Christ gave 7 signs that are part of the 'context' He was giving His disciples. You've only brought up only ONE, that of the destruction of the temple and Jerusalem. That shows it's YOU that intends to COMPLETELY LEAVE OUT THE REAL CONTEXT of the full 7 signs of the end Christ gave in His Olivet Discourse, JUST so you can serve the false doctrines of men called Preterism! What a disgusting breach of the lesson our Lord Jesus was giving us you've done.
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Christ gave 7 signs that are part of the 'context' He was giving His disciples. You've only brought up only ONE, that of the destruction of the temple and Jerusalem. That shows it's YOU that intends to COMPLETELY LEAVE OUT THE REAL CONTEXT of the full 7 signs of the end Christ gave in His Olivet Discourse, JUST so you can serve the false doctrines of men called Preterism! What a disgusting breach of the lesson our Lord Jesus was giving us you've done.
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THE REAL CONTEXT OF MATTHEW 24...
Matt 24:1-36
1 And Jesus went out, and departed from the temple: and His disciples came to Him for to shew Him the buildings of the temple.
2 And Jesus said unto them, See ye not all these things? verily I say unto you, There shall not be left here one stone upon another, that shall not be thrown down.
That was the time when the second temple in Jerusalem still existed at Christ's first coming. He and His disciples were upon the Mount of Olives overlooking the Temple Mount. That 2nd temple and Jerusalem was destroyed in 69 A.D. when the Roman general Titus came upon the city. Per the Jewish historian Josephus (100 A.D.), the temple caught fire before the Romans could gain possession of it. The Wailing Wall stones, part of the old western wall, still exist today in Jerusalem. So not absolutely every stone there has been cast down yet. Jesus refers to the time of the end of this world for that event, not the 69 A.D. event.
3 And as He sat upon the mount of Olives, the disciples came unto Him privately, saying, Tell us, when shall these things be? and what shall be the sign of Thy coming, and of the end of the world?
Christ's disciples then ask Him specifically when these events will be, including the end of this present world, and the sign of His second coming. Some Preterists are so powerfully deceived, that they actually think Christ's second coming has already happened because of the 69 A.D. destruction of the temple and Jerusalem by the Romans. They are 'drunken in the night' in the darkness of deception because of such a false belief.
4 And Jesus answered and said unto them, Take heed that no man deceive you.
5 For many shall come in my name, saying, I am Christ; and shall deceive many.
That's the first sign, don't let any man deceive you. It's a parallel to the first Seal of Rev.6, the fake rider on a white horse trying to come in like how Jesus is to return riding a white horse per Rev.19. Christ makes Deception the main warning with this first sign of the end of this present world. No false messiah came in 69 A.D. to do the great signs and wonders Jesus will later explain about this deception warning. So Preterists simply bypass... this sign, or wrongly assign to something else, pretending they can't read it as written.
6 And ye shall hear of wars and rumours of wars: see that ye be not troubled: for all these things must come to pass, but the end is not yet.
The 2nd sign, a parallel to the 2nd Seal of Rev.6 about the red horse, a war horse. Christ reveals a mystery with this. The end of this present world will not happen with war, but with a false peace. The opposite of wars and rumours of wars is a time of peace. As long as there are wars and rumours of wars, like He says, the end is not yet.
7 For nation shall rise against nation, and kingdom against kingdom: and there shall be famines, and pestilences, and earthquakes, in divers places.
8 All these are the beginning of sorrows.
The 3rd and 4th signs, parallels to the 3rd and 4th Seals of Rev.6 about the black horse of commerce, and the pale horse of a 4 part working upon the earth by the locusts of Joel. The Romans sacking Jerusalem in 69 A.D. does not fit all that these two signs reveal.
9 Then shall they deliver you up to be afflicted, and shall kill you: and ye shall be hated of all nations for my name's sake.
10 And then shall many be offended, and shall betray one another, and shall hate one another.
11 And many false prophets shall rise, and shall deceive many.
12 And because iniquity shall abound, the love of many shall wax cold.
13 But he that shall endure unto the end, the same shall be saved.
14 And this gospel of the kingdom shall be preached in all the world for a witness unto all nations; and then shall the end come.
All this is the 5th sign, a parallel to the 5th Seal of Rev.6, about Christ's elect being delivered up to give a Testimony for Him, and killed for that Testimony. It includes a time when many false prophets (like those of Preterism), will work deception upon many.
15 When ye therefore shall see the abomination of desolation, spoken of by Daniel the prophet, stand in the holy place, (whoso readeth, let him understand:)
16 Then let them which be in Judaea flee into the mountains:
17 Let him which is on the housetop not come down to take any thing out of his house:
18 Neither let him which is in the field return back to take his clothes.
19 And woe unto them that are with child, and to them that give suck in those days!
20 But pray ye that your flight be not in the winter, neither on the sabbath day:
This is the 6th sign, a parallel to the 6th Seal about the "untimely figs". Christ links it to the "abomination of desolation" event in the Book of Daniel, which is about a vile person coming to power in Jerusalem to end the daily sacrifices and setup false idol worship INSIDE THE TEMPLE. Per Josephus, the Romans never gained access inside the Jerusalem Temple to do any of that. Antiochus IV in 170 B.C. was a blueprint for this event of false worship, as he DID gain access inside the Jerusalem Temple in 170 B.C., sacrificed swine upon the altar desolating the temple, and then setup an idol to pagan Greek Zeus worship. The Romans didn't do any of that, so Preterism bypasses this event too.
21 For then shall be great tribulation, such as was not since the beginning of the world to this time, no, nor ever shall be.
22 And except those days should be shortened, there should no flesh be saved: but for the elect's sake those days shall be shortened.
23 Then if any man shall say unto you, Lo, here is Christ, or there; believe it not.
24 For there shall arise false Christs, and false prophets, and shall shew great signs and wonders; insomuch that, if it were possible, they shall deceive the very elect.
25 Behold, I have told you before.
26 Wherefore if they shall say unto you, Behold, he is in the desert; go not forth: behold, he is in the secret chambers; believe it not.
More infor about the 6th sign (6th Seal) concerning a coming false messiah to do that abomination of desolation setting up of idol worship inside a temple in Jerusalem. It is to be a time of tribulation the likes the world has never seen, nor will ever again. That has yet to happen, and is prophesied for the very end of this present world just prior to Christ's return. That false one did not appear in 69 A.D. Jerusalem. The Romans were not that specific false entity.
27 For as the lightning cometh out of the east, and shineth even unto the west; so shall also the coming of the Son of man be.
28 For wheresoever the carcase is, there will the eagles be gathered together.
29 Immediately after the tribulation of those days shall the sun be darkened, and the moon shall not give her light, and the stars shall fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens shall be shaken:
30 And then shall appear the sign of the Son of man in heaven: and then shall all the tribes of the earth mourn, and they shall see the Son of man coming in the clouds of heaven with power and great glory.
31 And He shall send His angels with a great sound of a trumpet, and they shall gather together His elect from the four winds, from one end of heaven to the other.
The final 7th sign is a parallel to Christ's return in Rev.11 on the 7th Trumpet, and Rev.16 on the 7th Vial, and Rev.19. Just so happens, Zechariah 14 gave His disciples the events of His second coming to that VERY SPOT WHERE THEY WERE, the Mount of Olives. No doubt, His disciples already knew that Zech.14 prophecy, which is why they would ask about all this.
We know Christ's second coming has NOT happened yet today, simply because Paul and Peter told us His coming will be "as a thief" on "the day of The Lord" (1 Thess.5; 2 Pet.3:10). The "day of The Lord" contain events about a judgment upon the wicked on this earth and a destruction by fire upon this earth by God with Christ appearing in the clouds, and His saints being gathered to Him. Only someone deceived and foolish, or a liar, would claim such Bible events have already happened today.
32 Now learn a parable of the fig tree; When his branch is yet tender, and putteth forth leaves, ye know that summer is nigh:
33 So likewise ye, when ye shall see all these things, know that it is near, even at the doors.
Then Christ COMMANDS us to learn the parable of the fig tree. When a fig tree starts sprouting leaves in the Spring, then you know Summer is just around the corner. So also, when we 'see' ALL THESE THINGS, know that His coming is at the doors. Does that mean when we see the destruction of a temple only? Nope. He said "all these things", meaning all these signs, not just ONE of them. The fig tree parable involves the timing of Jer.24, when the good figs and bad figs would be planted in the holy land again, and not removed again. There's only one time that took place since the Romans destroyed the nation of Israel back in 69 A.D. Israel became a nation again in the land in 1948.
34 Verily I say unto you, This generation shall not pass, till all these things be fulfilled.
It is THAT generation which SEES "all these things" that Christ was speaking of. Did He say the generation that see the Romans destroy the temple and Jerusalem? Nope. He said, "all these things", meaning all these signs, not just ONE of them. This generation can ONLY mean the very last generation on this prior to Christ's second coming. 1948 is when He gave us to start watching all these things begin to come to pass, to mark the generation of His second coming.
The doctrine of Preterism is aligned with orthodox Judaism, those who reject Christ Jesus as The Saviour. The reason is because it's a bait to get you to trust in this PRESENT WORLD AS IT NOW IS AS CHRIST'S KINGDOM ALREADY HAVING COME. That's what it means to believe that these 7 signs for the end, which include Christ's second coming and our physical gathering to Him, as already past back in 69 A.D. There is simply no excuse for any professing Christian to hold or espouse the Preterist doctrines which point back to the Jews having coming up with it.
Matt 24:1-36
1 And Jesus went out, and departed from the temple: and His disciples came to Him for to shew Him the buildings of the temple.
2 And Jesus said unto them, See ye not all these things? verily I say unto you, There shall not be left here one stone upon another, that shall not be thrown down.
That was the time when the second temple in Jerusalem still existed at Christ's first coming. He and His disciples were upon the Mount of Olives overlooking the Temple Mount. That 2nd temple and Jerusalem was destroyed in 69 A.D. when the Roman general Titus came upon the city. Per the Jewish historian Josephus (100 A.D.), the temple caught fire before the Romans could gain possession of it. The Wailing Wall stones, part of the old western wall, still exist today in Jerusalem. So not absolutely every stone there has been cast down yet. Jesus refers to the time of the end of this world for that event, not the 69 A.D. event.
3 And as He sat upon the mount of Olives, the disciples came unto Him privately, saying, Tell us, when shall these things be? and what shall be the sign of Thy coming, and of the end of the world?
Christ's disciples then ask Him specifically when these events will be, including the end of this present world, and the sign of His second coming. Some Preterists are so powerfully deceived, that they actually think Christ's second coming has already happened because of the 69 A.D. destruction of the temple and Jerusalem by the Romans. They are 'drunken in the night' in the darkness of deception because of such a false belief.
4 And Jesus answered and said unto them, Take heed that no man deceive you.
5 For many shall come in my name, saying, I am Christ; and shall deceive many.
That's the first sign, don't let any man deceive you. It's a parallel to the first Seal of Rev.6, the fake rider on a white horse trying to come in like how Jesus is to return riding a white horse per Rev.19. Christ makes Deception the main warning with this first sign of the end of this present world. No false messiah came in 69 A.D. to do the great signs and wonders Jesus will later explain about this deception warning. So Preterists simply bypass... this sign, or wrongly assign to something else, pretending they can't read it as written.
6 And ye shall hear of wars and rumours of wars: see that ye be not troubled: for all these things must come to pass, but the end is not yet.
The 2nd sign, a parallel to the 2nd Seal of Rev.6 about the red horse, a war horse. Christ reveals a mystery with this. The end of this present world will not happen with war, but with a false peace. The opposite of wars and rumours of wars is a time of peace. As long as there are wars and rumours of wars, like He says, the end is not yet.
7 For nation shall rise against nation, and kingdom against kingdom: and there shall be famines, and pestilences, and earthquakes, in divers places.
8 All these are the beginning of sorrows.
The 3rd and 4th signs, parallels to the 3rd and 4th Seals of Rev.6 about the black horse of commerce, and the pale horse of a 4 part working upon the earth by the locusts of Joel. The Romans sacking Jerusalem in 69 A.D. does not fit all that these two signs reveal.
9 Then shall they deliver you up to be afflicted, and shall kill you: and ye shall be hated of all nations for my name's sake.
10 And then shall many be offended, and shall betray one another, and shall hate one another.
11 And many false prophets shall rise, and shall deceive many.
12 And because iniquity shall abound, the love of many shall wax cold.
13 But he that shall endure unto the end, the same shall be saved.
14 And this gospel of the kingdom shall be preached in all the world for a witness unto all nations; and then shall the end come.
All this is the 5th sign, a parallel to the 5th Seal of Rev.6, about Christ's elect being delivered up to give a Testimony for Him, and killed for that Testimony. It includes a time when many false prophets (like those of Preterism), will work deception upon many.
15 When ye therefore shall see the abomination of desolation, spoken of by Daniel the prophet, stand in the holy place, (whoso readeth, let him understand:)
16 Then let them which be in Judaea flee into the mountains:
17 Let him which is on the housetop not come down to take any thing out of his house:
18 Neither let him which is in the field return back to take his clothes.
19 And woe unto them that are with child, and to them that give suck in those days!
20 But pray ye that your flight be not in the winter, neither on the sabbath day:
This is the 6th sign, a parallel to the 6th Seal about the "untimely figs". Christ links it to the "abomination of desolation" event in the Book of Daniel, which is about a vile person coming to power in Jerusalem to end the daily sacrifices and setup false idol worship INSIDE THE TEMPLE. Per Josephus, the Romans never gained access inside the Jerusalem Temple to do any of that. Antiochus IV in 170 B.C. was a blueprint for this event of false worship, as he DID gain access inside the Jerusalem Temple in 170 B.C., sacrificed swine upon the altar desolating the temple, and then setup an idol to pagan Greek Zeus worship. The Romans didn't do any of that, so Preterism bypasses this event too.
21 For then shall be great tribulation, such as was not since the beginning of the world to this time, no, nor ever shall be.
22 And except those days should be shortened, there should no flesh be saved: but for the elect's sake those days shall be shortened.
23 Then if any man shall say unto you, Lo, here is Christ, or there; believe it not.
24 For there shall arise false Christs, and false prophets, and shall shew great signs and wonders; insomuch that, if it were possible, they shall deceive the very elect.
25 Behold, I have told you before.
26 Wherefore if they shall say unto you, Behold, he is in the desert; go not forth: behold, he is in the secret chambers; believe it not.
More infor about the 6th sign (6th Seal) concerning a coming false messiah to do that abomination of desolation setting up of idol worship inside a temple in Jerusalem. It is to be a time of tribulation the likes the world has never seen, nor will ever again. That has yet to happen, and is prophesied for the very end of this present world just prior to Christ's return. That false one did not appear in 69 A.D. Jerusalem. The Romans were not that specific false entity.
27 For as the lightning cometh out of the east, and shineth even unto the west; so shall also the coming of the Son of man be.
28 For wheresoever the carcase is, there will the eagles be gathered together.
29 Immediately after the tribulation of those days shall the sun be darkened, and the moon shall not give her light, and the stars shall fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens shall be shaken:
30 And then shall appear the sign of the Son of man in heaven: and then shall all the tribes of the earth mourn, and they shall see the Son of man coming in the clouds of heaven with power and great glory.
31 And He shall send His angels with a great sound of a trumpet, and they shall gather together His elect from the four winds, from one end of heaven to the other.
The final 7th sign is a parallel to Christ's return in Rev.11 on the 7th Trumpet, and Rev.16 on the 7th Vial, and Rev.19. Just so happens, Zechariah 14 gave His disciples the events of His second coming to that VERY SPOT WHERE THEY WERE, the Mount of Olives. No doubt, His disciples already knew that Zech.14 prophecy, which is why they would ask about all this.
We know Christ's second coming has NOT happened yet today, simply because Paul and Peter told us His coming will be "as a thief" on "the day of The Lord" (1 Thess.5; 2 Pet.3:10). The "day of The Lord" contain events about a judgment upon the wicked on this earth and a destruction by fire upon this earth by God with Christ appearing in the clouds, and His saints being gathered to Him. Only someone deceived and foolish, or a liar, would claim such Bible events have already happened today.
32 Now learn a parable of the fig tree; When his branch is yet tender, and putteth forth leaves, ye know that summer is nigh:
33 So likewise ye, when ye shall see all these things, know that it is near, even at the doors.
Then Christ COMMANDS us to learn the parable of the fig tree. When a fig tree starts sprouting leaves in the Spring, then you know Summer is just around the corner. So also, when we 'see' ALL THESE THINGS, know that His coming is at the doors. Does that mean when we see the destruction of a temple only? Nope. He said "all these things", meaning all these signs, not just ONE of them. The fig tree parable involves the timing of Jer.24, when the good figs and bad figs would be planted in the holy land again, and not removed again. There's only one time that took place since the Romans destroyed the nation of Israel back in 69 A.D. Israel became a nation again in the land in 1948.
34 Verily I say unto you, This generation shall not pass, till all these things be fulfilled.
It is THAT generation which SEES "all these things" that Christ was speaking of. Did He say the generation that see the Romans destroy the temple and Jerusalem? Nope. He said, "all these things", meaning all these signs, not just ONE of them. This generation can ONLY mean the very last generation on this prior to Christ's second coming. 1948 is when He gave us to start watching all these things begin to come to pass, to mark the generation of His second coming.
The doctrine of Preterism is aligned with orthodox Judaism, those who reject Christ Jesus as The Saviour. The reason is because it's a bait to get you to trust in this PRESENT WORLD AS IT NOW IS AS CHRIST'S KINGDOM ALREADY HAVING COME. That's what it means to believe that these 7 signs for the end, which include Christ's second coming and our physical gathering to Him, as already past back in 69 A.D. There is simply no excuse for any professing Christian to hold or espouse the Preterist doctrines which point back to the Jews having coming up with it.
After the majority of Jerusalem rejected their Messiah they had nothing but destruction of their temples prophesied by Christ. The fulfillment of which is not totally complete but will be soon.Christ gave 7 signs that are part of the 'context' He was giving His disciples. You've only brought up only ONE, that of the destruction of the temple and Jerusalem. That shows it's YOU that intends to COMPLETELY LEAVE OUT THE REAL CONTEXT of the full 7 signs of the end Christ gave in His Olivet Discourse, JUST so you can serve the false doctrines of men called Preterism! What a disgusting breach of the lesson our Lord Jesus was giving us you've done.
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I uhh don't think the "Devil" has changed my understanding of the word "generation." Its meaning in the Strong's is pretty clear. The way it is used in the New Testament is just as clear.That sinful and adulterous generation is still here. The devil has changed the meaning of Generation to annul your understanding. It is a type and their whole family including all offspring that will come forth from them. here is the word.
Strong's Number: 1074 Original Word Word Origin geneav from (a presumed derivative of) (1085) Transliterated Word TDNT Entry Genea 1:662,114 Phonetic Spelling Parts of Speech ghen-eh-ah' Noun Feminine DefinitionKing James Word Usage - Total: 42 generation 37, time 2, age 2, nation 1
- fathered, birth, nativity
- that which has been begotten, men of the same stock, a family
- the several ranks of natural descent, the successive members of a genealogy
- metaph. a group of men very like each other in endowments, pursuits, character
- esp. in a bad sense, a perverse nation
- the whole multitude of men living at the same time
- an age (i.e. the time ordinarily occupied be each successive generation), a space of 30 - 33 years
Matthew 1:17 (KJV)
So all the generations from Abraham to David are fourteen generations; and from David until the carrying away into Babylon are fourteen generations; and from the carrying away into Babylon unto Christ are fourteen generations.
Hey if you want to make the phrases I listed illustrative instead of literal, that is your business. We all have to stand before the judgement seat of Christ to give an account for our deeds and motives. Seems kind of heedless to me though.
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The word "generation" by itself is not how to interpret the timing Christ was talking about in that Matthew 24 chapter. The word generation itself can mean either a generation of time, or a generation of people. In the Matt.24 case, it's put for a generation of time, specifically the time of the 7 signs He gave there. But it's obviously God is blinding some away from that simple understanding.
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THE REAL CONTEXT OF MATTHEW 24...
Matt 24:1-36
1 And Jesus went out, and departed from the temple: and His disciples came to Him for to shew Him the buildings of the temple.
2 And Jesus said unto them, See ye not all these things? verily I say unto you, There shall not be left here one stone upon another, that shall not be thrown down.
That was the time when the second temple in Jerusalem still existed at Christ's first coming. He and His disciples were upon the Mount of Olives overlooking the Temple Mount. That 2nd temple and Jerusalem was destroyed in 69 A.D. when the Roman general Titus came upon the city. Per the Jewish historian Josephus (100 A.D.), the temple caught fire before the Romans could gain possession of it. The Wailing Wall stones, part of the old western wall, still exist today in Jerusalem. So not absolutely every stone there has been cast down yet. Jesus refers to the time of the end of this world for that event, not the 69 A.D. event.
3 And as He sat upon the mount of Olives, the disciples came unto Him privately, saying, Tell us, when shall these things be? and what shall be the sign of Thy coming, and of the end of the world?
Christ's disciples then ask Him specifically when these events will be, including the end of this present world, and the sign of His second coming. Some Preterists are so powerfully deceived, that they actually think Christ's second coming has already happened because of the 69 A.D. destruction of the temple and Jerusalem by the Romans. They are 'drunken in the night' in the darkness of deception because of such a false belief.
4 And Jesus answered and said unto them, Take heed that no man deceive you.
5 For many shall come in my name, saying, I am Christ; and shall deceive many.
That's the first sign, don't let any man deceive you. It's a parallel to the first Seal of Rev.6, the fake rider on a white horse trying to come in like how Jesus is to return riding a white horse per Rev.19. Christ makes Deception the main warning with this first sign of the end of this present world. No false messiah came in 69 A.D. to do the great signs and wonders Jesus will later explain about this deception warning. So Preterists simply bypass... this sign, or wrongly assign to something else, pretending they can't read it as written.
6 And ye shall hear of wars and rumours of wars: see that ye be not troubled: for all these things must come to pass, but the end is not yet.
The 2nd sign, a parallel to the 2nd Seal of Rev.6 about the red horse, a war horse. Christ reveals a mystery with this. The end of this present world will not happen with war, but with a false peace. The opposite of wars and rumours of wars is a time of peace. As long as there are wars and rumours of wars, like He says, the end is not yet.
7 For nation shall rise against nation, and kingdom against kingdom: and there shall be famines, and pestilences, and earthquakes, in divers places.
8 All these are the beginning of sorrows.
The 3rd and 4th signs, parallels to the 3rd and 4th Seals of Rev.6 about the black horse of commerce, and the pale horse of a 4 part working upon the earth by the locusts of Joel. The Romans sacking Jerusalem in 69 A.D. does not fit all that these two signs reveal.
9 Then shall they deliver you up to be afflicted, and shall kill you: and ye shall be hated of all nations for my name's sake.
10 And then shall many be offended, and shall betray one another, and shall hate one another.
11 And many false prophets shall rise, and shall deceive many.
12 And because iniquity shall abound, the love of many shall wax cold.
13 But he that shall endure unto the end, the same shall be saved.
14 And this gospel of the kingdom shall be preached in all the world for a witness unto all nations; and then shall the end come.
All this is the 5th sign, a parallel to the 5th Seal of Rev.6, about Christ's elect being delivered up to give a Testimony for Him, and killed for that Testimony. It includes a time when many false prophets (like those of Preterism), will work deception upon many.
15 When ye therefore shall see the abomination of desolation, spoken of by Daniel the prophet, stand in the holy place, (whoso readeth, let him understand:)
16 Then let them which be in Judaea flee into the mountains:
17 Let him which is on the housetop not come down to take any thing out of his house:
18 Neither let him which is in the field return back to take his clothes.
19 And woe unto them that are with child, and to them that give suck in those days!
20 But pray ye that your flight be not in the winter, neither on the sabbath day:
This is the 6th sign, a parallel to the 6th Seal about the "untimely figs". Christ links it to the "abomination of desolation" event in the Book of Daniel, which is about a vile person coming to power in Jerusalem to end the daily sacrifices and setup false idol worship INSIDE THE TEMPLE. Per Josephus, the Romans never gained access inside the Jerusalem Temple to do any of that. Antiochus IV in 170 B.C. was a blueprint for this event of false worship, as he DID gain access inside the Jerusalem Temple in 170 B.C., sacrificed swine upon the altar desolating the temple, and then setup an idol to pagan Greek Zeus worship. The Romans didn't do any of that, so Preterism bypasses this event too.
21 For then shall be great tribulation, such as was not since the beginning of the world to this time, no, nor ever shall be.
22 And except those days should be shortened, there should no flesh be saved: but for the elect's sake those days shall be shortened.
23 Then if any man shall say unto you, Lo, here is Christ, or there; believe it not.
24 For there shall arise false Christs, and false prophets, and shall shew great signs and wonders; insomuch that, if it were possible, they shall deceive the very elect.
25 Behold, I have told you before.
26 Wherefore if they shall say unto you, Behold, he is in the desert; go not forth: behold, he is in the secret chambers; believe it not.
More infor about the 6th sign (6th Seal) concerning a coming false messiah to do that abomination of desolation setting up of idol worship inside a temple in Jerusalem. It is to be a time of tribulation the likes the world has never seen, nor will ever again. That has yet to happen, and is prophesied for the very end of this present world just prior to Christ's return. That false one did not appear in 69 A.D. Jerusalem. The Romans were not that specific false entity.
27 For as the lightning cometh out of the east, and shineth even unto the west; so shall also the coming of the Son of man be.
28 For wheresoever the carcase is, there will the eagles be gathered together.
29 Immediately after the tribulation of those days shall the sun be darkened, and the moon shall not give her light, and the stars shall fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens shall be shaken:
30 And then shall appear the sign of the Son of man in heaven: and then shall all the tribes of the earth mourn, and they shall see the Son of man coming in the clouds of heaven with power and great glory.
31 And He shall send His angels with a great sound of a trumpet, and they shall gather together His elect from the four winds, from one end of heaven to the other.
The final 7th sign is a parallel to Christ's return in Rev.11 on the 7th Trumpet, and Rev.16 on the 7th Vial, and Rev.19. Just so happens, Zechariah 14 gave His disciples the events of His second coming to that VERY SPOT WHERE THEY WERE, the Mount of Olives. No doubt, His disciples already knew that Zech.14 prophecy, which is why they would ask about all this.
We know Christ's second coming has NOT happened yet today, simply because Paul and Peter told us His coming will be "as a thief" on "the day of The Lord" (1 Thess.5; 2 Pet.3:10). The "day of The Lord" contain events about a judgment upon the wicked on this earth and a destruction by fire upon this earth by God with Christ appearing in the clouds, and His saints being gathered to Him. Only someone deceived and foolish, or a liar, would claim such Bible events have already happened today.
32 Now learn a parable of the fig tree; When his branch is yet tender, and putteth forth leaves, ye know that summer is nigh:
33 So likewise ye, when ye shall see all these things, know that it is near, even at the doors.
Then Christ COMMANDS us to learn the parable of the fig tree. When a fig tree starts sprouting leaves in the Spring, then you know Summer is just around the corner. So also, when we 'see' ALL THESE THINGS, know that His coming is at the doors. Does that mean when we see the destruction of a temple only? Nope. He said "all these things", meaning all these signs, not just ONE of them. The fig tree parable involves the timing of Jer.24, when the good figs and bad figs would be planted in the holy land again, and not removed again. There's only one time that took place since the Romans destroyed the nation of Israel back in 69 A.D. Israel became a nation again in the land in 1948.
34 Verily I say unto you, This generation shall not pass, till all these things be fulfilled.
It is THAT generation which SEES "all these things" that Christ was speaking of. Did He say the generation that see the Romans destroy the temple and Jerusalem? Nope. He said, "all these things", meaning all these signs, not just ONE of them. This generation can ONLY mean the very last generation on this prior to Christ's second coming. 1948 is when He gave us to start watching all these things begin to come to pass, to mark the generation of His second coming.
The doctrine of Preterism is aligned with orthodox Judaism, those who reject Christ Jesus as The Saviour. The reason is because it's a bait to get you to trust in this PRESENT WORLD AS IT NOW IS AS CHRIST'S KINGDOM ALREADY HAVING COME. That's what it means to believe that these 7 signs for the end, which include Christ's second coming and our physical gathering to Him, as already past back in 69 A.D. There is simply no excuse for any professing Christian to hold or espouse the Preterist doctrines which point back to the Jews having coming up with it.
Hmmm. So I in all practicality say that the doctrine of Preterism is "heresy." I also lay out what Preterism is. Furthermore I state that the term Partial Preterist is a ruse by Preterist's to legitimize their teaching by calling many great
evangelical\Pentecostal preachers of old that believed these verses are talking about the destruction of Jerusalem "Partial Presterist." People by the way who still held your general views about the end of the world but just did not include Matthew 24, Luke 21 and Mark 13 in those teachings. Then you come along and say I am a Preterist. How very equitable of you. I see you also have the seven trumpets and the seven vials of Revelation all figured out. Congratulations on wisdom to boot, having done what no one else has seems to have done.
You ought to tone down the use of tags and eschatological "ism's" in debates about the meanings of scripture. As you can see we can all make use of sharp tongues intended to wound rather than helping one another. Straw men are created to be easy to knock down. Besides you made a mistake thinking you could "discern" me. You can't. You have no idea what my doctrines are on these subjects, nor my motives. I have only pointed out a grave error many are making in ignoring the dates Christ's puts on his own prophecies. Since you bring up Preterism though. You can have a look at what I say about the many as in multiple "comings or days" of the Lord listed in the scripture. Preterists as far as I know don't believe these things.
http://www.wordservi...sics/bb5000.htm
veteran
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It doesn't matter what one calls men's doctrine of Preterism, it is a false doctrine across the board, because if just the idea of the word 'preter' is used for what is past (which was how Preterism was initiated), then it has no 'specific' application for the end, because ALL of God's Word teaches us events that happened in the past.
Bible Scripture that is past is past, like the prophecy of Christ's first coming to die on the cross. That was fulfilled. It is past history. It is preter, meaning what is past. The word preter in that usage can only point to prophecy that has been fulfilled. It cannot override prophecy that is still YET to be fulfilled, but that's EXACTLY how the doctrines of Preterism are applied by the traditions of men. And that's why it is a false doctrine to try and defeat the prophecies that are still yet to come to pass.
Bible Scripture that is past is past, like the prophecy of Christ's first coming to die on the cross. That was fulfilled. It is past history. It is preter, meaning what is past. The word preter in that usage can only point to prophecy that has been fulfilled. It cannot override prophecy that is still YET to be fulfilled, but that's EXACTLY how the doctrines of Preterism are applied by the traditions of men. And that's why it is a false doctrine to try and defeat the prophecies that are still yet to come to pass.
BibleScribe
Member
Hi Dan,
I made the following comment, ...
PS This argument is not new to a preterist, but is presented for the other Forum readers. :)
... because you are blinded by a false doctrine. And no amount of TRUTH can break that spell. So enjoy whatever satisfaction you get from your delusions. :blink:
BibleScribe
I made the following comment, ...
PS This argument is not new to a preterist, but is presented for the other Forum readers. :)
... because you are blinded by a false doctrine. And no amount of TRUTH can break that spell. So enjoy whatever satisfaction you get from your delusions. :blink:
BibleScribe
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Veteran,It doesn't matter what one calls men's doctrine of Preterism, it is a false doctrine across the board, because if just the idea of the word 'preter' is used for what is past (which was how Preterism was initiated), then it has no 'specific' application for the end, because ALL of God's Word teaches us events that happened in the past.
Bible Scripture that is past is past, like the prophecy of Christ's first coming to die on the cross. That was fulfilled. It is past history. It is preter, meaning what is past. The word preter in that usage can only point to prophecy that has been fulfilled. It cannot override prophecy that is still YET to be fulfilled, but that's EXACTLY how the doctrines of Preterism are applied by the traditions of men. And that's why it is a false doctrine to try and defeat the prophecies that are still yet to come to pass.
Neither can you override prophecies that are for now and for the future with prophecies that were fulfilled in the past. That is why I write what I write. When you take prophecies that were fulfilled in the past and place them in the future. Then you are blind to the ones that are in fact for the future. For you are in fact prophesying. Are you ready to deal with the consequences of using the medium of teaching to tell believers what lies in their future?
veteran
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Veteran,
Neither can you override prophecies that are for now and for the future with prophecies that were fulfilled in the past. That is why I write what I write. When you take prophecies that were fulfilled in the past and place them in the future. Then you are blind to the ones that are in fact for the future. For you are in fact prophesying. Are you ready to deal with the consequences of using the medium of teaching to tell believers what lies in their future?
I stand by what I covered from Matt.24 about the signs of the end of this present world our Lord Jesus was giving His disciples upon the Mount of Olives.
The Roman destruction of the Jerusalem temple and city in 69 A.D. did not apply to any of the other signs our Lord Jesus gave there, and that's a major CLUE to look further at those other signs He gave in relation to unfulfilled prophecy. Preterism does not care to do that, but only determines to MOVE all those other signs to that one 69 A.D. event of history.
The fact that there exists within Preterism, even 'Partial Preterists' who REFUSE to believe the last sign Jesus gave about His second coming there as being already past, is another major CLUE that Preterism is a designed doctrine of false prophets to get people's understanding away from the very signs Christ gave us to be watching for the end of this present world.
So how can the Roman 69 A.D. event be understood in relation to the other signs Christ gave there? If the orthodox Jews in Jerusalem build a third temple in Jerusalem in OUR days, as they plan to do and already have the materials ready for, then that Preterist idea of the Romans destroying the temple and city in 69 A.D. will become a missed interpretation for the end. Enough unfulfilled prophecy exists to show already that Preterist idea is a missed interpretation, because of the Zechariah 14 prophecy of Christ's second coming back to that Mount of Olives, and the parting of that area to form a new valley, which is still yet to occur.
Veteran,
....
For you are in fact prophesying. Are you ready to deal with the consequences of using the medium of teaching to tell believers what lies in their future?
That kind rhetoric does not scare me one bit. Nor does it change the false premises of men's doctrines of Preterism, which are easily revealed as false doctrines outside of God's Holy Writ.
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Veteran,
That kind of rhetoric better scare you. Just like bearing false witness against someone aught to scare you.
So I have answers to your other signs if you care to read which I doubt.
http://www.wordservice.org/Bible%20Basics/bb3000.htm
That kind of rhetoric better scare you. Just like bearing false witness against someone aught to scare you.
So I have answers to your other signs if you care to read which I doubt.
http://www.wordservice.org/Bible%20Basics/bb3000.htm
n2thelight
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Many prophecies in the Bible are dual. In such cases a prophet speaks under inspiration of God and a first fulfillment of the prophecy comes to pass. Then, later, often at the end of the age before the return of Christ, comes a final, ultimate fulfillment.
An excellent example of duality is found in a prediction Joel made about the Holy Spirit: "And it shall come to pass afterward that I will pour out My Spirit on all flesh; your sons and your daughters shall prophesy, your old men shall dream dreams, your young men shall see visions.
And also on My menservants and on My maidservants I will pour out My Spirit in those days.
"And I will show wonders in the heavens and in the earth: blood and fire and pillars of smoke. The sun shall be turned into darkness, and the moon into blood, before the coming of the great and awesome day of the Lord ... I will also gather all nations, and bring them down to the Valley of Jehoshaphat; and I will enter into judgment with them there..." (Joel:2:28-3:2).
God inspired the apostle Peter to quote from this passage to describe events on the Day of Pentecost, when God founded the Church after Jesus' resurrection (Acts:2:14-21[14]But Peter, standing up with the eleven, lifted up his voice, and said unto them, Ye men of Judaea, and all ye that dwell at Jerusalem, be this known unto you, and hearken to my words:[15]For these are not drunken, as ye suppose, seeing it is but the third hour of the day.
[16]But this is that which was spoken by the prophet Joel;[17]And it shall come to pass in the last days, saith God, I will pour out of my Spirit upon all flesh: and your sons and your daughters shall prophesy, and your young men shall see visions, and your old men shall dream dreams:
[18]And on my servants and on my handmaidens I will pour out in those days of my Spirit; and they shall prophesy:[19]And I will shew wonders in heaven above, and signs in the earth beneath; blood, and fire, and vapour of smoke:
[20]The sun shall be turned into darkness, and the moon into blood, before the great and notable day of the Lord come:
[21]And it shall come to pass, that whosoever shall call on the name of the Lord shall be saved.). Miraculous manifestations of God's power through the Holy Spirit did indeed occur then (verses 1-13). But these were only the first fulfillment of Joel's prophecy. The ultimate fulfillment will come at the time of the end and will involve, among other things, the gathering of the nations to God's judgment in the Valley of Jehoshaphat. This did not occur on the Day of Pentecost. So we see that prophecies can be dual.
In a similar fashion, God inspired many other prophecies with dual meanings. They applied as warnings to the Israelites at that time and as warnings to the modern descendants of those same people. The people of Britain, the United States, Canada, Australia and New Zealand and the nations of northwest Europe who represent these people today would do well to heed these warnings.
This prophecy will be fullfilled again in the below verse,yet future
Mark 13:11 But when they shall lead you, and deliver you up, take no thought beforehand what ye shall speak, neither do ye premeditate: but whatsoever shall be given you in that hour, that speak ye: for it is not ye that speak, but the Holy Ghost.
An excellent example of duality is found in a prediction Joel made about the Holy Spirit: "And it shall come to pass afterward that I will pour out My Spirit on all flesh; your sons and your daughters shall prophesy, your old men shall dream dreams, your young men shall see visions.
And also on My menservants and on My maidservants I will pour out My Spirit in those days.
"And I will show wonders in the heavens and in the earth: blood and fire and pillars of smoke. The sun shall be turned into darkness, and the moon into blood, before the coming of the great and awesome day of the Lord ... I will also gather all nations, and bring them down to the Valley of Jehoshaphat; and I will enter into judgment with them there..." (Joel:2:28-3:2).
God inspired the apostle Peter to quote from this passage to describe events on the Day of Pentecost, when God founded the Church after Jesus' resurrection (Acts:2:14-21[14]But Peter, standing up with the eleven, lifted up his voice, and said unto them, Ye men of Judaea, and all ye that dwell at Jerusalem, be this known unto you, and hearken to my words:[15]For these are not drunken, as ye suppose, seeing it is but the third hour of the day.
[16]But this is that which was spoken by the prophet Joel;[17]And it shall come to pass in the last days, saith God, I will pour out of my Spirit upon all flesh: and your sons and your daughters shall prophesy, and your young men shall see visions, and your old men shall dream dreams:
[18]And on my servants and on my handmaidens I will pour out in those days of my Spirit; and they shall prophesy:[19]And I will shew wonders in heaven above, and signs in the earth beneath; blood, and fire, and vapour of smoke:
[20]The sun shall be turned into darkness, and the moon into blood, before the great and notable day of the Lord come:
[21]And it shall come to pass, that whosoever shall call on the name of the Lord shall be saved.). Miraculous manifestations of God's power through the Holy Spirit did indeed occur then (verses 1-13). But these were only the first fulfillment of Joel's prophecy. The ultimate fulfillment will come at the time of the end and will involve, among other things, the gathering of the nations to God's judgment in the Valley of Jehoshaphat. This did not occur on the Day of Pentecost. So we see that prophecies can be dual.
In a similar fashion, God inspired many other prophecies with dual meanings. They applied as warnings to the Israelites at that time and as warnings to the modern descendants of those same people. The people of Britain, the United States, Canada, Australia and New Zealand and the nations of northwest Europe who represent these people today would do well to heed these warnings.
This prophecy will be fullfilled again in the below verse,yet future
Mark 13:11 But when they shall lead you, and deliver you up, take no thought beforehand what ye shall speak, neither do ye premeditate: but whatsoever shall be given you in that hour, that speak ye: for it is not ye that speak, but the Holy Ghost.
I know the day and the hour that I need to be ready.
That is enough.
The day is "today" and the hour is "now".
2 Corinthians 6:2 (For he saith, I have heard thee in a time accepted, and in the day of salvation have I succoured thee: behold, now is the accepted time; behold, now is the day of salvation.)
That is enough.
The day is "today" and the hour is "now".
2 Corinthians 6:2 (For he saith, I have heard thee in a time accepted, and in the day of salvation have I succoured thee: behold, now is the accepted time; behold, now is the day of salvation.)
BibleScribe
Member
Hey Vengle,
I think the context was Jesus speaking to HIS followers regarding HIS Return on earth, -- not the day of salvation.
However, my wife regularly suggests that Jesus might come for me if I don't knock it off. :lol:
BibleScribe
I think the context was Jesus speaking to HIS followers regarding HIS Return on earth, -- not the day of salvation.
However, my wife regularly suggests that Jesus might come for me if I don't knock it off. :lol:
BibleScribe
Hey Vengle,
I think the context was Jesus speaking to HIS followers regarding HIS Return on earth, -- not the day of salvation.
However, my wife regularly suggests that Jesus might come for me if I don't knock it off. :lol:
BibleScribe
Yes :)
It is like that old saying about living each day like it is your last.
Sounds like that may be more urgent for you than for most. :lol:
veteran
New Member
Veteran,
That kind of rhetoric better scare you. Just like bearing false witness against someone aught to scare you.
So I have answers to your other signs if you care to read which I doubt.
http://www.wordservi...sics/bb3000.htm
Don't think for a minute that I'm scared of anything you say. You've already revealed to us here that you very much hold to the false doctrines of Preterism...
and I'll quote you to prove it:
"Almost all believers use the phrase. "No one knows the day or the hour" to shoot down future end time predictions. Yet Jesus used that phrase "no one knows the day or the hour" to tell them that no one knows the exact day and hour of the events that he predicted\ prophesied would happen in the first century. In other words that phrase, "no one knows the day and the hour." is being ripped out of it's context of events that were to happen in the first century, and put in context of never end prognostications about future events.
However. That is not really what I wanted to discuss. What I wanted people to "discover" by all those scriptures I listed was that Jesus, Jehovah the Word himself. Put a date on the fulfillment of Matthew 24, Mark 13 and Luke 21. The date he put on the fulfillment of those prophesies was in the lifetime's of many of those to whom he was speaking.He even used his signature phrase "In truth I say to you." to say, "This generation shall not pass, till all these things be fulfilled.""
That part of what you said above that I underlined is the doctrine of men called Preterism. It is the false attempt to move all the 7 signs to the days of Christ's Apostles.
So you're not fooling anyone, especially not me.
veteran
New Member
Preterism is a favorite idea especially with those who refuse to believe Christ's future "thousand years" reign of Rev.20 is literal, and still future to us.
Preterism serves the ideas of THIS world, because the worst case of Full Preterism adheres to the false idea that Christ's second coming also happened... back in the days of His Apostles, and to try and prop that lie up they simply apply Christ's return in the spiritual sense only!
Do you know what that would mean WE as Christians would have to accept to believe such a blatant lie as that???
We would have to accept that TODAY is Christ's Kingdom ALREADY manifested upon this earth WITH ALL THE EVILS that are still going on in the world!!! What kind of messed up ideology is that?? That would be to believe that our Lord Jesus really cannot reign over all... peoples and nations like His Word declares He will, since evil peoples on earth today are still murdering, raping little children, etc.! It would be to make our Lord Jesus not King of The Just like He is, but a king no different than flesh rulers on earth we already have today!!!
How do you like their false picture of Christ's Salvation? a Salvation of a concurrent existence with devils right here on earth with us?
That's why the Preterist doctrine, especially the Full Preterist doctrine, is right out of the books of devils!
When my Lord Jesus Christ returns, we are ALL going to see Him, and He is going to take rule over ALL peoples and nations left upon this earth, and rule over them with a rod of iron, breaking them to shivers as potter does clay, for it is written.
The ones who want to rule in His stead today will be cast into the pit with the one they serve, the devil. They will be made powerless, even as the devil will be made powerless in that coming time of Christ's reign.
Preterism serves the ideas of THIS world, because the worst case of Full Preterism adheres to the false idea that Christ's second coming also happened... back in the days of His Apostles, and to try and prop that lie up they simply apply Christ's return in the spiritual sense only!
Do you know what that would mean WE as Christians would have to accept to believe such a blatant lie as that???
We would have to accept that TODAY is Christ's Kingdom ALREADY manifested upon this earth WITH ALL THE EVILS that are still going on in the world!!! What kind of messed up ideology is that?? That would be to believe that our Lord Jesus really cannot reign over all... peoples and nations like His Word declares He will, since evil peoples on earth today are still murdering, raping little children, etc.! It would be to make our Lord Jesus not King of The Just like He is, but a king no different than flesh rulers on earth we already have today!!!
How do you like their false picture of Christ's Salvation? a Salvation of a concurrent existence with devils right here on earth with us?
That's why the Preterist doctrine, especially the Full Preterist doctrine, is right out of the books of devils!
When my Lord Jesus Christ returns, we are ALL going to see Him, and He is going to take rule over ALL peoples and nations left upon this earth, and rule over them with a rod of iron, breaking them to shivers as potter does clay, for it is written.
The ones who want to rule in His stead today will be cast into the pit with the one they serve, the devil. They will be made powerless, even as the devil will be made powerless in that coming time of Christ's reign.
BibleScribe
Member
Hi Veteran,
It would seem that the problem isn't ~preterism~, but rather ignorance. Specifically, if one cannot resolve a ~fulfillment~ then it's human nature to formulate various hypotheses. And certainly one of these hypotheses is preterism.
As such we should recognize the distinction between many so called scholars who provide answers, not because they're correct, but because they have the ~fewest~ faults. And where they each recognize those failures, it's the best answer they can come up with.
And so we see the integrity of an Isaac Newton who performed his research on Prophetic Scripture only to realize the nonsensical impossibility of those ancient fulfillments. But where others would publish, he refused. Thus he earns his SIR title, and those others simply deserve LIAR.
Accordingly, these would do well to obey the angelic instructions of Daniel 12:4 & 9.
BibleScribe
It would seem that the problem isn't ~preterism~, but rather ignorance. Specifically, if one cannot resolve a ~fulfillment~ then it's human nature to formulate various hypotheses. And certainly one of these hypotheses is preterism.
As such we should recognize the distinction between many so called scholars who provide answers, not because they're correct, but because they have the ~fewest~ faults. And where they each recognize those failures, it's the best answer they can come up with.
And so we see the integrity of an Isaac Newton who performed his research on Prophetic Scripture only to realize the nonsensical impossibility of those ancient fulfillments. But where others would publish, he refused. Thus he earns his SIR title, and those others simply deserve LIAR.
Accordingly, these would do well to obey the angelic instructions of Daniel 12:4 & 9.
BibleScribe
veteran
New Member
Hi Veteran,
It would seem that the problem isn't ~preterism~, but rather ignorance. Specifically, if one cannot resolve a ~fulfillment~ then it's human nature to formulate various hypotheses. And certainly one of these hypotheses is preterism.
As such we should recognize the distinction between many so called scholars who provide answers, not because they're correct, but because they have the ~fewest~ faults. And where they each recognize those failures, it's the best answer they can come up with.
And so we see the integrity of an Isaac Newton who performed his research on Prophetic Scripture only to realize the nonsensical impossibility of those ancient fulfillments. But where others would publish, he refused. Thus he earns his SIR title, and those others simply deserve LIAR.
Accordingly, these would do well to obey the angelic instructions of Daniel 12:4 & 9.
BibleScribe
The problem isn't ignorance either, at least not with those who create such false doctrines like Preterism. Those who create such lies I have to believe know exactly what they're doing, and that they well know they follow the father of lies.
I don't want anyone to think that I don't recognize Christ's Kingdom in the 'spiritual' as already having come today through His Church here on earth. But that's still a huge different concept than what His Word reveals of the world to come with His future de facto in Person reign with His elect here on earth, with ALL the wicked being subdued in bowing to Him.
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That is awful strange. To be accused of having a "doctrine of men" because I acknowledge the words of Christ exactly the way he said them just like you underlined them. Then you go on to accuse me of something you are doing not me. Taking the seven seals and seven vials of Revelation and claiming they are referring to Matthew 24, Mark 13 and Luke 21. I don't claim that, you do! I say those seven seals and seven vials are poured out upon the Roman Empire centuries after the days of the apostles. As stated very clearly in my article about end time prophecy linked below.Don't think for a minute that I'm scared of anything you say. You've already revealed to us here that you very much hold to the false doctrines of Preterism...
and I'll quote you to prove it:
"Almost all believers use the phrase. "No one knows the day or the hour" to shoot down future end time predictions. Yet Jesus used that phrase "no one knows the day or the hour" to tell them that no one knows the exact day and hour of the events that he predicted\ prophesied would happen in the first century. In other words that phrase, "no one knows the day and the hour." is being ripped out of it's context of events that were to happen in the first century, and put in context of never end prognostications about future events.
However. That is not really what I wanted to discuss. What I wanted people to "discover" by all those scriptures I listed was that Jesus, Jehovah the Word himself. Put a date on the fulfillment of Matthew 24, Mark 13 and Luke 21. The date he put on the fulfillment of those prophesies was in the lifetime's of many of those to whom he was speaking.He even used his signature phrase "In truth I say to you." to say, "This generation shall not pass, till all these things be fulfilled.""
That part of what you said above that I underlined is the doctrine of men called Preterism. It is the false attempt to move all the 7 signs to the days of Christ's Apostles.
So you're not fooling anyone, especially not me.
http://wordservice.org/Bible%20Prophecy/bp3000.htm
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