Is your Faith in the Bible or is it in God?

[True Faith]

1 John 5:20 [NASB95]

And we know that the Son of God has come, and has given us understanding so that we may know Him who is true; and we are in Him who is true, in His Son Jesus Christ. This is the true God and eternal life.​

First it is not Jesus, using the Bible, that is eternal life, it is his words... if you are going to use your bible to explain your answer atleast read it first...

1. Why would anyone want to do that? What would be the potential purpose of such an exercise?
2. How would anyone “prove” something as metaphysical as “faith in God”? A mathematical proof? A logical proof? A scientific proof by empirical experimentation with repeatable results?

well it seems that your faith is not in God if you cannot prove it.... do you believe that God placed is laws in you and are you obedient to God by keeping his laws???... you do not need the bible to have faith...

 

[True Faith]

Despite your request, I am going to use the Bible, because Paul warned us about guys like you—— “ Abstain from the Stupid Arguments put forth by Unlearned Fool’s , they only lead to Trouble” ... (2 Tim 2:23 )

You are the one who is arguing not me... before the written word... how did they have Faith in God??? you see if you had read your Bible, Jesus said explicitly " Search the scriptures; for in them ye think ye have eternal life: and they are they which testify of me. 40And ye will not come to me, that ye might have life." and faith in God is how you get Eternal life and if you think that the Bible is how you get eternal life, you can look all you want in the Bible and still never find it...

 

[True Faith]

People think to use the Bible to claim that the Bible Gives them eternal life, yet the do not use it nor read it... it plainly says "Search the scriptures; for in them ye think ye have eternal life: and they are they which testify of me."... so are all of you who claim that in the Bible you have eternal life???... if the Bible gives you eternal life and your faith is the bible and not in God because you rely on the Bible and not God for eternal life...

 

[True Faith]

Let's god one step further.. even Jesus tells you how to show your faith... yet all of you who claim to have read the Bible and says that the Bible tells you that you need it to have faith has clearly not read the Bible at all...

Matthew 21:21"Jesus answered and said unto them, Verily I say unto you, If ye have faith, and doubt not, ye shall not only do this which is done to the fig tree, but also if ye shall say unto this mountain, Be thou removed, and be thou cast into the sea; it shall be done."

people seem to have forgotten what the Bible actually says...

it is the belief of man, the doctrine of man, that the Bible Gives you eternal life... no where in the Bible does it say anywhere that it gives you eternal life... not one place...

 

[BloodBought 1953]

People think to use the Bible to claim that the Bible Gives them eternal life, yet the do not use it nor read it... it plainly says "Search the scriptures; for in them ye think ye have eternal life: and they are they which testify of me."... so are all of you who claim that in the Bible you have eternal life???... if the Bible gives you eternal life and your faith is the bible and not in God because you rely on the Bible and not God for eternal life...

With all due respect——you, sir, are a Nut....The Bible That in your Confused estimation has practically no value, at least gives some good advice from time to time.....an example of that would be “ Don’t cast your Pearls before Swine”...... there’s some of that “ good advice” that I will now follow....bye, bye! I’ve got better things to do than to try to reason with a guy like you—- I have to rearrange my spice rack....lol...

 

[True Faith]

With all due respect——you, sir, are a Nut....The Bible That in your Confused estimation has practically no value, at least gives some good advice from time to time.....an example of that would be “ Don’t cast your Pearls before Swine”...... there’s some of that “ good advice” that I will now follow....bye, bye! I’ve got better things to do than to try to reason with a guy like you—- I have to rearrange my spice rack....lol...

That is fine because if you think the Bible will give you Eternal life then by all means keep calling Jesus a liar..

 

[BloodBought 1953]

That is fine because if you think the Bible will give you Eternal life then by all means keep calling Jesus a liar..

I got two words for you——- PFffftttttttt.......or is that just “ one” word? Sorry if I was mistaken....

 

[True Faith]

for all those who use Acts 17:11 These were more noble than those in Thessalonica, in that they received the word with all readiness of mind, and searched the scriptures daily, whether those things were so., because I said the Bible is not eternal life, and you actually do search the scriptures to see if it is true, you would find that Jesus himself said John 5:39 "39Search the scriptures; for in them ye think ye have eternal life: and they are they which testify of me."

People really need to learn to stopp calling Jesus a liar and get their faith back in God...

 

[True Faith]

I got two words for you——- PFffftttttttt.......or is that just “ one” word? Sorry if I was mistaken....

so you ignore God's word then.... just shows your faith is not in Him to begin with.. you are just proving my point...

 

[True Faith]

Seriously, I did not mean what I did not say. I merely explained why I ignored your multiple requests to avoid quoting the Bible in this topic.

you don't have to say it out right, when you make a statement like that you infer that is what you believe... I never said anything about not quoting Scripture... I actually quote it a lot in this thread... if you read the replies you would have seen this... Here is one for you John 5:39 "Search the scriptures; for in them ye think ye have eternal life: and they are they which testify of me." not one place in the Bible will gain eternal life... unless you want to call Jesus a liar and show us where you will have eternal life in the Bible... Jesus clearly says "You think you will have eternal life"... so was Jesus lying when he made that claim???

 

[Johann]

you miss the whole point... Let me ask you this one question... How do you know that God does not talk to people??? and I do not want you to use the Bible at all...

and yes you do actually have to answer the question...

I will get to your other questions in a second...

Hey pal, the Holy Spirit will not talk to you but through the Holy Scriptures.
J.

 

[True Faith]

Hey pal, the Holy Spirit will not talk to you but through the Holy Scriptures.
J.

well that is completely wrong... so you are saying that God did not speak directly to Jesus and tell him what to say???

 

[Johann]

well that is completely wrong... so you are saying that God did not speak directly to Jesus and tell him what to say???

HOW DOES ONE HEAR FROM GOD?
People say things like, “God spoke to me” or “The Lord told me.” What does that mean? Did they hear an audible voice like Samuel? How can I hear from God?

We primarily hear from God by regularly spending time reading the Bible and obeying what it says. The Bible is God’s message to humankind. Everything we need to know to live the Christian life is already in the Bible. As we spend time meditating on his Word, God reveals his truth to us.

THE BIBLE SPEAKS OF SIX WAYS THAT GOD SPEAKS TO US:
1. GOD SPEAKS TO US THROUGH SCRIPTURE
“All Scripture is God-breathed and is useful for teaching, rebuking, correcting and training in righteousness, so that the servant of God may be thoroughly equipped for every good work” (2 Timothy 3:16-17).

2. GOD SPEAKS THROUGH GIFTED TEACHERS WHOSE SOURCE IS THE BIBLE
“We have different gifts, according to the grace given to each of us. If your gift is prophesying, then prophesy in accordance with your faith; if it is serving, then serve; if it is teaching, then teach; if it is to encourage, then give encouragement; if it is giving, then give generously; if it is to lead, do it diligently; if it is to show mercy, do it cheerfully” (Romans 12:6-8).

3. GOD SPEAKS TO US THROUGH DIFFICULTIES
“Before I was afflicted I went astray, but now I obey your word. You are good, and what you do is good; teach me your decrees” (Psalm 119:67-68).

4. GOD SPEAKS THROUGH THE HOLY SPIRIT
“But the Advocate, the Holy Spirit, whom the Father will send in my name, will teach you all things and will remind you of everything I have said to you” (John 14:26).

5. GOD SPEAKS THROUGH HIS CREATION
“The heavens declare the glory of God; the skies proclaim the work of his hands. Day after day they pour forth speech; night after night they reveal knowledge” (Psalm 19:1-2).

6. GOD SPEAKS THROUGH WHATEVER OR WHOMEVER HE CHOOSES, BUT NEVER IN DISAGREEMENT WITH THE BIBLE
“For God does speak — now one way, now another — though no one perceives it” (Job 33:14).

CAN ANYTHING KEEP US FROM HEARING GOD?
Wrong attitudes, resentment, or unconfessed sins can create distance in our relationship with God. When this happens, confession and repentance will bring us back into a close relationship where we can hear from God again. Spiritual breathing is an excellent practice that will help keep the lines of communication open.

Guess you have a "hotline" to the Father, bypassing the Christ and the Holy Spirit.
J.

 

[Johann]

you don't have to say it out right, when you make a statement like that you infer that is what you believe... I never said anything about not quoting Scripture... I actually quote it a lot in this thread... if you read the replies you would have seen this... Here is one for you John 5:39 "Search the scriptures; for in them ye think ye have eternal life: and they are they which testify of me." not one place in the Bible will gain eternal life... unless you want to call Jesus a liar and show us where you will have eternal life in the Bible... Jesus clearly says "You think you will have eternal life"... so was Jesus lying when he made that claim???

Search the Scriptures - Ερευνατε τας γραφας. This should be translated, not in the imperative, but in the indicative mood - thus, Ye search the Scriptures diligently. That these words are commonly read in the imperative mood is sufficiently known; but this reading can never accord well with the following verse, nor can the force and energy of the words be perceived by this version.
The rabbins strongly recommend the study of the Scriptures. The Talmud, Tract. Shabbath, fol. 30, brings in God thus addressing David: “I am better pleased with one day in which thou sittest and studiest the law, than I shall be with a thousand sacrifices which thy son Solomon shall offer upon my altar.”
Perhaps the Scriptures were never more diligently searched than at that very time: first, because they were in expectation of the immediate appearing of the Messiah; secondly, because they wished to find out allegories in them; (see Philo); and, thirdly, because they found these scriptures to contain the promise of an eternal life. He, said they, who studies daily in the law, is worthy to have a portion in the world to come, Sohar. Genes. fol. 31. Hence we may infer:
1st. That the Jews had the knowledge of a future state before the coming of Christ; and
2ndly. That they got that knowledge from the Old Testament Scriptures.
The word ερευνατε, which might be translated, Ye search diligently, is very expressive. Homer, Il. xviii. l. 321, applies it to a lion deprived of his whelps, who “scours the plains, and traces the footsteps of the man.” And in Odyss. xix. l. 436, to dogs tracing their game by the scent of the foot.
In the Septuagint, the verb ερευναω answers to the Hebrew חפש chapash, to search by uncovering; to חקר chakar, to search minutely, to explore; to חשף chashaph, to strip, make bare; and to משש mashash, to feel, search by feeling. It is compounded of ερεω, I seek, and ευνη, a bed; “and is,” says St. Chrysostom, “a metaphor taken from those who dig deep, and search for metals in the bowels of the earth. They look for the bed where the metal lies, and break every clod, and sift and examine the whole, in order to discover the ore.” Those who read the verse in the imperative mood consider it an exhortation to the diligent study of the Sacred Writings. Search; that is, shake and sift them, as the word also signifies: search narrowly, till the true force and meaning of every sentence, yea, of every word and syllable, nay, of every letter and yod therein, be known and understood. Confer place with place; the scope of one place with that of another; things going before with things coming after: compare word with word, letter with letter, and search the whole thoroughly. See Parkhurst, Mintert, and Leigh.
Leaving every translation of the present passage out of the question, this is the proper method of reading and examining the Scriptures, so as to become wise unto salvation through them.


Certainly the rabbis did make a mechanical use of the letter of Scripture as a means of salvation.
These are they (ekeinai eisin hai). The true value of the Scriptures is in their witness to Christ (of me, peri emou). Luke (Luk_24:27, Luk_24:45) gives this same claim of Jesus, and yet some critics fail to find the Messiah in the Old Testament. But Jesus did.


Joh 5:38 and the dvar Hashem you do not have abiding and dwelling in you, because you have no bitachon (trust), no emunah (faith) in the one whom Hashem has sent. [YESHAYAH 26:10; 53:1; YIRMEYAH 8:8]
Joh 5:39 You search the Kitvei Hakodesh because you think in them you have Chayyei Olam. And those are the ones giving solemn edut about me.
OJB

To whom was Jesus talking to?
J.

 

[Johann]

Let's god one step further.. even Jesus tells you how to show your faith... yet all of you who claim to have read the Bible and says that the Bible tells you that you need it to have faith has clearly not read the Bible at all...

Matthew 21:21"Jesus answered and said unto them, Verily I say unto you, If ye have faith, and doubt not, ye shall not only do this which is done to the fig tree, but also if ye shall say unto this mountain, Be thou removed, and be thou cast into the sea; it shall be done."

people seem to have forgotten what the Bible actually says...

it is the belief of man, the doctrine of man, that the Bible Gives you eternal life... no where in the Bible does it say anywhere that it gives you eternal life... not one place...

Throw your bible in the trash bin
Your posts are ludicrous
J.

 

[Johann]

well that is completely wrong... so you are saying that God did not speak directly to Jesus and tell him what to say???

Act 17:11 These people were more receptive than those in Thessalonica. They were very willing to receive the message, and every day they carefully examined the Scriptures to see if those things were so.
Act 17:12 Many of them believed, including a large number of prominent Greek women and men.


More noble than those (eugenesteroi tōn). Comparative form of eugenēs, old and common adjective, but in N.T. only here and Luk_19:12; 1Co_1:26. Followed by ablative case tōn as often after the comparative.
With all readiness of mind (meta pāsēs prothumias). Old word from prothumos (pro, thumos) and means eagerness, rushing forward. In the N.T. only here and 2Co_8:11-19; 2Co_9:2. In Thessalonica many of the Jews out of pride and prejudice refused to listen. Here the Jews joyfully welcomed the two Jewish visitors.
Examining the Scriptures daily (kath' hēmeran anakrinontes tas graphas). Paul expounded the Scriptures daily as in Thessalonica, but the Beroeans, instead of resenting his new interpretation, examined (anakrinō means to sift up and down, make careful and exact research as in legal processes as in Act_4:9; Act_12:19, etc.) the Scriptures for themselves. In Scotland people have the Bible open on the preacher as he expounds the passage, a fine habit worth imitating.
Whether these things were so (ei echoi tauta houtōs). Literally, “if these things had it thus.” The present optative in the indirect question represents an original present indicative as in Luk_1:29 (Robertson, Grammar, pp. 1043f.). This use of ei with the optative may be looked at as the condition of the fourth class (undetermined with less likelihood of determination) as in Act_17:27; Act_20:16; Act_24:19; Act_27:12 (Robertson, Grammar, p. 1021). The Beroeans were eagerly interested in the new message of Paul and Silas but they wanted to see it for themselves. What a noble attitude. Paul’s preaching made Bible students of them. The duty of private interpretation is thus made plain (Hovey).
Vincent

Funny that you should quote John when the rabbis studied the Talmud and not seeing the Messiah in their midst.

J.

 

[Michiah-Imla]

274

so for th first 2400 years, how did the Jews maintain their faith without the Bible???

That is documented well in the book of Genesis. In those days God was beginning to show the gospel to Abraham. These writings would become the scriptures for later generations to read and learn from.

“And the times of this ignorance God winked at; but now commandeth all men every where to repent: Because he hath appointed a day, in the which he will judge the world in righteousness by that man whom he hath ordained; whereof he hath given assurance unto all men, in that he hath raised him from the dead.” (Acts 17:30-31)

 

[Michiah-Imla]

299

the bible is not needed to have a connection with God or to have faith in God... or to attain eternal life...

This would only be true if someone had no access to:

1. People with knowledge of the faith.
2. A Bible.
3. People with knowledge and Couldn’t read.

Then God can speak directly to this individual if he chose.

But the vast majority of people living today are not in this situation. And I know you are not in any of these special circumstances by your own testimony regarding your Bible.

 

[ChristisGod]

NO Jesus did not bear Gods wrath at all because Jesus did no wrong...

You read through 12,000 replies . Speed reader ?

 

[atpollard]

First it is not Jesus, using the Bible, that is eternal life, it is his words... if you are going to use your bible to explain your answer atleast read it first...

Jesus’ words are the TRUE GOD and eternal life?

“Get behind Me, Satan! You are a stumbling block to Me; for you are not setting your mind on God's interests, but man's.” - Matthew 16:23​