Equal to Christ!

[Matthias]

then what kings are referred to?

Kings that are still yet future. I have in view the kings whom the resurrected Messiah refers to in Revelation.

 

[theefaith]

That’s the disputed claim of the Roman Catholic Church.

then Christ is disputed
Christ and his church are one acts 9:4 eph 5:32

 

[Matthias]

then Christ is disputed
Christ and his church are one acts 9:4 eph 5:32

You’re convinced that the Roman Catholic Church is his Church. I’m not.

You’ve taken the Hebrew Bible and the New Testament away from those who gave it to us. They weren’t Roman Catholics, nor were they trinitarians.

You’re using our scripture for a purpose that was never intended.

 

[theefaith]

This all goes back to the Roman Catholic doctrine of apostolic succession. Right?

it’s a kingdom which rules with authority not a democracy

 

[Ronald Nolette]

Direct apostolic succession is how we still have apostles until Christ returns in glory to crush all heresy’s!
Matt 28:19-20 Jn 20:21 acts 1:15-26

Direct! Interesting choice of words! that plays a big role in the next question.

the apostles have the same authority as Christ

Christ made apostles

the apostles make apostles
There are about 3000 today the church is world wide universal

Jesus appointed just 12 Apostles! when Judas dies, the Apostles only appointed to take His place! We have no other mention of other apostles being appointed at any time.

What does the roman Church think it is appointing 2,988+ plus successors ! They succeeded no original apostles so they are not succeeding th eoriginal call!

 

[theefaith]

The man served his God.

Who is his God? We’ve agreed many times that his God is the Father.



Yes. Servants of Christ are serving God.

there is always Matt 16:18-19 and 18:18
Bound on earth bound in heaven

 

[Ronald Nolette]

yes it is
Delivered once to the church the apostles but they are commanded to teach all men Matt 28:19

That one message was once for all time delievered to the church! there is no new message other than what we call the NT. the faith was once for all time delivered. We proclaim that once for all faith to every generation. We do not recreate it.

 

[amigo de christo]

it’s a kingdom which rules with authority not a democracy

You will have no problems with the true lambs being rounded up .
You cannot see what is nor what is coming . instead you will believe the world religoin under ROME is simply doing the duty of GOD
when it has folks like me and others rounded up . You gonna believe you all do the will of GOD when in truth
this religion was doing the will of the dragon and of the beast which it shall serve . COME OUT thee faith .
I write not these things because i fear for my soul but rather for yours . This world and its religion is gonna do as it will do
but lambs wont conform and instead shall be faithful to Christ no matter the cost . CHOOSE YE CHRIST and flee this religoin
before its too late .

 

[theefaith]

Jesus is a Jew. He founded a sect within Judaism. “Christians” are persons who are disciples of Jesus.

No way
He was of the tribe of Judah but ge ended the mosaic (all israel
Not just Jews) covenant
Fulfilled and founded the new covenant Christian church! Jn 10:16 all others are heretical sects the tradition of men
Man made and every single one teaches error

never hear of the “burned over district”?

 

[theefaith]

I don’t ignore scripture, nor do I think or say that you do.



I’ve commented on the issue several times now.



I don’t deny that Jesus is the Christ. I insist that Jesus is the Christ.



The Father and the Son are always one.

(Then if the father is God the son must be God)

Only one person in this passage is identified as God.

Elect according to the foreknowledge of the Trinity? No.

Elect according to the foreknowledge of the Father? Yes.



You’ve understood that that one person is the Father.



I’m convinced that you genuinely believe that.

The God of Jesus is the Father alone.

There is no God besides the God of Jesus.

The God of Peter is the God of Jesus - the Father alone.

(God the father implies God the son or it would just say “God”

 

[theefaith]

Agreed. It wasn’t some super category of saints apart from all who believed Jesus is the Christ that Saul had persecuted.

there is difference between the priesthood and the people

 

[theefaith]

That’s right. God - his, not the Trinity - has given them to him.

Are you familiar with Joseph typology?

no tell me

 

[theefaith]

Jesus is a Jew. He founded a sect within Judaism. “Christians” are persons who are disciples of Jesus.

Not within Judaism or Jews would not be outside the new covenant

but fulfill one covenant and made a new one

 

[theefaith]

I asked in a post (see #212) earlier this morning what would it take for you be convinced that I’ve committed treason against the Trinity. Are you convinced now?

No?

Consider the following. A member of the forums has stated publicly that the one thing the spirit of antichrist will always do is deny the Deity of Christ.

Some unitarians assert and affirm the Deity of Christ. The spirit of antichrist test, as it’s being called, wouldn’t qualify if that alone is the only standard of measure.

I’m an ex-trinitarian. (Get the antichrist test ready.) I’m a Jewish monotheist. (Look closely. Your inquisitors would have.) I deny the Deity of Christ. [I assert that the deity of Christ is the Father alone. There is no God besides the Father.] (What does the so-called spirit of antichrist test tell you about me?)

You have my written confession. It was made without duress. What further proof do you need? What further proof do you want? If I can supply it to you, I will.

then you are a Jew?

 

[Matthias]

it’s a kingdom which rules with authority not a democracy

Yes. I’m certain of it.

 

[Matthias]

there is always Matt 16:18-19 and 18:18
Bound on earth bound in heaven

Agreed. Agreed. Agreed.

Why do you think I said “agreed” three times in my reply to you?

 

[theefaith]

You have it. There was no need to torture me to get the information. I handed it to you on a silver platter. I’ve never had to work this hard in my life to convince someone that I’ve committed treason against the Trinity!

I’m thinking again about the Anabaptist, Dirk Willems, and the Catholic prison guard. Dirk surrendered his life in order to save the Catholic from drowning. The Catholic asked the state to release Dirk, going against the Catholic Church and the state in doing so. The representative of the state told the guard to remember his oath and denied the request.

Which kind of Catholic are you?

fortunately for you this is not a Christian country or kingdom

 

[Matthias]

No way

What would you do if you found out it was true?

He was of the tribe of Judah but ge ended the mosaic (all israel
Not just Jews) covenant
Fulfilled and founded the new covenant Christian church! Jn 10:16 all others are heretical sects the tradition of men
Man made and every single one teaches error

Check.

never hear of the “burned over district”?

I have. What would you like to say about it?

 

[Matthias]

(God the father implies God the son or it would just say “God”

Thanks for explaining your logic. God the Father is who Jesus believes his God is. It implied no one, and certainly not anything else, to him.

 

[Matthias]

there is difference between the priesthood and the people

The difference is an office of leadership.