritual reasoning just as Jesus and the Apostles revealed through their many teachings.

Contextual studiers of the Word will gain greater depth to their understanding; for we must believe there is always deeper far reaching lessons hidden beneath the record. God’s Wisdom is past finding out and one must appreciate His depth and its discovery.

That we... May be able to comprehend with all saints what is the breadth, and length, and depth, and height; And to know the love of Christ, which passeth knowledge, that ye might be filled with all the fulness of God. (Ephesians 3:18-19)

Of course the Holy Scriptures (2 Tim 3:15) are able to provide us the comprehension and the knowing, but one must look into the Word of Life where all treasures of Wisdom and Knowledge are found Col 2:3

And thankfully Jesus Christ has left us his Fathers Word to that end.

Insight

 

[Jake]

Insight,

We worship God Himself, you are worshipping the written word, it is truth, that leads us to THE TRUTH!

You're treating the Bible like it's the 4th member of the Trinity.

Can a person be saved without the written word? YES

God saves, not the Bible.

 

[jiggyfly]

Contextual studiers of the Word will gain greater depth to their understanding; for we must believe there is always deeper far reaching lessons hidden beneath the record. God’s Wisdom is past finding out and one must appreciate His depth and its discovery.

That we... May be able to comprehend with all saints what is the breadth, and length, and depth, and height; And to know the love of Christ, which passeth knowledge, that ye might be filled with all the fulness of God. (Ephesians 3:18-19)

Insight

Insight, the "to know" in Eph. 3:19 is not intellectual, it is experiential, note the "which passeth knowledge". The knowledge of Christ's love is not something that is obtained from reading a book, even if it is the bible, it must be experienced otherwise it would just be virtual and religious.

 

[Prentis]

Insight, the "to know" in Eph. 3:19 is not intellectual, it is experiential, note the "which passeth knowledge". The knowledge of Christ's love is not something that is obtained from reading a book, even if it is the bible, it must be experienced otherwise it would just be virtual and religious.

Good post... This brings us to the core of the issue. Christ is to be experienced, HE is the word of God, we are to know him experientially.

Unless we understand what John talks about in 1 John 1:1-4, we cannot understand the work of the Spirit.

 

[Insight]

Insight, the "to know" in Eph. 3:19 is not intellectual, it is experiential, note the "which passeth knowledge". The knowledge of Christ's love is not something that is obtained from reading a book, even if it is the bible, it must be experienced otherwise it would just be virtual and religious.

Agreed, but where did this knowing begin? Where is it roots? How did the experience which passeth knowledge come about?

2 Tim 3:15

Sorry, you cannot avoid this truth. Everything spiritual draws back to Gods spoken word.

Insight,

We worship God Himself, you are worshipping the written word, it is truth, that leads us to THE TRUTH!

You're treating the Bible like it's the 4th member of the Trinity.

Can a person be saved without the written word? YES

God saves, not the Bible.

No Jake,

The Word is manisfested in and through what?

1. God Himself speaks and it is done
2. Angels work by it
3. Jesus was the Word (Scriptures) made Flesh and dwelt among us
4. Your Hope and Faith came as a result of knowing Gods Word
5. All Creation came about how? By the Word of His Power.

The Written Scriptures are nothing of themselves but they come to life when they enter the heart andmind of a willing subject. And it is only through the Word of God that one can ever obtain God's Likeness.

You are behaving like Prentis thinking I am speaking about ink of a page.

Clearly you miss the point of 2 Tim 3:15

Insight

 

[Prentis]

Life comes from Christ. The scriptures confirm his work and tell us of it.

[sup]16[/sup]All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness:

The word is wielded by the Spirit, and by the man who walks according to the Spirit.

Don't get me wrong, the scriptures are a great tool, but as Christ himself, the living word, tells us, it is not from them that life comes, but from HIM, it is the spirit that quickens. The word confirms it's working and teaches us about it, so that we might experience it.

 

[Insight]

Life comes from Christ. The scriptures confirm his work and tell us of it.

[sup]16[/sup]All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness:

The word is wielded by the Spirit, and by the man who walks according to the Spirit.

Don't get me wrong, the scriptures are a great tool, but as Christ himself, the living word, tells us, it is not from them that life comes, but from HIM, it is the spirit that quickens. The word confirms it's working and teaches us about it, so that we might experience it.

Prentis,

Hear is another example of you confusing the source of Power.

The red text is your point, however you provide the blue text to support?

Now Paul and Jesus were of one mind that the Source of the Word; Spirit;Truth; Power; Holy Spirit ALL came from God alone.

Now due to your wrong understanding of God you confused where the Glory should go!

This is another example of you mixing the persons of God and Jesus Christ.

It would be like you calling me Prentis; though you sent me with a personal message to fulfill a task, we are together one in purpose, but if I came back and sat next to you we are still two different persons though you gave me the authority power etc to fulfill my task.

Insight

 

[Prentis]

The verse I gave you shows forth that this scripture is wielded, as someone exhorts, corrects, etc.

The word is valuable. But it is the Spirit which quickens, and without the work of the Spirit, we cannot understand the word.

 

[Insight]

The Word is from the Spirit Mind/Power of God...they come from a single ALL POWERFUL GOD.

Your study of the Bible should bring you to this knowledge; that there is one God, supreme Spirit in power, wisdom, righteousness and goodness. He is a Person; James says we are made in the image of God even the Father (James 3:9)

Once you come to understand God's person which by the way is supported by the words of Gabriel that he stands in the presence of God (Luke 1:19), and by the knowledge that the Lord Jesus is at the right hand of the Father.

He is a real Person, existing at the centre of His universe, attended by His angelic host and who has the son at his right hand side.

Of God's being Prentis you are given one simple, profound statement by Jesus:

"God (is) Spirit" (John 4:24).

It is a statement for us to believe, that God is essentially Spirit. We can only know something of what Spirit is by its manifestations.

The Spirit of God manifests itself through many ways and means.

The outflowing from God is Spirit power, as Spirit Of light from a source; this is the Spirit of God. By His Spirit all things are in His presence: "Whither shall I go from Thy presence? . . . . Yea, the darkness hideth not from Thee but the night shineth as the day" Ps. 139:7,12.


By His Spirit all things exist: "And the Spirit of God moved upon the face of the waters. And God said, Let there be light: and there was light" (Gen. 1, 2, 3).


By His Spirit all things are sustained: "If He gather unto Himself His spirit and His breath; all flesh shall perish together, and man shall turn again to His dust" (Job 34: 14-15).


"Thou sendest forth Thy spirit, they are created: and Thou renewest the face of the earth" (Ps. 104:30).


Now distinct from the Spirit creating and Holy Spirit sustaining the natural world, His Spirit also operates to fulfil His spiritual purpose in creation. John says this purpose was to bring life: the life of God in men, first morally, then physically. His Spirit operating to this end is called Holy Spirit. All divine activity advancing this purpose is by Holy Spirit: Spirit set apart, as it were, for this purpose; Spirit that is working towards sanctification.

Now we are told, are we not, that the Holy Spirit worked through men of old to bring us the Word? 2 Peter1:21