For Those Who Deny Jesus Christ IS Almighty God

[Charlie24]

Then whose will did God Himself come down from heaven to do... and actually you do have to explain it.. you are bound by scripture to do so...

Titus 1:9-16 "9Holding fast the faithful word as he hath been taught, that he may be able by sound doctrine both to exhort and to convince the gainsayers.10 For there are many unruly and vain talkers and deceivers, specially they of the circumcision: 11 Whose mouths must be stopped, who subvert whole houses, teaching things which they ought not, for filthy lucre's sake.12 One of themselves, even a prophet of their own, said, The Cretians are alway liars, evil beasts, slow bellies. 13 This witness is true. Wherefore rebuke them sharply, that they may be sound in the faith; 14 Not giving heed to Jewish fables, and commandments of men, that turn from the truth. 15 Unto the pure all things are pure: but unto them that are defiled and unbelieving is nothing pure; but even their mind and conscience is defiled. 16 They profess that they know God; but in works they deny him, being abominable, and disobedient, and unto every good work reprobate. "

care to rethink your position?? or is scripture wrong???

LOL, as if it hasn't been explained several times and in several different ways!

Is it that you can't understand or won't understand, that you keep asking over and over an already answered question?

 

[True Faith]

LOL, as if it hasn't been explained several times and in several different ways!

Is it that you can't understand or won't understand, that you keep asking over and over an already answered question?

point in fact... you have not answer the question... you have explained how you think the bible tells you that Jesus is God Himself, yet you cannot explain how God Himself would ever tell a lie...

 

[Charlie24]

point in fact... you have not answer the question... you have explained how you think the bible tells you that Jesus is God Himself, yet you cannot explain how God Himself would ever tell a lie...

Ok, TF! Your Sunday School lesson is over now. Thank all the good people who participated.

 

[True Faith]

Ok, TF! Your Sunday School lesson is over now. Thank all the good people who participated.

And where is it you explained how God would tell a lie??? or are you refusing to answer the question...

Whose will did God Himself come down from heaven to do, if not his own??

you haven't answered the question lol

 

[True Faith]

Ok, TF! Your Sunday School lesson is over now. Thank all the good people who participated.

I mean you said yourself you couldn't explain how God Himself would tell a lie and I never asked you how you believed Jesus was God....lol... complete deflection and flat out obfuscation...

Remember you have to answer the question or you are not abiding by scripture ...
Titus 1:9-16 " 9 Holding fast the faithful word as he hath been taught, that he may be able by sound doctrine both to exhort and to convince the gainsayers.10 For there are many unruly and vain talkers and deceivers, specially they of the circumcision: 11 Whose mouths must be stopped, who subvert whole houses, teaching things which they ought not, for filthy lucre's sake. 12 One of themselves, even a prophet of their own, said, The Cretians are alway liars, evil beasts, slow bellies. 13 This witness is true. Wherefore rebuke them sharply, that they may be sound in the faith; 14 Not giving heed to Jewish fables, and commandments of men, that turn from the truth. 15 Unto the pure all things are pure: but unto them that are defiled and unbelieving is nothing pure; but even their mind and conscience is defiled. 16 They profess that they know God; but in works they deny him, being abominable, and disobedient, and unto every good work reprobate."

 

[True Faith]

Jesus (who is God in the flesh - John 1:1, 14) came down from heaven, was born of a virgin, was fully human and did the will of His Father in heaven. Not hard to understand. Just hard for certain people to accept.

Actually I do not accept that God would ever lie as you claim he has because you say that Jesus is God Himself...

 

[True Faith]

Ok, TF! Your Sunday School lesson is over now. Thank all the good people who participated.

Still waiting on the explanation on how God would lie since you believe Jesus is God Himself, and scripture clearly states "That by two immutable things, in which it was impossible for God to lie, we might have a strong consolation, who have fled for refuge to lay hold upon the hope set before us:"

so do tell how God would lie when he said "For I have come down from heaven not to do mine own will but the will of him that sent me."

 

[Enoch111]

there is not a single verse in the 66 Books of the Holy Bible, that teaches the Father has "ultimate rule". This is speculation theology and against what the Bible actually says

That is not true. There is a "hierarchy" within the Godhead, although Father, Son, and Holy Spirit are all fully God. This is a mystery.

1. The Bible says that "the Head of" (or authority over) Christ is God the Father: But I would have you know, that the head of every man is Christ; and the head of the woman is the man; and the head of Christ is God. (1 Cor 11:3)

2. The Bible also says that ultimately Christ will hand everything back to God the Father and become "subject" to the Father: Then cometh the end, when he shall have delivered up the kingdom to God, even the Father; when he shall have put down all rule and all authority and power... And when all things shall be subdued unto him, then shall the Son also himself be subject unto him that put all things under him, that God may be all in all. (1 Cor 15:24,28)

 

[Charlie24]

Actually I do not accept that God would ever lie as you claim he has because you say that Jesus is God Himself...

Don't know where or how you received your foundation in scripture, but I can tell you that foundation is not built on biblical principles. None of us are right on everything, but that foundation must be built on Jesus Christ and Him crucified.

If that is the case, then John 14:25 will follow.

"But the Comforter, which is the Holy Ghost, whom the Father will send in my name, he shall teach you all things, and bring all things to your remembrance, whatsoever I have said unto you."

The Holy Spirit gave it to them, and they have given it to us. If we are grounded in the foundation of Christ crucified for the sins of the world, then He will make sure you are taught everyone to his ability in the truth.

 

[heartwashed]

That’s right. It does.

”1. The one God. (a) theos is the most frequent designation of God in the NT. Belief in the one, only and unique God (Matt. 23:9; Rom. 3:30; 1 Cor. 8:4,6; Gal. 3:20; 1 Tim. 2:5; Jas. 2:19) is an established part of Christian tradition. Jesus himself made the fundamental confession of Jud. his own and expressly quoted the Shema (Deut. 6:4-5; see Mk. 12:29-30; cf. Matt. 22:37; Lk. 10:27). This guaranteed continuity between the old and the new covenants. The God whom Christians worship is the God of the fathers (Acts 3:13; 5:30; 22:14), the God of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob (Acts 3:13; 7:32; cf. Matt. 22:32; Mk. 12:26; Lk. 20:37), the God of Israel (Matt. 15:31; Lk. 1:68; Acts 13:17), and the God of Jesus Christ (2 Cor. 1:3; Eph. 1:3; 1Pet. 1:3).”

(New International Dictionary of New Testament Theology, Abridged Edition, p. 244)



In saying so, I am!

Because of that, you will die in your sins if you do not ever repent (John 8:24).

It should be clear, if you accept the kjv as a valid translation of scripture, that in Hebrews 1:8-9, Jesus is clearly God. And even in Hebrews 1:6 it should be clear that God commands all of the holy angels to worship Jesus.

Tell me, does the Bible teach that we ought to worship anyone other than YHWH?

Consider commandment #1 in the ten commandments.

Why then are the angels commanded to worship Jesus?

 

[ByGraceThroughFaith]

That is not true. There is a "hierarchy" within the Godhead, although Father, Son, and Holy Spirit are all fully God. This is a mystery.

1. The Bible says that "the Head of" (or authority over) Christ is God the Father: But I would have you know, that the head of every man is Christ; and the head of the woman is the man; and the head of Christ is God. (1 Cor 11:3)

2. The Bible also says that ultimately Christ will hand everything back to God the Father and become "subject" to the Father: Then cometh the end, when he shall have delivered up the kingdom to God, even the Father; when he shall have put down all rule and all authority and power... And when all things shall be subdued unto him, then shall the Son also himself be subject unto him that put all things under him, that God may be all in all. (1 Cor 15:24,28)

You are talking about after the Incarnation. The pass in 1 Corinthians is not eternal but also as Mediator

 

[True Faith]

Don't know where or how you received your foundation in scripture, but I can tell you that foundation is not built on biblical principles. None of us are right on everything, but that foundation must be built on Jesus Christ and Him crucified.

If that is the case, then John 14:25 will follow.

"But the Comforter, which is the Holy Ghost, whom the Father will send in my name, he shall teach you all things, and bring all things to your remembrance, whatsoever I have said unto you."

The Holy Spirit gave it to them, and they have given it to us. If we are grounded in the foundation of Christ crucified for the sins of the world, then He will make sure you are taught everyone to his ability in the truth.

And yes the Trinity Doctrine is based upon Scripture and gets its foundation in scripture....

Whose will did God Himself come down from heaven to do, if not his own???

 

[True Faith]

Because of that, you will die in your sins if you do not ever repent (John 8:24).

It should be clear, if you accept the kjv as a valid translation of scripture, that in Hebrews 1:8-9, Jesus is clearly God. And even in Hebrews 1:6 it should be clear that God commands all of the holy angels to worship Jesus.

Tell me, does the Bible teach that we ought to worship anyone other than YHWH?

Consider commandment #1 in the ten commandments.

Why then are the angels commanded to worship Jesus?

The you must be able to answer this question...

Whose will did God Himself Come down from heaven to do, if not his own???

You have already established that Jesus is God Himself so there is no need to go into the explanation on that just explain how it is possible for God to lie...

 

[True Faith]

It is absolutely astonishing that You can claim, time and time again and with conviction, that Jesus is God Himself, yet you cannot explain how God Himself, Jesus, would ever tell a lie...

You are so matter a fact about Jesus being God himself but when faced with the contradictions in your own doctrine and scripture that refutes your doctrine, you ignore that scripture...

 

[True Faith]

I agree with your statement here, except for one thing!

Jesus was not "begotten before time." He has no beginning and no end, He was always with the Father before the foundation of the world. "Begotten" is referring to the incarnation when he became the Son of God in humanity to redeem the world.

Your problem keeps returning to who Christ is.

Now I know you are not a Trinitarian...

This is the Faith and the Founding Church Document the Athanasian Creed that establishes and sets the understanding of the doctrine of the Trinity... The excerpt for said Creed...

"That we believe and confess
that our Lord Jesus Christ, God's Son,
is both God and human, equally.

He is God from the essence of the Father,
begotten before time;
and he is human from the essence of his mother,
born in time;
completely God, completely human,
with a rational soul and human flesh;
equal to the Father as regards divinity,
less than the Father as regards humanity.

Although he is God and human,
yet Christ is not two, but one."

Can you show me two souls, two natures, two wills anywhere in that excerpt???

 

[True Faith]

How about the Nicaean Creed...
"I believe in one Lord Jesus Christ, the Only Begotten Son of God, born of the Father before all ages. God from God, Light from Light, true God from true God, begotten, not made, consubstantial with the Father; through him all things were made."

Hmmmm... God From God... True God from True God....

Just saying eiether Jesus is God Himself and lied or he wasn't God Himself and spoke the truth....

 

[heartwashed]

I would say that it is perhaps true that Athanasius was lacking in information or else ignorant of certain information when he made the statement that Jesus was begotten before time.

While there is a sense in which this is true; in that His Father begat Him from eternity; yet it should be clear that the scriptures actually teach that He was begotten in the incarnation (Luke 1:35).

When He ascended at the Mount of Olives, He ascended to fill all things (including time)...Ephesians 4:10.

In this sense He is still the eternally begotten Son.

 

[heartwashed]

Also, according to scripture, Jesus was "made of the seed of David according to the flesh" (Romans 1:3).

 

[True Faith]

I would say that it is perhaps true that Athanasius was lacking in information or else ignorant of certain information when he made the statement that Jesus was begotten before time.

While there is a sense in which this is true; in that His Father begat Him from eternity; yet it should be clear that the scriptures actually teach that He was begotten in the incarnation (Luke 1:35).

When He ascended at the Mount of Olives, He ascended to fill all things (including time)...Ephesians 4:10.

In this sense He is still the eternally begotten Son.

you just confirmed he was begotten before time...

 

[heartwashed]

The you must be able to answer this question...

Whose will did God Himself Come down from heaven to do, if not his own???

You have already established that Jesus is God Himself so there is no need to go into the explanation on that just explain how it is possible for God to lie...

In what manner do you see God lying anywhere in what He says in holy scripture?