God kills Hypocrites and Takes them Home. He will not be Mocked.

[farouk]

Sure there is.

Know ye not what the scripture saith:

“Let not sin therefore reign in your mortal body, that ye should obey it in the lusts thereof. Neither yield ye your members as instruments of unrighteousness unto sin: but yield yourselves unto God, as those that are alive from the dead, and your members as instruments of righteousness unto God. For sin shall not have dominion over you: for ye are not under the law, but under grace.” (Romans 6:12-14)

Notice the “ye”, “your”, and “you” words?

These are saved Christians that Paul is addressing that can become unrighteous again.

Those verses do not teach 'saved today, lost tomorrow'.

 

[farouk]

talking about OSAS …offensive is that Christ is used as a cloak for malice? Yea? Makes me wonder why the Pharisees are so admired for what they are not. Why do we latch on so tightly to the Pharisees failures …could it be to cover up our own by saying none is so rotten as them there Pharisees. Yet they were saying basically the same things “I go to this church”, “I’ve said the prayer”, “Have I gotten His name right”, “I fast”, “I speak in tongues”, “I’m a leader in the church”, “I go door to door”…”have I not saved those that are lost?”, “have I not preached the good news?” “Have I not converted sinners”, “have I not read the right version of the Bible” “have I not cast out demons in your name?” “Did I not belong to the right demonstration”? The right people?

@VictoryinJesus Here's another Phariseeical statement which can be said proudly: "I don't smoke..."

 

[Michiah-Imla]

Those verses do not teach 'saved today, lost tomorrow'.

I was not addressing that aspect.

But to address yours:

“Behold therefore the goodness and severity of God: on them which fell, severity; but toward thee, goodness, if thou continue in his goodness: otherwise thou also shalt be cut off. And they also, if they abide not still in unbelief, shall be graffed in: for God is able to graff them in again.” (Romans 11:22-23)

“Let us hold fast the profession of our faith without wavering… For if we sin wilfully after that we have received the knowledge of the truth, there remaineth no more sacrifice for sins” (Hebrews 10:23-26)

Christ isn’t an endless supply of “forgiveness” tokens you can just plop into the salvation machine so you can continue to sin.

 

[VictoryinJesus]

@VictoryinJesus Here's another Phariseeical statement which can be said proudly: "I don't smoke..."

I am of the Jehovah witness and belong to the Kingdom Hall.
I am of the Mormon church.
I am of the Baptist church.
I am of OSAS.
I am of the Catholic Church.
I am of Hell, Fire and Brimstone.
I am of the Sabbath day Keepers.
I am of the Jews.
I am of the Gentiles.
I am of Paul.
I am of Apollos.
I am of flesh.
I am of blood.
Sit here, no sit over there.
I am of the Spirit.
1 Corinthians 3:4

any wonder how “God is not the author of confusion”?

 

[Michiah-Imla]

@VictoryinJesus , the rendering given in the text link is weak. The King James Bible has a much better rendering:

“For while one saith, I am of Paul; and another, I am of Apollos; are ye not carnal?” (1 Corinthians 3:4)

 

[farouk]

I was not addressing that aspect.

But to address yours:

“Behold therefore the goodness and severity of God: on them which fell, severity; but toward thee, goodness, if thou continue in his goodness: otherwise thou also shalt be cut off. And they also, if they abide not still in unbelief, shall be graffed in: for God is able to graff them in again.” (Romans 11:22-23)

“Let us hold fast the profession of our faith without wavering… For if we sin wilfully after that we have received the knowledge of the truth, there remaineth no more sacrifice for sins” (Hebrews 10:23-26)

Christ isn’t an endless supply of “forgiveness” tokens you can just plop into the salvation machine so you can continue to sin.

Apostates were never truly saved in the first place. Otherwise it makes the work of Christ at the Cross one big failure, supposedly.

 

[Michiah-Imla]

Apostates were never truly saved in the first place.

Last I checked dear friend that epistle Paul wrote was not the “Epistle to the Apostates”.

 

[farouk]

Last I checked dear friend that epistle Paul wrote was not the “Epistle to the Apostates”.

Saved today, lost tomorrow implies that faith in the finished work of Christ (John 19.30; Hebrews chs. 9 and 10) is not enough and we supposedly need to keep adding to it so that we can supposedly get there in the end, and only some of us.

 

[VictoryinJesus]

@VictoryinJesus , the rendering given in the text link is weak. The King James Bible has a much better rendering:

“For while one saith, I am of Paul; and another, I am of Apollos; are ye not carnal?” (1 Corinthians 3:4)

exactly. Back to the topic of OSAS.

 

[Taken]

Sure there is.

Know ye not what the scripture saith:

“Let not sin therefore reign in your mortal body, that ye should obey it in the lusts thereof. Neither yield ye your members as instruments of unrighteousness unto sin:

No, that is NOT a Sav-ED man.
That is INSTRUCTION TO an unSav-ed man.

but yield yourselves unto God, as those that are alive from the dead, and your members as instruments of righteousness unto God.

No, that is NOT a Sav-ED man.
That is INSTRUCTION TO an unSav-ed man WHO “MAY FREELY CHOOSE TO YEILD to God”.

For sin shall not have dominion over you: for ye are not under the law, but under grace.” (Romans 6:12-14)

THAT ^ is the RESULT of a man WHO Yields to God, AND RECEIVES Gods Gift of Salvation.

Notice the “ye”, “your”, and “you” words?

Of course ye, your, you, ARE noted...That is the proper pronoun when speaking to manKIND.

These are saved Christians that Paul is addressing that can become unrighteous again.

IF you studied Scripture, you would FIND, BELIEVER, does not mean Saved. Believers can fall away. The Sav-ED can never fall away.

If you studied Scripture, you would FIND...
A man who HEARS the Word of God; is gifted with measures of Faith.
A man who BELIEVES what he HEARS; is doing WORKS favorable to God
A man who WILLINGLY GIVES his LIFE....has done a SERVICE that God Quickly Seals unto Himself.

Men who Hear and receive faith, can fall away, BECAUSE THEY ARE NOT SAVED.
Men who Believe and do works, can fall away, BECAUSE THEY AEE NOT
SAVED.
Men who have performed the Service of Sacrificing their Life, crucified with Christ, ARE SAVED, and can NEVER fall away.

Do you NOT UNDERSTAND the difference BETWEEN Believing AND Committing BY A VOW of Heartful Belief?

Men can BELIEVE all day long, or wonder, or doubt, or believe the next day, and the next week, doubt, and believe and doubt.

Believing, calling yourself a Christian, taking a dip in water, going to church, tithing, fasting, feeding the poor, helping your neighbor, aiding a stranger, bowing Dow to statues, hanging crosses around your neck or on walls, wearing long robes, being paraded around on a pedestal, participating in rituals, in traditions.....

DOES NOT MAKE YOU SAVED, while ALIVE in your flesh body!
A BODY MUST DIE, BEFORE IT CAN RECEIVE Salvation, Quickening, BE forever with the Lord God.

^ THAT is why it is SO Utterly Ridiculous for men to TEACH and PREACH, Salvation is put on and off LIVING MEN, like an old coat they tire of an throw it off.....THAT IS BELIEF men throw off them...
NOT Salvation, Receipt of Salvation REQUIRES a bodily DEATH!

Really, is that New MAN, by his own power going to come back to life of his OLD MAN, and throw off his Salvation?
Where is that ridiculous Scriptural teaching?

Has @robert derrick @Keraz shown you such teaching to support their anti-Salvation?

 

[Michiah-Imla]

 

[Michiah-Imla]

That is INSTRUCTION TO an unSav-ed man.

NO It’s N-ot

 

[robert derrick]

Yes, that is the verse I thought of while reading this thread “spit on them” “those hypocrites”.

I’ve struggled with OSAS, more for it than against it. But then I’m stuck and if I had to assume what has riled y’all up about OSAS is the teaching we can do whatever we want while claiming Jesus as cover to eliminate “help me God! I’m a sinner!” Instead to settle into our old ways to keep them, and call it of God? So in some ways I can see why this thread calls “hypocrites”.

Actually, I stand corrected. Thank you very much. I will cease to call unrighteous OSAS sinners for life, hypocrites.

They are hypocrites in naming the name of Jesus Christ and not departing from their sinning, and with no intention of doing so, since they teach that is impossible. However, they certainly are not hypocrites according to their teaching of being double hearted sinners for life. They would only be hypocrites, if they were doing righteousness, instead of sinning.

And so, their OSAS christ they trust in would not call them hypocrites, but rather, let's say loose canons? Out of control? Too depraved? Beyond the pale?

And so, I've amended it without the 'hypocrite' remark. I hope it now meets with your approval.

But, of course, the teaching itself is so beyond the pale insane, I really didn't think I could mess it up even worse than it is.

But, I do take the point to heart. So long as OSAS unrighteous sinners are not claiming to be doing righteousness, even as the Lord Jesus is righteous, then I will no more call them hypocrites.

Thanks again.

 

[amigo de christo]

NO It’s N-ot

Me thinks some folks forget that the letters were not written to unbelievers but rather to BELIEVERS . IT APPLIES TO US ALL . ER SINGLE WORD .

 

[robert derrick]

Y’all represent The height of hypocrisy.

Then shouldn't you be praying I be taken home early?

Or are the only ones too depraved to go to heaven, early or otherwise, those who preach against sinning with the devil against God at any time?

Don't bother with a usual non-answer. It's just rhetorical.

 

[robert derrick]

When the OSAS christ decides to kill his unruly brother and take him away into the throne room of the most high, does he judge the heart of the out-of-control family member, whether he is doing it all on purpose just to go home early?

Or does it matter?

I mean, there is suicide by cop, so why not suicide by christ?

 

[VictoryinJesus]

Actually, I stand corrected. Thank you very much. I will cease to call unrighteous OSAS sinners for life, hypocrites.

They are hypocrites in naming the name of Jesus Christ and not departing from their sinning, and with no intention of doing so, since they teach that is impossible. However, they certainly are not hypocrites according to their teaching of being double hearted sinners for life. They would only be hypocrites, if they were doing righteousness, instead of sinning.

And so, their OSAS christ they trust in would not call them hypocrites, but rather, let's say loose canons? Out of control? Too depraved? Beyond the pale?

And so, I've amended it without the 'hypocrite' remark. I hope it now meets with your approval.

But, of course, the teaching itself is so beyond the pale insane, I really didn't think I could mess it up even worse than it is.

But, I do take the point to heart. So long as OSAS unrighteous sinners are not claiming to be doing righteousness, even as the Lord Jesus is righteous, then I will no more call them hypocrites.

Thanks again.

you don’t have to change anything for me in regards to you said: And so, I've amended it without the 'hypocrite' remark. I hope it now meets with your approval.

if I’m being honest that whole post seems to be saying one thing but with also sarcasm hidden. For instance …”I won’t call them a hypocrites”’because “they do practice what they preach” even though it be “insane”? Did I understand correctly the intent?

Because of the topic of the thread “God will not be mocked”is it wrong to reflect on
Matthew 7:2-5 For with what judgment you judge, you shall be judged: and with what measure you mete, it shall be measured to you again. [3] And why behold thou the mote that is in your brother's eye, but consider not the beam that is in thine own eye? [4] Or how will you say to your brother, Let me pull out the mote out of your eye; and, behold, a beam is in your own eye? [5] Thou hypocrite, first cast out the beam out of your own eye; and then will you see clearly to cast out the mote out of your brother's eye.

what I hear in the OP …correct me if I’m wrong is…hold up, come here and let me take the beam out of your eye. All the while I’m unsure if you will hit me over the head with a beam…so why would I ask for your help removing it?

 

[robert derrick]

So Ananias and Sapphira were taken home early.

But then, how should that put fear in the churches, that someone just drops dead without any apparent pain, and goes to heaven.

Shouldn't they have been lining up to go next? Sort of start their own heavenly queue for over-the-top sinners?

 

[marks]

@VictoryinJesus That verse shows the unconverted Pharisee trusting in the works of the law, not on confessioning his sins and believing the gospel (1 John 1:9).

Jesus is here comparing the one who believes he is without sin, right with God, with the one who has no such delusions that he doesn't sin, and instead has humility before God.

One stands there saying, "I'm righteous, not like that sinner there!"

So whomever the shoe fits . . . that's the one who wears it.

This thread is part of a stream of threads of straw man arguments imputing all sorts of evil and absurdity to those with whom the writer disagrees, and I personally am not of the mind that this is a righteous thing to do. Not what I've been seeing.

It's one thing to disagree with someone, but to grossly misrepresent their beliefs for the sake of impugning them, no, not right, not good, not edifying, not honest.

So think of that what you will, but I'm still thinking we are all still "works in process".

Much love!

 

[robert derrick]

you don’t have to change anything for me in regards to you said: And so, I've amended it without the 'hypocrite' remark. I hope it now meets with your approval.

if I’m being honest that whole post seems to be saying one thing but with also sarcasm hidden. For instance …”I won’t call them a hypocrites”’because “they do practice what they preach” even though it be “insane”? Did I understand correctly the intent?

Because of the topic of the thread “God will not be mocked”is it wrong to reflect on
Matthew 7:2-5 For with what judgment you judge, you shall be judged: and with what measure you mete, it shall be measured to you again. [3] And why behold thou the mote that is in your brother's eye, but consider not the beam that is in thine own eye? [4] Or how will you say to your brother, Let me pull out the mote out of your eye; and, behold, a beam is in your own eye? [5] Thou hypocrite, first cast out the beam out of your own eye; and then will you see clearly to cast out the mote out of your brother's eye.

what I hear in the OP …correct me if I’m wrong is…hold up, come here and let me take the beam out of your eye. All the while I’m unsure if you will hit me over the head with a beam…so why would I ask for your help removing it?

No, I'm being serious about the correction. I will not call someone a hypocrite who keeps their dcotrine, even when their doctrine is lunatic false.

And so far as the thread goes, it is to show just how lunatic OSAS can get.

And the "God will NOT be mocked" part, is mocking them who actually think they are being very serious about God not being mocked, by taking OSAS reprobates home to heaven early.

"I will NOT be mocked by my children!!! That reprobate is coming home to heaven right NOW!!!"

You see the point. It's so lunatic, that it is easy to mock it, and it ought be mocked. I am not mocking the person I got this from, nor giving his name, because I know how deeply deluded and serious he is about it. I am mocking what needs to be mocked.

The mocking of the last days is not about mocking and shaming the delusional doctrine of the last days, but is about mocking the good news righteousness and true holiness living of the gospel of Jesus Christ.

God is not mocked, in that He will not save, justify, nor glorify any unrighteous sinner, that thinks naming His name by faith alone gets a free pass to heaven.

God is not mocked: no man sinning for the devil against God, is also born and beloved of God as a Father for His son, at the same time.

God is not a mother on earth that 'loves' her son, no matter what he does.