Acts 2:38 has been abandoned by Christianity

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The bottom line, Acts skipper, is that you think this...

38 Then Peter said unto them, Repent, and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins, and ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost.

Means this...

38 Then Peter said unto them, Repent, and be baptized BY THE HOLY GHOST, and ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost.


Which sounds ridiculous.

You preach that in public?

Do you preach that we must build an Ark to avoid a global flood?
That’s kind of how I see Acts 2:38.
You are making an instruction that applied to the Jews, and your enforcing those same words in Acts 2:38 upon Gentiles (when Peter did not use those same words with the Gentiles). In addition, 1 Corinthians 1:17 by the apostle Paul lets us know that he came not to baptize but to preach the gospel. Paul said we are to follow him (as he followed Christ).

 

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The Holy Ghost led them to water baptism in the name of Jesus for their remission of their sins.

It still does today.

For instance, the Holy Ghost is not given to charismatic Catholics today, to vindicate their beliefs, but to lead and guide them to the truth.

Same with Acts skippers.

Are you implying your Catholic or you are a part of the Roman Catholic Church?

 

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No, Acts 10 was the gentiles' turn.

Uh, your missing the point here.
Acts 2:38 was to the Jews who already believed in God.
Acts 10 was for the Gentiles (Cornelius and his family) and they were not told by Peter to repent and be baptized whereby they would receive the gift of the Holy Spirit. Peter was just telling them the gospel message of Jesus and the Spirit came upon the Gentiles with no water involved to make that happen. So out goes the door your theory that Gentile believers must be water baptized in order to receive the Spirit.

They were commanded to be baptized in the name of the Lord, which goes for gentile Acts skippers too.

Peter only commanded them to be baptized AFTER they received the Spirit by their believing the gospel message of Jesus.

 

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What I am saying is Acts skippers are as delirious as Biden, thinking Acts 2:38 says this....


38 Then Peter said unto them, Repent, and GET THE HOLY GHOST, and ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost.

Kamala Harris is also in Acts skipper territory with her word salads.

I think we should pray for our enemies or those we strongly disagree with and we strive to speak in love towards them.

 

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Where in the passage do you see that they were saved before OBEYING Acts 2:38?...

36 Therefore let all the house of Israel know assuredly, that God hath made the same Jesus, whom ye have crucified, both Lord and Christ.

37 Now when they heard this, they were pricked in their heart, and said unto Peter and to the rest of the apostles, Men and brethren, what shall we do?

38 Then Peter said unto them, Repent, and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins, and ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost.

Where?

Highlight it, please.

Thanks.

They were spiritually alive and sought spiritual instruction. So they were born again babes in Christ, desiring the sincere milk of the word.

 

[Truther]

No. I believe Jesus is saying that he that is baptized shall be saved but I believe our Lord was referring to Spirit baptism and not water baptism.

I see.

The same great commission per Mark 16 and Matt 28...

16 He that believeth and is baptized(WITH THE HOLY GHOST) shall be saved; but he that believeth not shall be damned....
........
19 So then after the Lord had spoken unto them, he was received up into heaven,...


19 Go ye therefore, and teach all nations, baptizing them(WITH THE HOLY GHOST) in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost:

20 Teaching them to observe all things whatsoever I have commanded you: and, lo, I am with you always, even unto the end of the world. Amen.



Nope, won't fit.

 

[Truther]

How on Earth you see water baptism in 1 Corinthians 6:11 is beyond me, friend.

Again, logic dictates that we have to deal with the words of Paul in 1 Corinthians 1:17. Paul says he came not to baptize, but to preach the gospel. Paul was an apostle. Paul said this long after Pentecost. Paul preached primarily to Gentiles. So his words carry more weight on this matter because of these points, and it simply shows that there was a change involving the topic of baptism.

How?....

The word "and".

'And" means "also".

A good ol fashioned English brush up can get you back in shape...


11 And such were some of you: but ye are washed, but ye are sanctified, but ye are justified in the name of the Lord Jesus, ...............................and........................ by the Spirit of our God.

2 entities

 

[Truther]

I explained Acts 2:38 using the Bible. So I am not skipping anything.
I believe Acts 2:38 applied to the Jews during that time (based on Peter’s past experience involving John the baptist’s water baptism even though the Lord changed water baptism to Spirit baptism after His resurrection.).
God can still get the glory, and or accomplish His will even if we may believe or act imperfectly.

I am also not into politics, and even if I was, I wouldn’t be democrat (seeing they hold to policies that are extremely against the Bible).

I also explained to you that Cornelius had received the gift of the Spirit without first being water baptized. You seemed to ignore that point. So you appear to be Acts skipping.

Also, you have to give a believable explanation on 1 Corinthians 1:17, as well. If not, your Corinthians skipping.

You teach Acts 2:38 "really" means this, right?...

38 Then Peter said unto them, Repent, and GET THE HOLY GHOST, and ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost.

Does that even make literary sense?

Can't you do better than that?

 

[Truther]

Do you preach that we must build an Ark to avoid a global flood?
That’s kind of how I see Acts 2:38.
You are making an instruction that applied to the Jews, and your enforcing those same words in Acts 2:38 upon Gentiles (when Peter did not use those same words with the Gentiles). In addition, 1 Corinthians 1:17 by the apostle Paul lets us know that he came not to baptize but to preach the gospel. Paul said we are to follow him (as he followed Christ).

Excellent observation.

Acts 2:38 is our "Ark" to save us...


20 Which sometime were disobedient, when once the longsuffering of God waited in the days of Noah, while the ark was a preparing, wherein few, that is, eight souls were saved by water.

21 The like figure whereunto even baptism doth also now save us (not the putting away of the filth of the flesh, but the answer of a good conscience toward God,) by the resurrection of Jesus Christ:

 

[Truther]

Are you implying your Catholic or you are a part of the Roman Catholic Church?

No, I am saying folks get the Holy Ghost in their current situation to lead them out of it.

Gays can even get the Holy Ghost, not to vindicate their situation, but to lead them out of it via Acts 2:38.

Mormons, JW's etc, too.

The Holy Ghost must come and deliver sinners to remission of sins via Acts 2:38.

The problem is when folks get the Holy Ghost and park it in their current situation and say "God is justifying their beliefs and lifestyles".

 

[Truther]

Uh, your missing the point here.
Acts 2:38 was to the Jews who already believed in God.
Acts 10 was for the Gentiles (Cornelius and his family) and they were not told by Peter to repent and be baptized whereby they would receive the gift of the Holy Spirit. Peter was just telling them the gospel message of Jesus and the Spirit came upon the Gentiles with no water involved to make that happen. So out goes the door your theory that Gentile believers must be water baptized in order to receive the Spirit.



Peter only commanded them to be baptized AFTER they received the Spirit by their believing the gospel message of Jesus.

How silly.

The murderers of Jesus in Acts 2 were commanded to be baptized in the name of Jesus for the remission of their sins before recieving the Holy Ghost and the gentiles in Acts 10 were commanded baptism in the name of Jesus after recieving the Holy Ghost.

What's the difference as long as you get both anyway?

This is nit picking Acts.

Acts skippers do that, ya know.

 

[Truther]

I think we should pray for our enemies or those we strongly disagree with and we strive to speak in love towards them.

My enemy is the devil and his minions that let him mess with our Bibles.

I am not very political, but very into scriptural order.

 

[Truther]

They were spiritually alive and sought spiritual instruction. So they were born again babes in Christ, desiring the sincere milk of the word.

Exactly when were the 3000 simultaneously and instantly alive spiritually in the passage?...

36 Therefore let all the house of Israel know assuredly, that God hath made the same Jesus, whom ye have crucified, both Lord and Christ.

37 Now when they heard this, they were pricked in their heart, and said unto Peter and to the rest of the apostles, Men and brethren, what shall we do?

38 Then Peter said unto them, Repent, and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins, and ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost.


Highlight it, please.

 

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The murderers of Jesus in Acts 2 were commanded to be baptized in the name of Jesus for the remission of their sins before recieving the Holy Ghost and the gentiles in Acts 10 were commanded baptism in the name of Jesus after recieving the Holy Ghost.

What's the difference as long as you get both anyway?

This is nit picking Acts.

Acts skippers do that, ya know.

I agree. There are times where one is listening to the preaching of Jesus and faith is present begins to get excited whereby the person receives the Holy Spirit before ever being baptized.

However, one must be Born Again, of water and Spirit and is why the person is COMMANDED to be baptized...

Acts 10:44 While Peter yet spake these words, the Holy Ghost fell on all them which heard the word.
[45] And they of the circumcision which believed were astonished, as many as came with Peter, because that on the Gentiles also was poured out the gift of the Holy Ghost.
[47] Can any man forbid water, that these should not be baptized, which have received the Holy Ghost as well as we?
[48] And he commanded them to be baptized in the name of the Lord. Then prayed they him to tarry certain days.

 

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Exactly when were the 3000 simultaneously and instantly alive spiritually in the passage?...

36 Therefore let all the house of Israel know assuredly, that God hath made the same Jesus, whom ye have crucified, both Lord and Christ.

37 Now when they heard this, they were pricked in their heart, and said unto Peter and to the rest of the apostles, Men and brethren, what shall we do?

38 Then Peter said unto them, Repent, and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins, and ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost.


Highlight it, please.

Jesus Christ poured His Spirit upon them Acts 2:14-21

14 But Peter, standing up with the eleven, lifted up his voice, and said unto them, Ye men of Judaea, and all ye that dwell at Jerusalem, be this known unto you, and hearken to my words:

15 For these are not drunken, as ye suppose, seeing it is but the third hour of the day.

16 But this is that which was spoken by the prophet Joel;

17 And it shall come to pass in the last days, saith God, I will pour out of my Spirit upon all flesh: and your sons and your daughters shall prophesy, and your young men shall see visions, and your old men shall dream dreams:

18 And on my servants and on my handmaidens I will pour out in those days of my Spirit; and they shall prophesy:

19 And I will shew wonders in heaven above, and signs in the earth beneath; blood, and fire, and vapour of smoke:

20 The sun shall be turned into darkness, and the moon into blood, before the great and notable day of the Lord come:

21 And it shall come to pass, that whosoever shall call on the name of the Lord shall be saved.

After the Spirit quickens them to Life, they mourn for him whom they pierced as spoken also by Zech 12:7-10

7 The Lord also shall save the tents of Judah first, that the glory of the house of David and the glory of the inhabitants of Jerusalem do not magnify themselves against Judah.

8 In that day shall the Lord defend the inhabitants of Jerusalem; and he that is feeble among them at that day shall be as David; and the house of David shall be as God, as the angel of the Lord before them.

9 And it shall come to pass in that day, that I will seek to destroy all the nations that come against Jerusalem.

10 And I will pour upon the house of David, and upon the inhabitants of Jerusalem, the spirit of grace and of supplications: and they shall look upon me whom they have pierced, and they shall mourn for him, as one mourneth for his only son, and shall be in bitterness for him, as one that is in bitterness for his firstborn.

Thats why they were pricked in their heart as per Acts 2:37

Now when they heard this, they were pricked in their heart, and said unto Peter and to the rest of the apostles, Men and brethren, what shall we do?

They were under the control of the Spirit, they were born again, and sought instruction from Gods servants, they had been given repentance.

 

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I see.

The same great commission per Mark 16 and Matt 28...

16 He that believeth and is baptized(WITH THE HOLY GHOST) shall be saved; but he that believeth not shall be damned....
........
19 So then after the Lord had spoken unto them, he was received up into heaven,...


19 Go ye therefore, and teach all nations, baptizing them(WITH THE HOLY GHOST) in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost:

20 Teaching them to observe all things whatsoever I have commanded you: and, lo, I am with you always, even unto the end of the world. Amen.



Nope, won't fit.

While Matthew 28, and Mark 16 are both referring to the great commission, and while they both sound similar, they are not exactly saying the same thing precisely.

Matthew 28:18-20 says:
“And Jesus came and spake unto them, saying, All power is given unto me in heaven and in earth. Go ye therefore, and teach all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost: Teaching them to observe all things whatsoever I have commanded you: and, lo, I am with you alway, even unto the end of the world. Amen.”

Mark 16:15-18 says:
“And he said unto them, Go ye into all the world, and preach the gospel to every creature. He that believeth and is baptized shall be saved; but he that believeth not shall be damned. And these signs shall follow them that believe; In my name shall they cast out devils; they shall speak with new tongues; They shall take up serpents; and if they drink any deadly thing, it shall not hurt them; they shall lay hands on the sick, and they shall recover.”

Matthew 28 - All power is given unto me in heaven and in earth.
Mark 16 - This saying is absent in Mark.

Matthew 28 - Go, and teach all nations.
Mark - Go into all the world and preach the gospel to every creature.
They are similar but not exactly the same.

Being told to go out unto all nations, and to go out into the world are the same.
However, to be told to teach all nations and to preach the gospel to every creature are two different things.
Teaching whatever Jesus commanded them vs. preaching the gospel is a different set of instructions.

Matthew 28 - Teach them to observe all things whatever I commanded you.
Mark 16 - This saying is absent in Mark.

Matthew 28 - I am with you always even unto the end of the world.
Mark 16 - This saying is absent in Mark.

Mark 16 - These signs shall follow them that believe, in my name they shall cast out devils, they shall speak with new tongues, they shall take up serpents, and if they drink any deadly thing, it shall not hurt them, and they shall lay hands on the sick, and they shall recover.
Matthew 28 - This saying is absent in Matthew.

The points on baptism are different in both Matthew and Mark.

Notice.

Matthew 28
Go ye therefore and teach all nations baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost.

Mark 16
Go ye all into the world and preach the gospel to every creature. He that believes and is baptized shall be saved, but he that believes not shall be damned.

The point on baptism is different and not the same.

In Matthew: The point on baptism is on baptizing in the name of the Father, Son, and Holy Ghost.
In Mark: The point on baptism is believing and being baptized to show one is saved, and if one believes not they are damned.

You may disagree, but seeing the points on baptism are different between Matthew, and Mark, I interpret them each differently in regards to their mention on baptism.

In Matthew 28, I believe that the teaching of all nations is to immerse (or wash) them in the name of the Father, Son, and Holy Ghost. The teaching part is what baptizes (i.e. immerses or washes) them in the name (or the authority of) the different persons of the Godhead or Trinity.

In Mark, I believe Jesus is saying that he that believes and is baptized into the Holy Spirit shall be saved. This makes sense because believing happens first and then one is gifted with the Spirit (Spirit baptism) afterwards. The person who does not believe automatically will not be Spirit baptized because of their unbelief. One needs to believe in order to have the gift of the Spirit.

 

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How?....

The word "and".

'And" means "also".

A good ol fashioned English brush up can get you back in shape...


11 And such were some of you: but ye are washed, but ye are sanctified, but ye are justified in the name of the Lord Jesus, ...............................and........................ by the Spirit of our God.

2 entities

The Lord our God is one God and yet He also exists as three distinct persons.
So in the Trinity (as taught in the Bible), God is not 2 separate entities. The Lord our God is one God. Are two persons of the Godhead mentioned in this verse? Yes. Are two entities mentioned in this verse? No. Anyways, I fail to see how this point proves your case on Acts 2:38.

 

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My enemy is the devil and his minions that let him mess with our Bibles.

I think that when Jesus says we are to love our enemies, I think he meant human enemies and not the devil.

I am not very political, but very into scriptural order.

Yet, you appear to speak about politics at times.

 

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How silly.

The murderers of Jesus in Acts 2 were commanded to be baptized in the name of Jesus for the remission of their sins before recieving the Holy Ghost and the gentiles in Acts 10 were commanded baptism in the name of Jesus after recieving the Holy Ghost.

What's the difference as long as you get both anyway?

This is nit picking Acts.

Acts skippers do that, ya know.

I don’t believe it is nitpicking. It’s simply looking at the facts. The Holy Spirit came upon Cornelius without first being water baptized. This proves that the statement in Acts 2:38 is not meant to be a universal unending truth. Acts 10 proves this fact. Meaning, you don’t have to be baptized in order to receive the gift of the Spirit because we know by Scripture that Cornelius and his household received the Spirit without first being water baptized. It does not matter if Cornelius and his household was baptized later. That would be simply an additional thing done despite the Spirit being gifted beforehand.

 

[Truther]

I agree. There are times where one is listening to the preaching of Jesus and faith is present begins to get excited whereby the person receives the Holy Spirit before ever being baptized.

However, one must be Born Again, of water and Spirit and is why the person is COMMANDED to be baptized...

Acts 10:44 While Peter yet spake these words, the Holy Ghost fell on all them which heard the word.
[45] And they of the circumcision which believed were astonished, as many as came with Peter, because that on the Gentiles also was poured out the gift of the Holy Ghost.
[47] Can any man forbid water, that these should not be baptized, which have received the Holy Ghost as well as we?
[48] And he commanded them to be baptized in the name of the Lord. Then prayed they him to tarry certain days.

Acts skippers indeed forbid water and command folks NOT to be baptized in the name of the Lord.

They are in an alternate universe.