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VictoryinJesus

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He certainly did not help the situation by giving actual miracles an allegorical interpretation. And the title of this thread does not express what is actually being presented in the OP, nor in the other posts, nor in your post. So let's hear about the actual meaning of the title of this thread.

study to show thyself approved unto God, a workman that needs not be ashamed
2 Timothy 2:14-19

Who are we supposed to study if not: take My yoke upon you, learn of Me?


Matthew 11:28-30 Come unto me, all ye that labour and are heavy laden, and I will give you rest. [29] Take my yoke upon you, and learn of me; for I am meek and lowly in heart: and ye shall find rest unto your souls. [30] For my yoke is easy, and my burden is light.

John 5:39-40 Search the scriptures; for in them ye think ye have eternal life: and they are they which testify of me. [40] And ye will not come to me, that ye might have life.
 

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What sounded like a young man started atacking the Bible.
He called it a fairy tale, a fiction, talking about Jesus walking on water.
He sounded very angry.
Revisiting your earlier post. A while back I was on an atheist sight to read about their arguments. They also brought up His walking on water. I can relate to their eye-rolling because growing up, I always felt like the Bible was a bunch of unbelievable fairytales. Like Santa. But His walking on water doesn’t seem like a fairytale any longer with all the verses of how he put all things under him…how the raging sea is stilled and calmed underneath his feet, how he rebukes the temptress and is above the proud waves…it no longer sounds fictional, His calling Peter to come to Him upon the waters…

people may scoff, thinking I’m saying Jesus didn’t literally walk on water. That is not what I’m saying at all…I’m only saying if what seemed once bogus to me became “wow. It is not a fable.” By God’s not simply having His Son walk on water but could it be a prophecy of “all things will be put underneath His feet”? But if you share that all things will be put underneath His feet on an atheist site …most likely they will laugh considering you brainwashed.
 
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Revisiting your earlier post. A while back I was on an atheist sight to read about their arguments. They also brought up His walking on water. I can relate to their eye-rolling because growing up, I always felt like the Bible was a bunch of unbelievable fairytales. Like Santa. But His walking on water doesn’t seem like a fairytale any longer with all the verses of how he put all things under him…how the raging sea is stilled and calmed underneath his feet, how he rebukes the temptress and is above the proud waves…it no longer sounds fictional, His calling Peter to come to Him upon the waters…

people may scoff, thinking I’m saying Jesus didn’t literally walk on water. That is not what I’m saying at all…I’m only saying if what seemed once bogus to me became “wow. It is not a fable.” By God’s not simply having His Son walk on water but could it be a prophecy of “all things will be put underneath His feet”? But if you share that all things will be put underneath His feet on an atheist site …most likely they will laugh considering you brainwashed.
I believe it is an allegory. I believe the waters represent what they represent in Revelation. The peoples, nations, and tongues.
And Peter wanted to walk with Jesus upon those waters. But he was lacking faith and started to sink until he reached out and took hold of Jesus.
I wouldn't say it's a fairytale, but like you say, a prophecy.
I believe everything in the bible is meant spiritually. It supposed to speak to the spirit not to the carnal mind.
But we read it and understand it carnally, until you look beyond the material world.
But there are also carnal solid material truths, but these are the touchables, the tasteables.
These material things is what most christians tend to have disagreements about.
The tangibles.
Should a woman speak in the church, should a man have long hair... yadda yadda yadda.
On the surface it concerns the outward appearance of a material church.
But understood spiritually it has a much deeper meaning.
Not everyone can see both sides of the coin.
It takes training and studying. Some get it right away. It took me 12+ years before I understood that bread meant the word of God.
It's one thing to read it, it's another thing to understand spiritually what you are reading.
Sometimes everything in the bible looks material to me. But then I go looking for that which is the hidden manna buried underneath.
Somethings come easy, other things take years to understand.
And people get upset because we all don't see or understand the vert same things, the very same way.
And that's where patience comes in. And willing to let something go rather than go to war over it.
In time.. things have a way of revealing themselves to different people in different ways.
I Love the mystery of it. I love searching for that hidden meaning.
I know it's there because I keep finding them.
If Paul was to write about every allegory he found in the scriptures, we'd never get to the end of the letters.
But he gave us the hints on how to look for them. And the Bible inteprets itself.
The keys to life are hid in both the old and the new Testaments.
The old unlocks the new and the new unlocks the old.
I was looking up.."My burden is light"
Interesting study to do there.. I may get to it someday.. lol

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“I dont know anything. Ever. It’s really quite relaxing.” Dirk Gently
To him who overcomes, I will give some of the hidden manna (what is it?) to eat
Manna is God's word. Hidden manna is God's word yet to be revealed.
Not that all of God's word isn't already revealed, it is. But it's up to the individual to find it.
That's where studying and showing oneself approved, meditating on the word, prayer..
all these working together to "lift the veil" that hides the spiritual truths.

In the OT and in Revelation, I think it's Jeremiah. God gives him a little book to eat..
I'll find it:
It's Ezekiel:
Eze 3:1 Moreover he said unto me, Son of man, eat that thou findest; eat this roll, and go speak unto the house of Israel.
Eze 3:2 So I opened my mouth, and he caused me to eat that roll.
Eze 3:3 And he said unto me, Son of man, cause thy belly to eat, and fill thy bowels with this roll that I give thee. Then did I eat it; and it was in my mouth as honey for sweetness.
Eze 3:4 And he said unto me, Son of man, go, get thee unto the house of Israel, and speak with my words unto them.

Rev 10:7 But in the days of the voice of the seventh angel, when he shall begin to sound, the mystery of God should be finished, as he hath declared to his servants the prophets.
Rev 10:8 And the voice which I heard from heaven spake unto me again, and said, Go and take the little book which is open in the hand of the angel which standeth upon the sea and upon the earth.
Rev 10:9 And I went unto the angel, and said unto him, Give me the little book. And he said unto me, Take it, and eat it up; and it shall make thy belly bitter, but it shall be in thy mouth sweet as honey.
Rev 10:10 And I took the little book out of the angel's hand, and ate it up; and it was in my mouth sweet as honey: and as soon as I had eaten it, my belly was bitter.
Rev 10:11 And he said unto me, Thou must prophesy again before many peoples, and nations, and tongues, and kings.

Now in the book of Ezekiel, God is sending him to speak to physical Israel.
In Revelation, God is sending John to speak to the world.

I'm looking at this "manna" set on a plate before me.
And these two things look the same, but something is different.
Ezekiel is told to eat the roll, and when he did it was sweet to the taste.
When John is given the book to eat, not only is it sweet to the taste, but now it is bitter in the belly.

Maybe sometimes vengence is sweet.
Jonah was angry with God because he felt that these people in Nineveh were so bad, that God should not have made a way for them to escape judgment. He sat on the hill waiting for God to fulfill the word that he was sent to tell them.
You got 40 days and God is going to rain hell on you!
And he waited.. and he waited.. when they repented and God turned from judging them, Jonah got mad.

On the other hand we have John.
John is in this new age. This whole new world where MERCY is prefered over judgement.
He understands the people are evil and wicked and deserves vengence and punishment.
But something is different with John. He feels sympathy, he feels compassion.
And knowing what is about to come upon the world makes him sick to his stomach.

I'm just seeing this for the first time.
I could be way off here.
But this is how I search for "hidden manna" in God's word.
I read it, I chew on it, I think about it, and I digest it.
Sometimes what I find is sweet and light, other times what I find is heavy and burdensome.
Jesus says to take his yoke upon us and learn of him, and that his burden is light.
Although sometimes I find mercy can have a tangible weight on ones soul.
I'd rather be burdened with Love, than unburdened with hate.

Just thinking..
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Manna is God's word
well, you might believe that, ok
but id keep an open mind there fwiw
Not that all of God's word isn't already revealed, it is.
ah well i guess we have different defs of "Word" too; prolly not to unusual though i guess

again, i would keep an open mind, and not be too convinced of my own facts there :D
meditating on the word
Bible Search: meditating on the word (biblescan.com)
may i suggest that there is a reason that that concept cannot be Quoted...
 
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the hidden person of the heart, with the imperishable quality of a gentle and quiet spirit.
this gentle and quiet spirit reminds me of Christ. To me it a promise that to drink of His Spirit those thirsty will never thirst again. What is to eat of the hidden manna? What is give us Lord our daily bread? What is a “white stone”? What is “a new name written” where is this new name written? could it be upon the heart, which new name no one knows except him who receives it? Receives what? Could it be which name no one knows —that which is precious in Gods sight—except He receives it? He came to his own, but they received Him not? What of the Matthew 19:11-12 But he said unto them, All men cannot receive this saying, save they to whom it is given. [12] For there are some eunuchs, which were so born from their mother's womb: and there are some eunuchs, which were made eunuchs of men: and there be eunuchs, which have made themselves eunuchs for the kingdom of heaven's sake. He that is able to receive it, let him receive it.
Revelation 2:17 He that hath an ear, let him hear what the Spirit saith unto the churches; To him that overcometh will I give to eat of the hidden manna, and will give him a white stone, and in the stone a new name written, which no man knoweth saving he that receiveth it.



Proverbs 28:11 Lexicon: The rich man is wise in his own eyes, But the poor who has understanding sees through him.

Proverbs 28:12 Lexicon: When the righteous triumph, there is great glory, But when the wicked rise, men hide themselves.

Proverbs 28:13 Lexicon: He who conceals his transgressions will not prosper, But he who confesses and forsakes them will find compassion.

Proverbs 28:14 Lexicon: How blessed is the man who fears always, But he who hardens his heart will fall into calamity.
 
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the hidden person of the heart, with the imperishable quality of a gentle and quiet spirit.
this gentle and quiet spirit reminds me of Christ. To me it a promise that to drink of His Spirit those thirsty will never thirst again. What is to eat of the hidden manna? What is give us Lord our daily bread? What is a “white stone”? What is “a new name written” where is this new name written? could it be upon the heart, which new name no one knows except him who receives it? Receives what? Could it be which name no one knows —that which is precious in Gods sight—except He receives it? He came to his own, but they received Him not? What of the Matthew 19:11-12 But he said unto them, All men cannot receive this saying, save they to whom it is given. [12] For there are some eunuchs, which were so born from their mother's womb: and there are some eunuchs, which were made eunuchs of men: and there be eunuchs, which have made themselves eunuchs for the kingdom of heaven's sake. He that is able to receive it, let him receive it.
Revelation 2:17 He that hath an ear, let him hear what the Spirit saith unto the churches; To him that overcometh will I give to eat of the hidden manna, and will give him a white stone, and in the stone a new name written, which no man knoweth saving he that receiveth it.



Proverbs 28:11 Lexicon: The rich man is wise in his own eyes, But the poor who has understanding sees through him.

Proverbs 28:12 Lexicon: When the righteous triumph, there is great glory, But when the wicked rise, men hide themselves.

Proverbs 28:13 Lexicon: He who conceals his transgressions will not prosper, But he who confesses and forsakes them will find compassion.

Proverbs 28:14 Lexicon: How blessed is the man who fears always, But he who hardens his heart will fall into calamity.

when speaking of “hidden manna”
this is just an opinion of what it says to me.
Isaiah 45:2-8 Is spoken to Cyrus… but I’ve always wondered if it was a promise to Christ because those things were given to Him (Imo) in “prepare the way of the Lord” where the crooked will be made straight, the gates of brass broken to pieces, the bars of iron cut asunder…treasure in weak vessels… “I will give unto you the hidden riches in secret places” …this (Imo) is seen in the NT when one comes in and falls on their knees saying “God is in you of a truth” and “the secrets of his heart are made manifest”. I will give you the hidden manna …is there treasure hidden in darkness,is there riches hidden in secret places? Makes me think of Paul saying “until Christ be formed in you” “You are my joy of rejoicing” ….those who love His appearing, what is the “Hidden manna” I will give to those who receive it?
I will go before thee, and make the crooked places straight: I will break in pieces the gates of brass, and cut in sunder the bars of iron: [3] And I will give thee the treasures of darkness, and hidden riches of secret places, that thou mayest know that I, the Lord, which call thee by thy name, am the God of Israel. [4] For Jacob my servant's sake, and Israel mine elect, I have even called thee by thy name: I have surnamed thee, though thou hast not known me. [5] I am the Lord, and there is none else, there is no God beside me: I girded thee, though thou hast not known me: [6] That they may know from the rising of the sun, and from the west, that there is none beside me. I am the Lord, and there is none else. [7] I form the light, and create darkness: I make peace, and create evil: I the Lord do all these things. [8] Drop down, ye heavens, from above, and let the skies pour down righteousness: let the earth open, and let them bring forth salvation, and let righteousness spring up together; I the Lord have created it.
 
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To him who overcomes, I will give some of the hidden manna (what is it?) to eat

a question I had last night while going to sleep was concerning letting the tares grow with the wheat unless you uproot both. Maybe off topic, but maybe not in regard to the hidden person of the heart. I was wondering would God allow both to grow together? When considering what I’ve seen you mention about the tares…the closest verse that came to my mind about letting the tares and wheat spring up together is
Romans 14:8-15 For whether we live, we live unto the Lord; and whether we die, we die unto the Lord: whether we live therefore, or die, we are the Lord's. [9] For to this end Christ both died, and rose, and revived, that he might be Lord both of the dead and living. [10] But why dost thou judge thy brother? or why dost thou set at nought thy brother? for we shall all stand before the judgment seat of Christ. [11] For it is written, As I live, saith the Lord, every knee shall bow to me, and every tongue shall confess to God. [12] So then every one of us shall give account of himself to God. [13] Let us not therefore judge one another any more: but judge this rather, that no man put a stumblingblock or an occasion to fall in his brother's way. [14] I know, and am persuaded by the Lord Jesus, that there is nothing unclean of itself: but to him that esteemeth any thing to be unclean, to him it is unclean. [15] But if thy brother be grieved with thy meat, now walkest thou not charitably. Destroy not him with thy meat, for whom Christ died.

why doesn’t Paul just bully right in and tell his brother all that is wrong in him? “I need to pluck, root up, all the tares?”
 
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a question I had last night while going to sleep was concerning letting the tares grow with the wheat unless you uproot both. Maybe off topic, but maybe not in regard to the hidden person of the heart. I was wondering would God allow both to grow together? When considering what I’ve seen you mention about the tares…the closest verse that came to my mind about letting the tares and wheat spring up together is
Romans 14:8-15 For whether we live, we live unto the Lord; and whether we die, we die unto the Lord: whether we live therefore, or die, we are the Lord's. [9] For to this end Christ both died, and rose, and revived, that he might be Lord both of the dead and living. [10] But why dost thou judge thy brother? or why dost thou set at nought thy brother? for we shall all stand before the judgment seat of Christ. [11] For it is written, As I live, saith the Lord, every knee shall bow to me, and every tongue shall confess to God. [12] So then every one of us shall give account of himself to God. [13] Let us not therefore judge one another any more: but judge this rather, that no man put a stumblingblock or an occasion to fall in his brother's way. [14] I know, and am persuaded by the Lord Jesus, that there is nothing unclean of itself: but to him that esteemeth any thing to be unclean, to him it is unclean. [15] But if thy brother be grieved with thy meat, now walkest thou not charitably. Destroy not him with thy meat, for whom Christ died.

why doesn’t Paul just bully right in and tell his brother all that is wrong in him? “I need to pluck, root up, all the tares?”
ya, i guess our right eyes all need some plucking huh
 
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ya, i guess our right eyes all need some plucking huh

I think I understand what you mean…but maybe not, because a lot of times what someone means is the opposite of what I think they mean.
That though about letting the tares and wheat grow together that you don’t destroying Christ…convicted me. Thinking about Paul saying if you go and start attacking another thinking you are removing tares…you act not with Charity but instead sin against Christ in also destroy the good seed sown in the heart. For example when we went to the fair last year and their was a group in the heart of the fair shouting out homosexuals God will destroy. Pushing many in the crowd further away from Christ. It convicted me because it made me consider how often I get frustrated thinking I know better what grows in another person, when most times I’m not even sure what is in my heart. Like getting frustrated with my mother, annoyed, impatient as if she imposes on my life being ninety. Deep in my heart it is there my annoyance with her as if she intentionally makes my life harder on purpose. Horrible yeah? But those thoughts, some ugly thoughts come up…like tares?
 
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Horrible yeah?
actually pretty normal, id say. Im dealing with that myself. But i mean imagine being ninety; ones whole world has basically passed away at that point—in most examples anyway; my mom stays pretty active—and i guess you are prolly her whole world right now, right? And while im strictly guessing here, your comments suggest that she feels qualified to lecture or dictate on the minutiae of daily life, i take it without being consulted, usually?

Fwiw i guess most ppl would just ship her off to somewhere, and imo you have assumed a huge burden in just keeping her around
But those thoughts, some ugly thoughts come up…like tares?
oh, prolly related, but i wouldnt be torturing myself over stray thoughts that arise, as long as you arent acting on them. Im pretty sure those are just the result of having prefrontal lobes; any and every thought might still arise, and it is just up to us to use the reins?

So tares might be more the thoughts that we have allowed to take root, maybe; the ones that we have allowed their psychoactive effects to proliferate. Believe it or not there are 90 year olds—many, even—who still lead an active life, require no caretaker, etc. And i feel for you there! Fwiw i guess it could be a lot worse, many in that generation are like mentally gone? Alzheimers, whatever? And i guess there are kids who take care of parents in that state too! I couldnt imagine, tbh
 
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