is doing sexual things with a boyfriend/girlfriend sin...

[Grailhunter]

Back during the time of the Hebrews before the law covenant the wedding itself, the central and characteristic feature was the solemn bringing of the bride from her father’s home to her husband’s home on the date agreed upon, in which act the significance of marriage as representing admission of the bride into the family of her husband found expression. (Matthew 1:24) This constituted the wedding in patriarchal days before the Law. There was no religious ceremony or form, and no priest or clergyman officiated or validated the marriage. The bridegroom took the bride to his house or to the tent or house of his parents. The matter was publicly made known, acknowledged, and recorded, and the marriage was binding.(Genesis 24:67)

Wrong again....find what Christ was talking about in Matthew....in the Old Testament.

67 Isaac brought her into the tent of his mother Sarah, and he married Rebekah. So she became his wife, and he loved her; and Isaac was comforted after his mother’s death......that is kinda kinky.....took her into his mother's tent and had sex with her.

You can read about what people did at a marriage celebration, but no Mosaic Law requiring a wedding ceremony or a celebration.

Some of it was just as simple as....a man "took" a wife....and that means sex.

I would say you need to do a study on marriage....but that ain't enough.

 

[shortangel]

you have free will to decide if that's what you want to do, pray & ask God for discernment,

 

[Pearl]

To those who say that I have a habit of resurrecting old threads, I say to them that sexual immorality is prevalent today and needs to be told to those who will listen not to agree with those that say it's ok in the eyes of the true God for a man and a woman who are not married to anyone to have sex with each other. Those who want to teach you that it's ok for unmarried people to have sex with each other want to spread the teaching that sexual immorality is ok in the eyes of the true God.

Immorality is, as you say, very prevalent in today's world - hence the number of women claiming abortion rights. But also in today's world - a world which does not follow Jewish tradition - being committed to a life-long partner does not need the services of a priest. As I said, that sort of wedding was ordained by the Catholic church for it's own ends - namely to keep control over people in order to take money from them.

 

[Jane_Doe22]

That was how it was done until the CC ordained that a priest was needed.
There is nobody in my family who have been 'married' before living together. No way was it immoral. And that isn't fornication or promiscuity but total commitment because we have all been with our individual partners forever. Married by mutual consent and eventually married by a registrar to make it legal for inheritance reasons etc.

I would point out that the act of actually saying “yes we are committed” and showing that commitment by saying “I do” getting married is important.

I see too many couples that live together and say that they are committed, but shy away from marriage because “well you never know..”.

 

[Pearl]

I would point out that the act of actually saying “yes we are committed” and showing that commitment by saying “I do” getting married is important.

I see too many couples that live together and say that they are committed, but shy away from marriage because “well you never know..”.

As i said, all my family started off without a wedding ceremony but we all eventually married our mates and are still married many years later. Not one of us has been promiscuous and not one of us has had an abortion or even thought about having one. We have all had children and are happy in our families. The trend started way back with my own parents back in the 1930s.

I know people will disagree with me here, many have before. I expect it.

 

[Jane_Doe22]

As i said, all my family started off without a wedding ceremony but we all eventually married our mates and are still married many years later. Not one of us has been promiscuous and not one of us has had an abortion or even thought about having one. We have all had children and are happy in our families. The trend started way back with my own parents back in the 1930s.

I know people will disagree with me here, many have before. I expect it.

For me, I just don’t understand the saying “we are committed” but not refusing to say “I do”. If you are truly commited, why do you not say “I do”? Why are you holding back? Especially for Christians.

 

[Grailhunter]

As i said, all my family started off without a wedding ceremony but we all eventually married our mates and are still married many years later. Not one of us has been promiscuous and not one of us has had an abortion or even thought about having one. We have all had children and are happy in our families. The trend started way back with my own parents back in the 1930s.

I know people will disagree with me here, many have before. I expect it.

Thanks for your honesty Pearl.
But you may be assuming that it is not true of a lot of marriages. Love first....marriage next.
Ya know if a marriage does not start out with a whole lot of love....it is not going to last anyway.
You talk about traditions, my mom and dad taught me to respect women and that children deserve to be raised in a family of love, where mom and dad love each other.
If I was in love with a lady and was sexually active....we would be actively planning a date and a weddings that would have the angels singing.

 

[Pearl]

For me, I just don’t understand the saying “we are committed” but not refusing to say “I do”. If you are truly commited, why do you not say “I do”? Why are you holding back? Especially for Christians.

We have said I do. I already explained that.

 

[farouk]

As i said, all my family started off without a wedding ceremony but we all eventually married our mates and are still married many years later. Not one of us has been promiscuous and not one of us has had an abortion or even thought about having one. We have all had children and are happy in our families. The trend started way back with my own parents back in the 1930s.

I know people will disagree with me here, many have before. I expect it.

@Pearl Do you think Christian moms should advise their daughters to tell their serious and steady bfs to have condoms ready?

 

[Jane_Doe22]

We have said I do. I already explained that.

By saying “I do” I mean to actually get married. Then move in together, have sex, and live as a committed couple.

I know it’s very common today for people to say “I’m committed to my boyfriend “, and live together like a married couple without actually getting married. I have many close friends whom walked that path, and did eventually actually commit with marriage and are very happy today. But I don’t find that to be the Lord’s way.

 

[Pearl]

By saying “I do” I mean to actually get married. Then move in together, have sex, and live as a committed couple.

I know it’s very common today for people to say “I’m committed to my boyfriend “, and live together like a married couple without actually getting married. I have many close friends whom walked that path, and did eventually actually commit with marriage and are very happy today. But I don’t find that to be the Lord’s way.

We ARE all married. I have been happily married for 50 years. And both my daughters for over 20 years.

And I do not have to justify my life to you.

 

[Jane_Doe22]

We ARE all married. I have been happily married for 50 years. And both my daughters for over 20 years.

And I do not have to justify my life to you.

I’m sorry if I offended- that was not my intention. Of course you don’t need to justify yourself to me.

I was also just stating my beliefs and understanding ( and lack thereof).

 

[Pearl]

I’m sorry if I offended- that was not my intention. Of course you don’t need to justify yourself to me.

I was also just stating my beliefs and understanding ( and lack thereof).

I was already married when I became a Christian so no sin involved.

 

[Jane_Doe22]

I became a Christian after I married so no sin involved.

You coming to Christ is awesome!

 

[Pearl]

You coming to Christ is awesome!

Yes it was over 44 years ago now. I fell in love with Jesus. I am his and he is mine.

 

[1stCenturyLady]

or fornication?

Read Karen Kingsbury books, especially the multiple series on the Baxter family. I wish these books were around when I was a teenager, I would have grown up with a better character and not had to live through regrets. I loved them all and I'm over 70!

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[BARNEY BRIGHT]

Barnity....that is a good name for your on fantasy religion.
first off you are not showing any scriptures but it would not matter because you would give me scriptures from the number one most inaccurate Bible in print.



If you are going to talk about the Greek language you need to learn about the Greek language, not make it up as you go.



No variation of word porneia means fornification.
The only meaning of the word porneia that defines sin for two unmarried people....is prostitution.

What I know, even though you will say it's not true is that you promote sexual immorality by refusing to acknowledge the true definition of porneia. Two single people today think its ok to have sex with one another and believe they are not breaking any of Gods commands. They don't think it's sexual immorality. They get such lies from people who say they know Gods word but then teach people who are two single people (man &woman) who have sex with one another haven't sinned against God.

 

[BARNEY BRIGHT]

Wrong again....find what Christ was talking about in Matthew....in the Old Testament.

67 Isaac brought her into the tent of his mother Sarah, and he married Rebekah. So she became his wife, and he loved her; and Isaac was comforted after his mother’s death......that is kinda kinky.....took her into his mother's tent and had sex with her.

You can read about what people did at a marriage celebration, but no Mosaic Law requiring a wedding ceremony or a celebration.

Some of it was just as simple as....a man "took" a wife....and that means sex.

I would say you need to do a study on marriage....but that ain't enough.

I find it interesting that you focus only on Genesis 24:67 and ignore all the scriptures before that, that's interesting.

 

[Grailhunter]

What I know, even though you will say it's not true is that you promote sexual immorality by refusing to acknowledge the true definition of porneia.

You do not know the definition of porneia. This is not a mystery. It only takes a little bit of knowledge and you do not have it. You promote false beliefs that hurts Christianity...an enemy of truth.

Two single people today think its ok to have sex with one another and believe they are not breaking any of Gods commands. They get such lies from people who say they know Gods word but then teach people who are two single people (man &woman) who have sex with one another haven't sinned against God.

I have never said that casual sex is not a sin, so again you twist what I say and twist the truth. What is the character of person that twist what people say and twist the truth?

 

[Grailhunter]

I find it interesting that you focus only on Genesis 24:67 and ignore all the scriptures before that, that's interesting.

I do not ignore scriptures, and unlike you, I know the scriptures. Jacob practiced witchcraft, practiced polygamy and concubinage. People do a tap dance to try to defend him but his whole life exhibited poor character. His life does not set an example for Christians to follow in their intimate relationships.