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What does being born again mean?
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You have willfully with your Hearts Consent;

1) HAVE called on Christ the Lord Jesus’ Name;
WITH your TRUE LIVING TESTIMONY, of SACRIFICE, of SERVICE, of Eternal Allegiance expressly to Christ the Lord and God Almighty.

2) Repenting of having HAD disbelief in the Lord God;
3) Desire the Lord Jesus’ Forgiveness;
4) Accept the Lord Jesus’ Forgiveness;
5) Desire to give your Bodily Life unto Death, crucified with Christ Jesus.
6) Accept the Lord Jesus’ Taking of your Bodily Life.
7) Desire the Lord Jesus’ Restoration of your soul.
8) Accept the Lord Jesus’ Restoration of your soul.
9) Desire the Lords Circumcision of your old heart.
10) Accept the Lord Jesus’ Circumcision of your old heart.
11) Desire the Lords Holy Spirit with AND IN you.
12) Accept the Lords Holy Spirit with AND IN you.
13) Desire the Lords SEED IN your new heart.
14) Accept the Lords SEED IN your new heart.
15) Desire the Lords Spirit of Truth in your new heart.
16) Accept the Lords Spirit of Truth in your new heart.

Born Again means, an individual has given their True Hearts Testimony of Belief and Agreed to Sacrifice their Bodily life unto Death for their Belief and Receive the Lords Forgiveness, the Lords soul Salvation, the Christs Quickening of their new spirit, and the Receiving of the Lord Gods Holy Spirit within them.




 

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Only God can deliver you from this delusion friend, may He be pleased to do so. I once taught very zealously that one had to be water baptized in Jesus name in water according to Acts 2:38 to get saved, but God mercifully gave me repentance to acknowledging the Truth.

You should really consider that there is a conditional promise given to as many as the Lord our God shall call, in Acts of the Apostles 2:38-39.

The promise: remission of sins and gift of the Holy Ghost.

The condition: repentance and baptism in the name of Jesus Christ of Nazareth for the remission of sins.

If you are never called, then you are not predestined and will not be justified or glorified (Romans 8:30).

The way I figure it, my understanding is safer for all involved.

If I am wrong, I am no worse off for believing what I believe about it.

But if I am right, then those who never receive baptism in Jesus' Name will be condemned.

So, it is expedient for all involved for me and you to preach that a person must be baptized in Jesus' Name in order to be saved.
 
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The Jews under the old covenant were baptized in water only (mikvah)....since the Holy Spirit had not yet been poured out. Jesus was saying they couldn't enter the kingdom of God only by undergoing mikvah, but they needed to be born of the Spirit also. This is when we receive Christ by faith...when His Spirit takes up residence within us......and it is an act of God, not an act of man. Then the Spirit testifies to our spirit that we are a child of God....born again as a new creation.

Later when we're baptized with the Holy Spirit (or for some people they are baptized in the Holy Spirit at the same time they are being born again), it is like the Lord doubling down on our salvation and sealing it. And this is an act of God as well, not an act of man.

It's a miraculous thing that happens when we're born again of the Spirit....our eyes are opened, we pass from death to life, our life is changed, we receive revelation of God, and we embark on a real living relationship and dialogue with the Living God. Different people may experience different details in the experience, but overall it's the same result for all....we once were lost but now are found. Praise the Lord for His goodness. :)

so we put in Christ and are saved by faith alone?
 

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I believe this means to be born of the water of the word, which is the Gospel, and the Spirit. One is first born of the Spirit, given new life by Him, and then that new life from the Spirit is brought forth by the Gospel. James 1:18

18 Of his own will begat he us with the word of truth, that we should be a kind of firstfruits of his creatures.

The word of Truth is the washing of the water by the word[Gospel] Eph 5:26

That he might sanctify and cleanse it with the washing of water by the word,

Explain verse 22 they immediately went to river to baptize!
 

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'Faith alone' is in the Bible. It's James' argument about claiming to have faith but having a faith that does not obey God. It has nothing to do with some perceived necessity to do works in order to be born again.

baptism is born again
Jn 3:22 they immediately went to the river to baptize
 

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baptism is born again
Jn 3:22 they immediately went to the river to baptize
Nobody is born again by performing a ceremony.
Being born again refers to being born anew of the Spirit, Spirit giving birth to spirit. This is not the equivalent of birth by water as you are making it out to be. Birth by water and birth by Spirit are different and separate things:

"5Jesus answered, “Truly, truly, I tell you, no one can enter the kingdom of God unless he is born of water and the Spirit. 6Flesh is born of flesh, but spirit is born of the Spirit. " John 3:5-6
 
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What you are (were born) is not good enough and never will. Entry into the Kingdom of Heaven requires a SPIRITUAL transformation … a REBIRTH … becoming a new creation.


Ie. “Ain’t no little change we talking here.”

baptismal regeneration
 

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baptism is born again
Jn 3:22 they immediately went to the river to baptize

Hope I did the quote feature properly ...I'm new around here and it's not the same as what I'm used to.

No, no.... baptism is not born again. Born again is born again. A new believer gets baptized after being born again and because they were born again. The thief on the cross was saved without baptism. But most of us will live on after coming to faith in Christ, so there are reasons why we should be baptized if we are able to. Baptism without being born again will not save a person or cause them to be born again. Being born again is an act of God...it's a miracle that takes place in our life and heart and usually if not always spills over into outward expression in our life, eg, deliverance from addiction, spiritual gifts such as discernment, righteousness in place of sin, etc.

Can't put the cart before the horse. I was baptized and later confirmed in the Catholic church when I was a child.....it did not cause me to be born again and neither did confirmation cause me to be filled with the Spirit. Both those things happened to me miraculously as acts of God, later in life far away from Catholicism and it's sacraments.
 
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so we put in Christ and are saved by faith alone?

I'm not sure what you mean....hope this addresses the main issue though:

1Pe 3:21

The like figure whereunto even baptism doth also now save us (not the putting away of the filth of the flesh, but the answer of a good conscience toward God,) by the resurrection of Jesus Christ

This is not as precisely literal as you're thinking...we need “ears to hear” what the SPIRIT is saying. It’s not the outward baptism that saves us per se, but the new inner reality of what the outward (baptism) represents.
 

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Nobody is born again by performing a ceremony.
Being born again refers to being born anew of the Spirit, Spirit giving birth to spirit. This is not the equivalent of birth by water as you are making it out to be. Birth by water and birth by Spirit are different and separate things:

"5Jesus answered, “Truly, truly, I tell you, no one can enter the kingdom of God unless he is born of water and the Spirit. 6Flesh is born of flesh, but spirit is born of the Spirit. " John 3:5-6


A sacrament is an outward sign for all men including infants And a gift from God to help us see what he does inwardly and invisibly by his grace!

As grace Washes our souls in the merits of Jesus blood from original and personal sin, so the outward action of washing is visible!

without the outward action the inward action cannot take place!

Jn 3:5 Titus 3:5 water and washing
acts 22:16 wash away your sin!

Jn 3:5 Born again BY water and the spirit! Not by “faith alone”!

They did not go to Jerusalem and preach “accept Christ as you’re personal Lord and savior “

They went to the river (water) and they baptized! Jn 3:22

A covenant requires an outward sign of the inward action of grace!

Ez 36:25 I will sprinkle you with clean water and you shall be made white as snow.

Acts 22:16 washing away your sins.

Eph 4:5 one Lord, one faith, one baptism.

1 pet 3:21 baptism saves you.


Baptism!

God breathed life into Adam, gen 2:7 and we received this life from our fathers!

Christ breathed on the apostles our spiritual fathers, we receive the new covenant life of God’s grace from them thru faith & baptism! Jn 20:21-23 Mk 16:16 acts 8:36-38 eph 2

Born again! Born from above!

'The Father has set his seal' on Christ (John 6:27) and also seals us in him (cf. 2 Corinthians 1:22; Ephesians 1:23, 4:30). Because this seal indicates the indelible effect of the anointing with the Holy Spirit in the sacrament of Baptism,

Baptism indeed is the seal of eternal life." 87 The faithful Christian who I has "kept the seal" until the end, remaining faithful to the demands of his Baptism, will be able to depart this life "marked with the sign of faith," 88 with his baptismal faith, in expectation of the blessed vision of God - the consummation of faith - and in the hope of resurrection.

St. Paul tells the faithful at Ephesus that they have been “sealed with the promised Holy Spirit.” This is in terms of an indelible character imprinted on the soul in the sacraments of baptism and confirmation. It is not as if this invisible mark is simply decorative. Rather, through it, we are enabled to participate in Christ’s mission and in his offices of priest, prophet, and king. Eph 1:13

Sealed by God eph 1:13 sealed by God (ez 36:25-27) in the ark of salvation by baptism just as Noah was sealed by God in the ark of the flood gen 7:16

1 Pet 3:20 Which sometime were disobedient, when once the longsuffering of God waited in the days of Noah, while the ark was a preparing, wherein few, that is, eight souls were saved by water.

21 The like figure whereunto even baptism doth also now save us!
(Ark of Noah a type of the church, member of Christ and his church and salvation by baptism!)
(Outside the ark of Noah none were saved, outside the church (the ark of salvation) none are saved!)

Sealed in the ark, sealed in the church the ark of salvation by God thru baptism!



Christ instituted the holy church for the salvation of all men, (repent and believe the gospel, with the institution of the sacraments to convey grace to sanctify souls!


Effects of faith & baptism!

Ez 36:25-27 washed in baptism, with a new heart and the Spirit
Jn 3:5 born again in baptism
Mk 16:16 faith & baptist
Acts 2:38 repentance & baptism
Acts 8:36-38 faith & baptism
Acts 22:16 baptism washes away sin
Rom 6:3 died with Christ
Col 2:12 risen with Christ
1 cor 12:13 baptized into the church
Gal 3:27 by baptism put on Christ
2 Tim 1:10 brought to life
2 cor 5:17 new creation
Eph 1:13 sealed by the Holy Spirit
Eph 2:1&5 brought to life in baptism
Eph 4:5 one baptism
Eph 5:26 faith and baptism
Titus 3:5 baptismal regeneration
1 pet 1:2 washed in Christ’s blood
1 pet 2:9 and not the kingdom of light
1 pet 3:20-21 baptism saves us!

“Faith alone” accomplishes nothing!
1 cor 13:2 even all faith (alone) without charity avails NOTHING!!!

Faith and baptism!

Scripture says none of the things about “Faith alone”!






“Faith alone”

Questions

where does scripture says we have died with Christ by “faith alone”?

Rom 6:3 Know ye not, that so many of us as were baptized into Jesus Christ were baptized into his death?

where does scripture say we are members of Christ and his church by “faith alone”?

1 Corinthians 12:13
For by one Spirit are we all baptized into one body, whether we be Jews or Gentiles, whether we be bond or free; and have been all made to drink into one Spirit.

where does scripture says we put on Christ by “faith alone”?

Galatians 3:27
For as many of you as have been baptized into Christ have put on Christ.

Where does scripture say our sins are washed away by “faith alone”?

Acts 22:16
And now why tarriest thou? arise, and be baptized, and wash away thy sins, calling on the name of the Lord.

where does scripture say we are saved or justified by “faith alone”?

1 pet 3:21 The like figure whereunto even baptism doth also now save us!

The only reference in scripture to “faith alone” is James 2:24 NOT BY “FAITH ALONE”?

2 pet 1: 11 For so an entrance shall be ministered unto you abundantly into the everlasting kingdom of our Lord and Saviour Jesus Christ.

How can you enter by your own if it must be ministered to you? Baptism is done unto you, “not do it yourself by faith alone”

Jn 3:5 born again by faith alone?

Where is “Accept Christ as your personal lord & savior” is found in scripture?

They did not go preaching this line but went immediately to the river and baptized Jn 3:22

Acts 22:16
And now why tarriest thou? arise, and be baptized, and wash away thy sins, calling on the name of the Lord.

1 Corinthians 12:13
For by one Spirit are we all baptized into one body, whether we be Jews or Gentiles, whether we be bond or free; and have been all made to drink into one Spirit.

Galatians 3:27
For as many of you as have been baptized into Christ have put on Christ.

Eph 4:5 one baptism

Why don’t it say one teeny tiny little act of “faith alone”???

When we first believed we are saved?

Romans 13:11
And that, knowing the time, that now it is high time to awake out of sleep: for now is our salvation nearer than when we believed.

How can salvation be nearer than when we first believed if you’re saved by believing?

1 pet 1:9 Receiving the end of your faith, even the salvation of your souls.

Matt 24:13 endures to the end Shall be saved.

How can salvation happen when we first believed if it’s the end?

If salvation is by “faith alone” then faith would be the greatest!
1 cor 13:13 charity is the greatest!

Even all faith much less “faith alone” without charity avails nothing!
1 cor 13:2
 

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You should really consider that there is a conditional promise given to as many as the Lord our God shall call, in Acts of the Apostles 2:38-39.

The promise: remission of sins and gift of the Holy Ghost.

The condition: repentance and baptism in the name of Jesus Christ of Nazareth for the remission of sins.

If you are never called, then you are not predestined and will not be justified or glorified (Romans 8:30).

The way I figure it, my understanding is safer for all involved.

If I am wrong, I am no worse off for believing what I believe about it.

But if I am right, then those who never receive baptism in Jesus' Name will be condemned.

So, it is expedient for all involved for me and you to preach that a person must be baptized in Jesus' Name in order to be saved.
Again,may God be merciful to deliver you from this strong delusion.
 

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without the outward action the inward action cannot take place!
Explain that to Paul then, for he is the one who said Abraham was made righteous BEFORE being circumcised, his circumcision being the SIGN of what had ALREADY happened inside. The inward grace of justification had ALREADY taken place on the inside BEFORE the outward sign of that grace was performed. This is all right out of Romans 4. The Catholic religion is in terrible error about Romans 4. That is why it was rejected.
 

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Hope I did the quote feature properly ...I'm new around here and it's not the same as what I'm used to.

No, no.... baptism is not born again. Born again is born again. A new believer gets baptized after being born again and because they were born again. The thief on the cross was saved without baptism. But most of us will live on after coming to faith in Christ, so there are reasons why we should be baptized if we are able to. Baptism without being born again will not save a person or cause them to be born again. Being born again is an act of God...it's a miracle that takes place in our life and heart and usually if not always spills over into outward expression in our life, eg, deliverance from addiction, spiritual gifts such as discernment, righteousness in place of sin, etc.

Can't put the cart before the horse. I was baptized and later confirmed in the Catholic church when I was a child.....it did not cause me to be born again and neither did confirmation cause me to be filled with the Spirit. Both those things happened to me miraculously as acts of God, later in life far away from Catholicism and it's sacraments.

welcome here

yes baptism caused both of us to be born again and confirmation cause both of us to be filled with the Holy Spirit as the bishop laid on hands!

you and I were both poorly taught the faith

the thief does not apply cos the covenant is not in effect until the death of Christ heb 9:16-17