The Pre-Trib Rapture
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Timtofly
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Paul stated we put off Adam's corruptible image and put on God's permanent image. We literally become the sons of God.
If you want to just be a mythological Greek immortal then so be it.
In the Millennium there will be no "mortals" and no "immortals" living on the earth.
The resurrection in Revelation 20:4 states neither as a result. Those resurrected are no longer in Adam's dead corruptible flesh. Nor are they glorified as sons of God. They are still humans able to give birth to offspring. So unless you have a third word in your terminology they are without a description until you figure out that third term.
Glorified sons of God are as the angels, they can no longer procreate. They are in Paradise, until they come down in the New Jerusalem, Revelation 21. They are not on earth during the millennium. God already let the sons of God live with Adam's fallen offspring once. That did not work out that well. Neither have the resurrected currently in Paradise, been allowed to live on earth with Adam's fallen offspring.
So why would a millennium of humans, still living on earth be allowed to share the earth with those already glorified, and in Paradise?
The Millennium is for those firstfruits gathered in the tribulation called the final harvest of Adam's dead corruptible flesh. They are changed out of that dead flesh into permanent incorruptible physical bodies. Sin will not continue into the Millennium. Daniel 9:24. Many just symbolize these points and declare them active since the Cross. Yet when Jesus comes as King, He will remove all of Adam's corruption from the earth and baptize the earth with fire. That starts at the Second Coming, the 6th Seal. And no one can set a date, because no one on earth will even realize the Seals have been opening, until Jesus meets with the church in midair and the church is Glorified in view of the whole earth. Then Jesus will proceed to the Mount of Olives, and set up His throne and Temple in a newly geographically remodeled Jerusalem. When the 7th Trumpet stops sounding, Daniel's 70th week will be complete, and the Millennium can start.
Those in the Millennium are chosen by Jesus/God during the time Jesus is on the earth after the Second Coming. The 144k are sealed. The sheep are given a new permanent incorruptible physical body. The wheat is sown and gathered by Jesus and the angels, per Matthew 13:36-43. All these humans start out their eternal life on earth during the Millennium. They cannot naturally die again. Their offspring cannot naturally die ever. This 1,000 years is not about sin and the struggle physical creation has under the bondage of sin. Per Daniel 9:24 that is physically and literally in the past and no more remembered in the Millennium. Isaiah 65:17
"For, behold, I create new heavens and a new earth: and the former shall not be remembered, nor come into mind."
Those verses in 1 Corinthians 15 apply to the church at the Second Coming. Yet those in the Millennium are also changed to live on earth free of sin. They are not glorified, and not part of the church. They are redeemed out of Adam's dead flesh, by the Atonement of the Cross. They are the third group mentioned in 1 Corinthians 15:22-28
"For as in Adam all die, even so in Christ shall all be made alive. But every man in his own order: Christ the firstfruits; (the OT redeemed/the NT redeemed) afterward they that are Christ's at his coming. (Those alive at the Second Coming) Then cometh the end, (those firstfruits of the Second Coming throughout the whole millennium) when he shall have delivered up the kingdom to God, even the Father; when he shall have put down all rule and all authority and power. For he must reign, till he hath put all enemies under his feet. The last enemy that shall be destroyed is death. For he hath put all things under his feet. But when he saith all things are put under him, it is manifest that he is excepted, which did put all things under him. And when all things shall be subdued unto him, then shall the Son also himself be subject unto him that put all things under him, that God may be all in all."
Yes the last enemy is Death. Yes Jesus will still send some to Death, because they disobeyed. But God will not let sin enter the world like when Adam disobeyed, causing a physical corruptible dead body to pass death to their offspring. Yes, there is that one last group who think Satan has a better opinion than the iron rod rule of Jesus. They are placed in Death when consumed by fire from heaven. Then Death is defeated to no longer exist, but cast into the LOF. Then all creation returns to God. Then and only then will there be a NHNE. A totally different reality from this current reality.
Timtofly
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Don’t pin your garbage on me.
Patently False.
You prove yourself out of whack.
The Resurrection follows the Millennial Reign.
You said Human (which ARE mortals) are not present during the Millennial reign, but POOF are present during the Resurrection.
Fascinating where do “Living Human mortals” hide out OFF THE EARTH, during the millennial reign, and magically Appear on Earth Having offsprings during the Resurrection?
Your teaching is not Scriptural.
Agree. You reference some wonderful on point passages. Too bad the choir is too busy to notice.
Just saying...
No Pre-TB
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Now you’re nit picking my words to try and disprove scripture? So, let me specify.
Adam was created first. Eve was created after Adam. Gen 1:26-27 show male and female were created on the 6th day. The Lord rested after all was good and finished on the 7th day. If you say Adam was created on the 6th day and not Eve, who was the women referred to in those 2 verses?
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According to the bible, Adam was created after the 7th day, then animals were created, then lastly Eve was created. This is a different day of creation than the 6th day where animals were created before any humans, then man and woman were created at the same time.
The Pre-Trib Rapture
OP ^
@marks sharing reflections...
Since the beginning man has suffered Satan’s and mans tribulations.
Post told and forward of Gods Two great Tribulations, intended to suffer those upon the face of the Earth with wrath.
First Passed.
1) Few Saved (8) exact.
2) 7 days secured from Tribulation (Gen 7:4 / Gen 7:10)
3) saved were Lifted up above the earth (Gen 7:17)
Second Yet to Pass.
1) Few Saved (?) unknown.
2) 7 years secured from Tribulation (Rev 14:5, Rev 12:6)
3) saved Shall be Lifted up above the earth (1 Thes 4: 16-17)
Not only should we expect a similar manner, but we are expressly told...
Ecc 1:
[9] The thing that hath been, it is that which shall be; and that which is done is that which shall be done: and there is no new thing under the sun.
Oddly strange men have a silent heart and negative lip service when the simplicity of Gods Word reveals the Lord God is not angry, or instigate the Lambs, Satan or God Wrath upon those WITH Him.
Unsettling to hear the utter hatefulness Against those who Trust and Hold the Lord Gods Word is Truth.
Glory to God,
Taken
OP ^
@marks sharing reflections...
Since the beginning man has suffered Satan’s and mans tribulations.
Post told and forward of Gods Two great Tribulations, intended to suffer those upon the face of the Earth with wrath.
First Passed.
1) Few Saved (8) exact.
2) 7 days secured from Tribulation (Gen 7:4 / Gen 7:10)
3) saved were Lifted up above the earth (Gen 7:17)
Second Yet to Pass.
1) Few Saved (?) unknown.
2) 7 years secured from Tribulation (Rev 14:5, Rev 12:6)
3) saved Shall be Lifted up above the earth (1 Thes 4: 16-17)
Not only should we expect a similar manner, but we are expressly told...
Ecc 1:
[9] The thing that hath been, it is that which shall be; and that which is done is that which shall be done: and there is no new thing under the sun.
Oddly strange men have a silent heart and negative lip service when the simplicity of Gods Word reveals the Lord God is not angry, or instigate the Lambs, Satan or God Wrath upon those WITH Him.
Unsettling to hear the utter hatefulness Against those who Trust and Hold the Lord Gods Word is Truth.
Glory to God,
Taken
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Read it for yourself:
Gen 2:1 Thus the heavens and the earth were finished, and all the host of them.
Gen 2:2 And on the seventh day God ended his work which he had made; and he rested on the seventh day from all his work which he had made.
Gen 2:3 And God blessed the seventh day, and sanctified it: because that in it he had rested from all his work which God created and made.
Gen 2:4 These are the generations of the heavens and of the earth when they were created, in the day that the LORD God made the earth and the heavens,
Gen 2:5 And every plant of the field before it was in the earth, and every herb of the field before it grew: for the LORD God had not caused it to rain upon the earth, and there was not a man to till the ground.
Gen 2:6 But there went up a mist from the earth, and watered the whole face of the ground.
Gen 2:7 And the LORD God formed man of the dust of the ground, and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life; and man became a living soul.
Gen 2:8 And the LORD God planted a garden eastward in Eden; and there he put the man whom he had formed.
Gen 2:9 And out of the ground made the LORD God to grow every tree that is pleasant to the sight, and good for food; the tree of life also in the midst of the garden, and the tree of knowledge of good and evil.
Gen 2:10 And a river went out of Eden to water the garden; and from thence it was parted, and became into four heads.
Gen 2:11 The name of the first is Pison: that is it which compasseth the whole land of Havilah, where there is gold;
Gen 2:12 And the gold of that land is good: there is bdellium and the onyx stone.
Gen 2:13 And the name of the second river is Gihon: the same is it that compasseth the whole land of Ethiopia.
Gen 2:14 And the name of the third river is Hiddekel: that is it which goeth toward the east of Assyria. And the fourth river is Euphrates.
Gen 2:15 And the LORD God took the man, and put him into the garden of Eden to dress it and to keep it.
Gen 2:16 And the LORD God commanded the man, saying, Of every tree of the garden thou mayest freely eat:
Gen 2:17 But of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil, thou shalt not eat of it: for in the day that thou eatest thereof thou shalt surely die.
Gen 2:18 And the LORD God said, It is not good that the man should be alone; I will make him an help meet for him.
Gen 2:19 And out of the ground the LORD God formed every beast of the field, and every fowl of the air; and brought them unto Adam to see what he would call them: and whatsoever Adam called every living creature, that was the name thereof.
Gen 2:20 And Adam gave names to all cattle, and to the fowl of the air, and to every beast of the field; but for Adam there was not found an help meet for him.
Gen 2:21 And the LORD God caused a deep sleep to fall upon Adam, and he slept: and he took one of his ribs, and closed up the flesh instead thereof;
Gen 2:22 And the rib, which the LORD God had taken from man, made he a woman, and brought her unto the man.
Gen 2:23 And Adam said, This is now bone of my bones, and flesh of my flesh: she shall be called Woman, because she was taken out of Man.
Gen 2:24 Therefore shall a man leave his father and his mother, and shall cleave unto his wife: and they shall be one flesh.
Gen 2:25 And they were both naked, the man and his wife, and were not ashamed.
You are Still in ERROR.
Do you require the word PREFACE to comprehend the SIXTH day creation?
And then the DETAILS of The Generations of the Heavens and Earth that follows thereafter?
Gods Creating and Making...SIX days. A Preface Point of Each DAY.
Gen 1:
[1] In the beginning God created the heaven and the earth.
Gen 1:
[23] And the evening and the morning were the fifth day.
Gen 1:
[27] So God created man...
Gen 1:
[31] And God saw every thing that he had made, and, behold, it was very good. And the evening and the morning were the sixth day.
Gen 2:
[1] Thus the heavens and the earth were finished, and all the host of them.
[2] And on the seventh day God ended his work which he had made; and he rested on the seventh day from all his work which he had made.
[3] And God blessed the seventh day, and sanctified it: because that in it he had rested from all his work which God created and made.
Beginning Details of the things Gods created ... being the generations of the heavens and earth.
[4] These are the generations of the heavens and of the earth when they were created, in the day that the LORD God made the earth and the heavens...
~ in the day ? What day? Did you forget already Gen 1-31 outlining EACH numbered Day?
Agree. Funny how many itty bitty things men wholeheartedly trust, yet hem and haw when it comes to Trusting Scripture.
Ya know, via electronics, say you work and hour from home, and remotely start your oven, but the igniter fails for 20 min, but gas is released, or men were working on the gas lines, and oops fire breaks out. Who cares...sort of insurance to the rescue and stinking, inconvenient mess? Suppose I am overly cautious...you know like those tat needles....LOL
just messing with you.@Taken I smiled at the reference to tattoo needles; not quite sure I followed your train of thought........Ya know, via electronics, say you work and hour from home, and remotely start your oven, but the igniter fails for 20 min, but gas is released, or men were working on the gas lines, and oops fire breaks out. Who cares...sort of insurance to the rescue and stinking, inconvenient mess? Suppose I am overly cautious...you know like those tat needles....LOL
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Yes.
I do refer to the KJV , NIV, ect, because of what has happened here, with your rejection of the REB because it does not comply with your beliefs; in order to reduce confusion. But we must look at what the Prophets really meant, the words I used do that.
You simply don't seem to see how a proper translation of a concept, into another language, must convey the original meaning of that concept and we need to use words that have contemporary meaning. NOT words current 400 years ago, that have changed their meaning.
With the KJV, there are many instances where the translators failed to correctly convey what the Prophets meant.
They simply didn't have the knowledge and resources we have today.
I view Hebrews 12:7-8 as an indictment against those who expect God to remove them before trials and testing.
@Taken I smiled at the reference to tattoo needles; not quite sure I followed your train of thought........
Trusting. (Electronics, needles to puncture skin, sterile, etc.)
@Taken Oh I see; thank-you! so as regards trust, you would tend to trust electronic devices, generally speaking, but you would not have enough trust in the needles in a tattoo machine - even if the aesthetics of the tattoo design itself were viewed as generally positive.
Okay; fine; thanks for the comment!
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