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I'm not really surprised by some of the words bandied about on these posts. Liar, Child of Satan the father of lies, blah blah blah. Don't think much of followings forum rules. it is what it is though.
By your definition of Preterism Bible Scribe and Veteran you yourselves are Preterists. After all you believe there are prophecies that have been fulfilled. On the other had the reason I am not a Preterist is because I don't believe what Preterists themselves say Preterism is. They generally believe that all Bible prophecy has come to pass. More specifically that all Bible prophecy was fulfilled in 70 A.D.
Since I believe that about one-hundred chapters of prophecy are in the process of coming to pass or are to be fullfilled in the future. Why would I ever call myself a Preterist? It would be like calling myself a a futurist just because I believe that some prophesies are still out in the future. So I can't call myself a futurist because I do not believe that all the prophecies that futurists generally claim are for the future. Ditto for dispensationalist. Obviously there are things that could be called dispensations in the Bible. Since I do not believe those things are exactly dispensationalist generally claim they are. I cannot call myself a dispensationalist. Same goes for the other "isms." To throw these titles around is simply an attempt to get peoples noses out of the book their noses should be in and to focus their attention of other things. Do you think your winning the argument because you erect a little straw man and name him "preterist." What I mean by this is that allot of people are reading this thread. In the long run what do you think will affect them more. Someone pointing out that Jesus put a date on his prophecies using Jesus own words or... a couple of guys using words like liar, deceiver, Preterist ect ect?
Now to bring this argument to another level. I have noticed that Preterists are huge on calling 70 A.D. the second coming of the Lord. Of course futurist claim that this second coming is in our future. In fact the term "the second coming" is almost universally used by evangelical\ Pentecostal Christians. I have even heard a couple of evangelical leaders say that it is an essential truth. That is if you do not believe in it, your probably not a real Christian. This is all strange to me, such universal usage of a phrase that is not found anywhere in the New Testament. Yep get out your Bible software and do a search. You will find the word second in front of the word appearance one time. You will not find the word second in front of any of the words translated coming though. The word that is used is simply coming. Not second coming but just plain coming. What you'll find is there are a bunch of these "comings" both in the Old and the New Testaments. Like for instance the Lord came down from heaven at the time of the judgement against Sodom and Gomorrah? Abraham adressed him as Jehovah a dozen times. The apostle John actually addressed this confusion among bleivers about these "comings" of the Lord. This link will take you there.
http://wordservice.o...sics/bb5000.htm
By your definition of Preterism Bible Scribe and Veteran you yourselves are Preterists. After all you believe there are prophecies that have been fulfilled. On the other had the reason I am not a Preterist is because I don't believe what Preterists themselves say Preterism is. They generally believe that all Bible prophecy has come to pass. More specifically that all Bible prophecy was fulfilled in 70 A.D.
Since I believe that about one-hundred chapters of prophecy are in the process of coming to pass or are to be fullfilled in the future. Why would I ever call myself a Preterist? It would be like calling myself a a futurist just because I believe that some prophesies are still out in the future. So I can't call myself a futurist because I do not believe that all the prophecies that futurists generally claim are for the future. Ditto for dispensationalist. Obviously there are things that could be called dispensations in the Bible. Since I do not believe those things are exactly dispensationalist generally claim they are. I cannot call myself a dispensationalist. Same goes for the other "isms." To throw these titles around is simply an attempt to get peoples noses out of the book their noses should be in and to focus their attention of other things. Do you think your winning the argument because you erect a little straw man and name him "preterist." What I mean by this is that allot of people are reading this thread. In the long run what do you think will affect them more. Someone pointing out that Jesus put a date on his prophecies using Jesus own words or... a couple of guys using words like liar, deceiver, Preterist ect ect?
Now to bring this argument to another level. I have noticed that Preterists are huge on calling 70 A.D. the second coming of the Lord. Of course futurist claim that this second coming is in our future. In fact the term "the second coming" is almost universally used by evangelical\ Pentecostal Christians. I have even heard a couple of evangelical leaders say that it is an essential truth. That is if you do not believe in it, your probably not a real Christian. This is all strange to me, such universal usage of a phrase that is not found anywhere in the New Testament. Yep get out your Bible software and do a search. You will find the word second in front of the word appearance one time. You will not find the word second in front of any of the words translated coming though. The word that is used is simply coming. Not second coming but just plain coming. What you'll find is there are a bunch of these "comings" both in the Old and the New Testaments. Like for instance the Lord came down from heaven at the time of the judgement against Sodom and Gomorrah? Abraham adressed him as Jehovah a dozen times. The apostle John actually addressed this confusion among bleivers about these "comings" of the Lord. This link will take you there.
http://wordservice.o...sics/bb5000.htm