The Resurrection is for all people (thank you Yeshua!)

[MatthewG]

There are some people on the board, who may have a difficult time accepting this as truth, however having people continuously try to combat this notion, I’m going to post a view points here of general references to Resurrection being for all people.

• “And many of those who sleep in the dust of the earth shall awake, Some to everlasting life, Some to shame and everlasting contempt.”
• ‭‭Daniel‬ ‭12:2‬ ‭NKJV‬‬

• “Do not marvel at this; for the hour is coming in which all who are in the graves will hear His voice and come forth—those who have done good, to the resurrection of life, and those who have done evil, to the resurrection of condemnation.”
• ‭‭John‬ ‭5:28-29‬ ‭NKJV‬‬
• “I have hope in God, which they themselves also accept, that there will be a resurrection of the dead, both of the just and the unjust.”

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  • ‭‭Acts‬ ‭24:15‬ ‭NKJV‬‬
  • “The sea gave up the dead who were in it, and Death and Hades delivered up the dead who were in them. And they were judged, each one according to his works.”
  • ‭‭Revelation‬ ‭20:13‬ ‭NKJV‬‬

Now I do have belief that’s Jesus has come and returned and the resurrection for them in that day in age had come to fruition as promised by Jesus and I continue to believe these principles still stand today; even if you still believe Jesus Christ has not come yet.

These are just 5 Scriptures that prove that people will be resurrected from the dead, regardless of being justified in Christ not justified in Christ.

If you would like to debate this please feel free just know that Resurrection is a Ket essential in the Gospel of Christ because he did raise from the dead! God raised him!

Shalom

- Matthew Gallagher

 

[Earburner]

MattG,
Let me condense it for you, as I did for SBG:

I specifically outlined the three appearances of Jesus, in three ways:
1. Through the likeness of our flesh.
2. Through the the Comforter of the Gift of the Holy Spirit.
3. Through His sudden physical appearance, in the Glory of His Immortality from Heaven.

 

[MatthewG]

MattG,
Let me condense it for you, as I did for SBG:

I specifically outlined the three appearances of Jesus, in three ways:
1. Through the likeness of our flesh.
2. Through the the Comforter of the Gift of the Holy Spirit.
3. Through His sudden physical appearance, in the Glory of His Immortality from Heaven.

Okay. I believe that done happened already. So I’m gonna just stay where I am at on my stance and yes it is arrogant and it makes me seems as though I’m unteachable and perhaps we will just move on. I agree with you about the new heaven and new earth but as far as Jesus is “returning soon” rhetoric I just don’t believe it anymore. You can freely it doesn’t bother me, I’m done discussing it now.

So please let’s let things go and just move forward about the subject at hand.

Is
The Resurrection for all people ?

 

[MatthewG]

You know, I didn’t come to see the odd repeat I posted by the thoughts of other men. As I’ve said, I never heard a man talk about it. It doesn’t mean no other man has, just that I’ve never heard it. So I really am not reiterating the thoughts of someone else.

I liked, and could see, what you were saying in that post. But when talking about endtimes verses and prophecies, it doesn’t fully resolve them all in any manner. This is my normal state any more, that I can see what others are saying and can accept what part/parts match scripture or ring true but THEY cannot do it with what I see or share. But it doesn’t bother me. I just keep searching and pulling what I can see is true into my net and discarding what I don’t see as true. That’s just how I operate any more.

Have you started feeling any better? After having woke up? Just had some breakfast, eggs, bread, bacon, sausage, and potato. Did you eat yet are you able to?

 

[Earburner]

^ BTW, because we ALREADY are made to be partakers of The (His) divine nature, through the Gift of His Holy Spirit, we have already entered into His Resurrection, who is the First, being Himself the firstborn FROM the dead.
From that point, we are only waiting for His third appearance, which is to be resurrected into the likeness of His immortality.

 

[stunnedbygrace]

I have given ever evidence to prove the truth of the matter…

I think you both think you have the complete truth and so you’ve both stopped learning and intaking, you both already think you understand all prophecy.
I definitely can see what you say about it all being fulfilled, and can see how the mans mind who taught you pieced it together. I just don’t think it was complete fulfillment yet. I find it suspicious that no one wrote anything at the time about Jesus coming back to earth again. No Christian, no historian, no everyday man, no letter, nothing. Jesus coming to earth again would be a hot topic. I think we’d have mention of it somewhere.
That’s just my thoughts on it.

 

[MatthewG]

I think you both think you have the complete truth and so you’ve both stopped learning and intaking, you both already think you understand all prophecy.
I definitely can see what you say about it all being fulfilled, and can see how the mans mind who taught you pieced it together. I just don’t think it was complete fulfillment yet. I find it suspicious that no one wrote anything at the time about Jesus coming back to earth again. No Christian, no historian, no everyday man, no letter, nothing. Jesus coming to earth again would be a hot topic. I think we’d have mention of it somewhere.
That’s just my thoughts on it.

And it’s a valid point, one of my own thoughts on it, no one was left to write about it. They were all taken up and changed in the twinkling of the eye. Those who remained were unbelievers who weren’t killed were taken captive and away from Jerusalem at that time. Those who were looking has seen the Lord take them.

You’re a smart person for saying so.

Just my two cents on it.

 

[stunnedbygrace]

Have you started feeling any better? After having woke up? Just had some breakfast, eggs, bread, bacon, sausage, and potato. Did you eat yet are you able to?

I ate some beets. Lol. Afraid to eat much more right now! I’ll be okay. It’s not hideous and constant nausea and tummy, just comes and goes. I might try some oatmeal in a bit.

 

[Earburner]

Okay. I believe that done happened already. So I’m gonna just stay where I am at on my stance and yes it is arrogant and it makes me seems as though I’m unteachable and perhaps we will just move on. I agree with you about the new heaven and new earth but as far as Jesus is “returning soon” rhetoric I just don’t believe it anymore. You can freely it doesn’t bother me, I’m done discussing it now.

So please let’s let things go and just move forward about the subject at hand.

Is
The Resurrection for all people ?

OK. It's your thread, and I will respect your wishes.

Thanks for listening:)
in His Peace, Earburner

 

[Earburner]

All the eschatological talks doesn’t mean anything unless proper execution is done…

Takes tons of times not minutes.

Sorry, "By My Spirit" Zechariah 4:6, it can even be done in seconds.:)

 

[MatthewG]

Sorry, "By My Spirit" Zecariah 4:6, it can even be done in seconds.:)

Okay, if you say so friend.

Listen I believe you are sure of yourself like myself, but I’m wrong in some areas and I don’t know everything.

What has been made known is, a proper verse by verse study takes time, and effort to put together…

By seconds… why does the Peter tell the audience in 1 Peter this…

• 5 For this very reason, make every effort to add to your faith goodness; and to goodness, knowledge;
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• 6 and to knowledge, self-control; and to self-control, perseverance; and to perseverance, godliness;
• 7 and to godliness, mutual affection; and to mutual affection, love.
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• 8 For if you possess these qualities in increasing measure, they will keep you from being ineffective and unproductive in your knowledge of our Lord Jesus Christ.
• 9 But whoever does not have them is nearsighted and blind, forgetting that they have been cleansed from their past sins.
• 10 Therefore, my brothers and sisters, make every effort to confirm your calling and election. For if you do these things, you will never stumble,
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• 11 and you will receive a rich welcome into the eternal kingdom of our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ.

Why does Peter encourage the people to put forth effort?

If you believe a Bible study done verse by verse to edify and audience in understanding takes mere seconds that cuts away all the effort a person must do…

In which Timothy was encouraged by Paul,

In his second letter

“Be diligent to present yourself approved to God, a worker who does not need to be ashamed, rightly dividing the word of truth.”
‭‭II Timothy‬ ‭2:15‬ ‭NKJV‬‬​

It takes work, sure by the help of the spirit to labor through the word. But none the less it takes work…

 

[Earburner]

I think you both think you have the complete truth and so you’ve both stopped learning and intaking, you both already think you understand all prophecy.
I definitely can see what you say about it all being fulfilled, and can see how the mans mind who taught you pieced it together. I just don’t think it was complete fulfillment yet. I find it suspicious that no one wrote anything at the time about Jesus coming back to earth again. No Christian, no historian, no everyday man, no letter, nothing. Jesus coming to earth again would be a hot topic. I think we’d have mention of it somewhere.
That’s just my thoughts on it.

The answer to that is:
John.14[3] And if I go and prepare a place for you, I will come again, and receive you unto myself; that where I am, there ye may be also.

John.17[24] Father, I will that they also, whom thou hast given me, be with me where I am; that they may behold my glory, which thou hast given me: for thou lovedst me before the foundation of the world.

 

[MatthewG]

No one this forums can really take man’s word for anything not even mine, maybe I have been lying to you.

So please my only encouragement is to read the word of God and do it contextually, and check all the scriptures and test all things by the spirit.

Just because a person tells what they are saying is the truth doesn’t make it so…

So never trust me… that is for and check the scriptures and read them contextual and study your Bible…

Naturally our flesh hates it, but the spirit is willingly and it is your choice if you will do that type of work or not.

Start from Chapter 1 to the end, and do the same for all the books.

 

[Earburner]

Okay, if you say so friend.

Listen I believe you are sure of yourself like myself, but I’m wrong in some areas and I don’t know everything.

What has been made known is, a proper verse by verse study takes time, and effort to put together…

By seconds… why does the Peter tell the audience in 1 Peter this…

• 5 For this very reason, make every effort to add to your faith goodness; and to goodness, knowledge;
• 
  
• 6 and to knowledge, self-control; and to self-control, perseverance; and to perseverance, godliness;
• 7 and to godliness, mutual affection; and to mutual affection, love.
• 
  
• 8 For if you possess these qualities in increasing measure, they will keep you from being ineffective and unproductive in your knowledge of our Lord Jesus Christ.
• 9 But whoever does not have them is nearsighted and blind, forgetting that they have been cleansed from their past sins.
• 10 Therefore, my brothers and sisters, make every effort to confirm your calling and election. For if you do these things, you will never stumble,
• 
  
• 11 and you will receive a rich welcome into the eternal kingdom of our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ.

Why does Peter encourage the people to put forth effort?

If you believe a Bible study done verse by verse to edify and audience in understanding takes mere seconds that cuts away all the effort a person must do…

In which Timothy was encouraged by Paul,

In his second letter

“Be diligent to present yourself approved to God, a worker who does not need to be ashamed, rightly dividing the word of truth.”
‭‭II Timothy‬ ‭2:15‬ ‭NKJV‬‬​

It takes work, sure by the help of the spirit to labor through the word. But none the less it takes work…

If the Holy Spirit doesn't rightly divide the word of truth to us, but scholarly wisdom does, then we would be making void the promise of Christ of His guidance alone. John 16:13.
1 Corinthians 2[5] That your faith should not stand in the wisdom of men, but [rather] in the power of God.

 

[stunnedbygrace]

And it’s a valid point, one of my own thoughts on it, no one was left to write about it. They were all taken up and changed in the twinkling of the eye. Those who remained were unbelievers who weren’t killed were taken captive and away from Jerusalem at that time. Those who were looking has seen the Lord take them.

You’re a smart person for saying so.

Just my two cents on it.

But there would have been unbelievers writing and talking about the sudden disappearance of people, loved ones, children, acquaintances. Some Roman’s and others in places other than Jerusalem had become Christian’s and lived other places than Jerusalem. So those people would have disappeared too in the twinkling of an eye, from Rome, Ephesus, and other places. People tend to notice when one person goes missing, let alone many people going missing. So it doesn’t quite fit to me.

 

[MatthewG]

But there would have been unbelievers writing and talking about the sudden disappearance of people, loved ones, children, acquaintances. Some Roman’s and others in places other than Jerusalem had become Christian’s and lived other places than Jerusalem. So those people would have disappeared too, from Rome, Ephesus, and other places. People tend to notice when one person goes missing, let alone many people going missing. So it doesn’t quite fit to me.

It’s hard questions, and thoughts.

Im not gonna discredit Jesus though. Can’t do it, ya know? Despite what interjections we can make, it’s either we believe by faith, even in Jesus who we never have seen too you know?

Problematic if you start disbelieving that Jesus even existed ya know? Some people don’t believe he does.

Something else that is interesting is that only, 144,000 people was to be saved from each tribe, when talking about this, then all the genealogy was destroyed and all things.

the church was relatively small, and perhaps the believers families where all part of the group too and they got took off, and after a traumatizing experience would they have any cared?

We do have historical reports like Josephus though. He reported the death of 1,100,000 Jews had died in the besiege of Jerusalem.

It’s just up to people how they are going to believe to me it doesn’t matter if I can’t love you because you have a difference of opinion then shame on me.

 

[MatthewG]

If the Holy Spirit doesn't rightly divide the word of truth to us, but scholarly wisdom does, then we would be making void the promise of Christ of His guidance alone. John 16:13.
1 Corinthians 2[5] That your faith should not stand in the wisdom of men, but [rather] in the power of God.

You have to put forth the effort though to study… if you don’t read the scriptures is that putting in effort at all? You have to do something.

Do you believe the Holy Spirit just moves on its own (it does of course) or by your participation?

Some people believe Jesus keeps them safe and they don’t have to do anything, do you agree with that?

John 15 talks about us abiding in Christ that is an effort, the Holy Spirit won’t do anything for you if you aren’t praying for God help you by the spirit? Do you remember when Jesus said that?

 

[MatthewG]

Luke 11:13 If you then, though you are evil, know how to give good gifts to your children, how much more will your Father in heaven give the Holy Spirit to those who ask him!”

 

[MatthewG]

Come on @Earburner do we have to do anything at all? No prayer, no asking God to help us? No labor in the word? No anything everything will just come to you if you believe? No need to check historical contexts? No hearing of the word that builds faith?

 

[Earburner]

Okay @Earburner. I have given ever evidence to prove the truth of the matter…

Jesus wasn’t playing around.
The apostles were not playing around with the hearts and minds with the people they wrote too…

However you claim I’m thinking like a man, nothing we have discussed has not been discussed already since the first century and after…

Thus whatever you are seeking me to do, by your own assertion is not doing anything but just negating the truth I’ve done shared.


Either Jesus lied and the apostles lied about the return, and we shouldn’t even read the Bible… there is no use hell Jesus lied… after all about his coming back and so did his apostles so there is no discussion.

Just talking wind and nothing being produced, that even matters, right my friend?

Isaiah 55:8-9, Zechariah 4:6, John 16:13.
That is all I hope to say for the moment.