IS IT A SIN FOR A CHRISTIAN TO VOTE FOR A DEMOCRAT, OR IS IT JUST WRONG??

[Enoch111]

But we could remove the evil by deporting the democrats to China....

This proposal deserves serious consideration. The Democrats are already colluding with China to destroy America, so that is really their "spiritual" homeland. No one really knows how much has been stolen by China over the last 50 years.

The real issue is how these people should be rounded up and shipped out. China has illegally laid claim to several islands in the South China Sea. If the Democrats were dropped off at one of those islands, that would be appropriate. A cruise ship standing in international waters which said "Democrats Only -- Everything is Free" would attract many (or all) of them. Once on board, they would be given a one-way ticket to China at absolutely no cost. In the meantime, they would have a very good time.

 

[Grailhunter]

This proposal deserves serious consideration. The Democrats are already colluding with China to destroy America, so that is really their "spiritual" homeland. No one really knows how much has been stolen by China over the last 50 years.

The real issue is how these people should be rounded up and shipped out. China has illegally laid claim to several islands in the South China Sea. If the Democrats were dropped off at one of those islands, that would be appropriate. A cruise ship standing in international waters which said "Democrats Only -- Everything is Free" would attract many (or all) of them. Once on board, they would be given a one-way ticket to China at absolutely no cost. In the meantime, they would have a very good time.

LOL If only it would work!
They are trying to make people think that communism and atheism is the progressive way....the smart way....and they are promoting this in our collages. It is an attack of sorts. Suggesting Christians and patriots are white supremacists, because the democrats believe that drugs, atheism, and communism is what smart people do and believe. It is not a civil war....yet....politics is how we fight the battle now.

We watch Biden fondle children in front of the camera....touching them and sniffing their hair....his son is a known child molester and drug user. And this is the push that is going on behind the scenes....there is a push to lower the age of consent....these child molesters....particularly the homosexuals like it young. If we do not confront it now they will be having sex with 14 year olds and will not be prosecuted for it. It will be the next topic of protests to have sex with little boys and girls and murder babies.

If you do not want a civil war....politics is something every Christian should be involved with. I am 65 and retired but standing ready to fight for my country and God. I would die with a grin on my face.

 

[Ancient]

I think you need to learn what evil means from an original language Bible perspective. Vengeance is Yahweh's not ours.Hence the manifestations in the Book of Revelation. All through God's word He declares that if people follow Him and His ways, i.e. His word and how to follow Him, that believers would be the head and not the tail. It is because of sin there are evils in the world. We were all supposed to do what He said but nooo we all sin and fall short of Yahweh's standard then individuals, governments, countries all take matters into their own hands and walla you have war. The best defense for an individual and country is repentance. People have been used as pawns by governments to fight agendas for thousands of years. Yes the many that went to war and died and the ones that went and came home did so in my opinion with the right heart and intent. But I can tell you now the Anzacs and I assume many Americans had a faith and they would be appalled by what our countries have become and the acceptance of the abominations that our governments have made into LAW.
I not long ago witnessed an American World War II veteran one of the last still alive I believe break down into tears into what he and all his mates who died fought for the USA and see what a sinful nation it has become.
I do not hide behind religion my friend, but stand on the WORD OF GOD which is the only TRUTH!!!
If you live by the sword you will die by the sword.
The only time God told HIS people to go to war was the Holy War of taking the Land of Canaan under the leadership of Joshua. Also, the couple of times on specific people groups that attacked Israel when they were weak and defenceless in the desert.

It is about the Kingdom of God and no other Kingdom. Throughout the ages kingdoms rise and fall. Every kingdom on earth will fall and submit to Yeshua as King of Kings. Get your eyes on God and His word and not on the affairs or governments of this world.

Shalom

 

[Grailhunter]

And another thing....human trafficking....I looked this up and people need to look this up in their own state and area because the numbers are staggering! Look this up and be aware and beware! For some reason the news media does not want to report on this or the numbers associated with it. I do not have the answer why? But this is a much bigger threat than most people think!

 

[Grailhunter]

I think you need to learn what evil means from an original language Bible perspective.

You are confused about what is evil?

Vengeance is Yahweh's not ours.

You do not know much about this topic if that is all you can pull from the Old Testament.
This would probably be a serial killers favorite scripture. Kinda like a person that throws his tithes in the air and figures God will keep what He wants.

I do not hide behind religion my friend, but stand on the WORD OF GOD which is the only TRUTH!!!
If you live by the sword you will die by the sword.

Because a person is a coward that means they stand on the Word of God. I know a lot of people that stand on the Word of God and stand and fight against evil.

The only time God told HIS people to go to war was the Holy War of taking the Land of Canaan under the leadership of Joshua. Also, the couple of times on specific people groups that attacked Israel when they were weak and defenceless in the desert.

I guess you do not know about the six day war.....you think that was wrong of them?

It is about the Kingdom of God and no other Kingdom. Throughout the ages kingdoms rise and fall. Every kingdom on earth will fall and submit to Yeshua as King of Kings. Get your eyes on God and His word and not on the affairs or governments of this world.

Sounds a lot like...Hey sera sera! Whatever will be, will be. The future is not ours to see. Your ramblings sounds more like a drug damaged mind than a religious statement. Live in your own fantasy world do you?

 

[Ancient]

You are confused about what is evil?



You do not know much about this topic if that is all you can pull from the Old Testament.
This would probably be a serial killers favorite scripture. Kinda like a person that throws his tithes in the air and figures God will keep what He wants.



Because a person is a coward that means they stand on the Word of God. I know a lot of people that stand on the Word of God and stand and fight against evil.



I guess you do not know about the six day war.....you think that was wrong of them?



Sounds a lot like...Hey sera sera! Whatever will be, will be. The future is not ours to see. Your ramblings sounds more like a drug damaged mind than a religious statement. Live in your own fantasy world do you?

Well I am sorry you are so upset. As it was not the intention. I was posting on this thread and not to you personally. However you have taken it personally. I stand by my posts in that it is all about the Word of God and not about any human government or political party, president or prime minister etc. If you have your trust in any of those you will be very disappointed. I am fully aware of Biblical History and the many times Israel walked away from God's ways and His word until they repented. This are what the exiles are fully based on and why they were ultimately spewed out of the land of Israel for nearly 2,000 years. All because of sin and forsaking the God of the Bible. America, Australia, Russia, UK, Canada, China will all bow before the king of kings and Lord of Lords. There political parties, countries and leadership will all come to an end and if the do not repent they will be gathered together along with everyone else that denies the Blood of Yeshua and the forgiveness of sins. They will be food for the birds.

Rev. 19:17-21 NKJ
17 Then I saw an angel standing in the sun; and he cried with a loud voice, saying to all the birds that fly in the midst of heaven, "Come and gather together for the supper of the great God,
18 "that you may eat the flesh of kings, the flesh of captains, the flesh of mighty men, the flesh of horses and of those who sit on them, and the flesh of all people, free and slave, both small and great."
19 And I saw the beast, the kings of the earth, and their armies, gathered together to make war against Him who sat on the horse and against His army.
20 Then the beast was captured, and with him the false prophet who worked signs in his presence, by which he deceived those who received the mark of the beast and those who worshiped his image. These two were cast alive into the lake of fire burning with brimstone.
21 And the rest were killed with the sword which proceeded from the mouth of Him who sat on the horse. And all the birds were filled with their flesh.

Stick with your patriotism it won't save you. Ask all those who died for Rome, Greece, Babylon, Persia, the Ottoman Empire, Hitler's Germany etc. All those Kings, Emperors, and Rulers along with their agendas are gone. All the kingdoms of the earth will fall. There is only one we should seek to be yoked to and that is Yeshua and His Kingdom. The Kingdom of Yahweh. We are part of the one new man the body of Messiah. As soon as you confess Him to be your Lord and Savior that takes precedence over everything else. This is why He said your life is not your own you have been bought with a price. Did any President or Prime Minister do that for you? Who do you give your allegiance to? We are taught again in the scriptures not to make oaths. Why then do our governments and churches require this in the way of swearing an allegiance or repeating some denominational man based creed.

I am not attacking Grailhunter in anyway He was the one that responded to my original post which was to this thread in general. My posts are still with that general view in mind. God does not care what nationality you are, what ethnic group your from. He cares about if you have repented from your sins (evil) and are washed in the blood of the Passover Lamb Yeshua our Messiah.

Shalom

 

[Grailhunter]

Well I am sorry you are so upset. As it was not the intention. I was posting on this thread and not to you personally. However you have taken it personally.

Not upset at all and I am not taking it personally.

I stand by my posts in that it is all about the Word of God and not about any human government or political party, president or prime minister etc. If you have your trust in any of those you will be very disappointed.

I do not trust in the government. In case you have not noticed most of the people here trust and believe in the Word of God. It is kind of the theme of the forum.

Stick with your patriotism it won't save you.

You are going to be hard press to find anyone here that thinks that patriotism saves anyone.

Ask all those who died for Rome, Greece, Babylon, Persia, the Ottoman Empire, Hitler's Germany etc. All those Kings, Emperors, and Rulers along with their agendas are gone. All the kingdoms of the earth will fall. There is only one we should seek to be yoked to and that is Yeshua and His Kingdom. The Kingdom of Yahweh. We are part of the one new man the body of Messiah. As soon as you confess Him to be your Lord and Savior that takes precedence over everything else. This is why He said your life is not your own you have been bought with a price. Did any President or Prime Minister do that for you? Who do you give your allegiance to? We are taught again in the scriptures not to make oaths. Why then do our governments and churches require this in the way of swearing an allegiance or repeating some denominational man based creed.

Well I do not have a lot of patience for double talk. You are talking apples and oranges here. We fully understand that our heavenly reward is through Christ. And we all give allegiance to Christ. You are preaching to the choir.

I am talking about Christians doing the right things in life. Lying down like sheep is wrong thinking to say the least.

I am not attacking Grailhunter in anyway He was the one that responded to my original post which was to this thread in general. My posts are still with that general view in mind.

Did not think you were attacking me.

God does not care what nationality you are, what ethnic group your from. He cares about if you have repented from your sins (evil) and are washed in the blood of the Passover Lamb Yeshua our Messiah.

Do you think you will find anyone here that will disagree with this statement?

 

[Davy]

I put this in Theology because it is a question of Christian morals.

Taking these democrat initiatives into consideration.

Abortion
LGBTQ
Gun Control
High taxes
Open borders---invasion of illegal aliens receiving government subsidies---Opposed security wall. Sanctuary cities for illegal aliens.

Against election security---No ID's required---illegal aliens voting---students on visas---Not allowing law enforcement---covering windows---running ballots after the monitors have left. Since they desire Marxism or communism they do not want fair and honest elections so they do everything they can to make it easy to cheat.

Federal prisoners voting---voter fraud on several levels.

Trying to program our children in school and collage.

Support drug use --- pot stores---lenient on drug offenders.

Soft on crime, revolving door courts that gets people killed. Short prison sentences.

Anti-law enforcement---defund the police---supporting resisting arrest---blame everything on law enforcement.

Reduction of the military.

Anti-Christian---forbid assembly of churches---arrest pastors.

Promoting the idea that if you are white and Christian, and a patriot, you are a white supremacist.

Promoting LGBTQ, communism, atheism, cancel culture, and disrespect towards their mother and fathers in our schools and colleges.

Supported the BLM riots---BLM leaders declare they are Marxist and chat cuss words to Christ as they march---burning Bibles---and churches---take cities hostage---burning and looting---assaults---rapes---murders---going to the homes of politicians they did not like and harassing them---democrats give a big thumbs up to all these hate crimes.

Cancel culture---the democrat attack on all we value and hold good. Physical attack on landmarks. But they salute those Pot stores and abortion clinics...LOL.

Support every give me – hand out Socialist program possible.

Some strange brand of communism.

Democrats are against gas and oil and shutdown wells and pipelines causing high gas prices.

Trying to get us all to drive electric cars…LOL And hiding all the dangers of them.

It's definitely wrong to SUPPORT those ideas of the Democratic Party platform.

"15. Capture one or both of the political parties in the U.S."
(from The 45 Communist Goals - Congressional Record 1963)

In the book The Naked Communist written in 1958 by 16 year ex-FBI agent Cleon Skousen, he listed 45 Communist strategic points for taking over the West. The Soviets came up with that strategy in 1958, called it the New Economic Policy (NEP) per Golitsyn's book New Lies For Old (1984).

Infiltration of the Churches and replace revealed religion with 'social' religion is their goal no.27 per Skousen. This is why they push legislation against pastors preaching how to vote to their congregations. Pastors, PREACH ON! Do NOT vote Democrat!

No government nor international agency has authority over what a Pastor in the Christian Church is or is not allowed to preach! In the U.S., that right is protected by the 1st Amendment of the Constitution of The United States of America.

 

[Davy]

The other problem today, is with communists also infiltrating the Republican Party in the U.S. There are many fence-riders among the Republican Party too that often vote with the Democratic platform. If the truth be told, there are workers of iniquity within BOTH parties that are actually working together towards Satan's plans for a one-world government.

This is reason why they stole the election from President Trump. Even many of the Republicans don't like Trump. Trump had to run on their Republican ticket simply because the world controllers have the 2-party system so well established in the U.S., that it's too difficult to win as an independent.

So really, Trump is not a real Republican, though he accepted most of the Republican platform. But Trump did many things for the U.S. and its people that previous Republican administrations spent a lot of time and work imprisoning the American people involving throwing away the nation's sovereignty, throwing away our economy to Red China and her allies, pushing a shadow government behind the scenes under the guise of the North American Security and Prosperity Partnership, with the aim to join Mexico, Canada, and the U.S. into a type American Union, allowed the U.S. oil to shut down the Alaska pipeline and many of our own oil resources in the western hemisphere, just so as to prop up the middle east nations, etc.

 

[mailmandan]

The other problem today, is with communists also infiltrating the Republican Party in the U.S. There are many fence-riders among the Republican Party too that often vote with the Democratic platform. If the truth be told, there are workers of iniquity within BOTH parties that are actually working together towards Satan's plans for a one-world government...

It's definitely wrong to SUPPORT those ideas of the Democratic Party platform.

"15. Capture one or both of the political parties in the U.S."
(from The 45 Communist Goals - Congressional Record 1963)...

I strongly suspected that communists were behind the root of the movement to transform the United States into a Godless, borderless, marxist, socialist, disarmed, Sodom and Gomorrah America under Satan.

 

[Davy]

I strongly suspected that communists were behind the root of the movement to transform the United States into a Godless, borderless, marxist, socialist, disarmed, Sodom and Gomorrah America under Satan.

When I was in the U.S. military back in the 1970s during Vietnam, once I got assigned in Europe afterwards, we received some training about communist agents that might approach us among the public to try and steal classified info from us. We were told to be careful with alcohol in public, what we talked about, watch our finances, just anything which could be used by them to blackmail us.

The American actor John Wayne was a staunch anti-communist. One of the old movies he helped fund and played in was Big Jim McLain. Don't see that 1952 movie advertised much today in the media, and it's hard to find. But it's about he and his co-workers that work under the House Un-American Activities Committee (HUAC), investigating communist activity in the U.S.. That committee was started in 1938. The committee was ended it's duties were eventually assigned to the House Judiciary Committee.

One of the Soviet goals was to end HUAC. I consider they pretty much accomplished that, with all the media propaganda used against Senator Joseph McCarthy, and create the lie of 'McCarthyism'.

In 1995, after the Berlin Wall was allowed to come down by the Soviets, the Venona Project classified files were de-classified, and the cases which Senator Joseph McCarthy named as being either communist agents, or associated with communist activity, were discovered to be true per those de-classified KGB files. Thus many college historians today have decided that McCarthy was telling the truth. Yet still, the communists continue to push the lie of 'McCarthyism'.

 

[Grailhunter]

It's definitely wrong to SUPPORT those ideas of the Democratic Party platform.

"15. Capture one or both of the political parties in the U.S."
(from The 45 Communist Goals - Congressional Record 1963)

In the book The Naked Communist written in 1958 by 16 year ex-FBI agent Cleon Skousen, he listed 45 Communist strategic points for taking over the West. The Soviets came up with that strategy in 1958, called it the New Economic Policy (NEP) per Golitsyn's book New Lies For Old (1984).

Infiltration of the Churches and replace revealed religion with 'social' religion is their goal no.27 per Skousen. This is why they push legislation against pastors preaching how to vote to their congregations. Pastors, PREACH ON! Do NOT vote Democrat!

No government nor international agency has authority over what a Pastor in the Christian Church is or is not allowed to preach! In the U.S., that right is protected by the 1st Amendment of the Constitution of The United States of America.

Are the democrats communists? Are democrats atheists? The green concept can be seen as the worship of the goddess of nature.
That is why I listed their initiatives. Can you put a static label on communism? That is why I called it a strange form of communism.
Looking at their initiatives they could easily fall into the satanic column, maybe more so than communists. Hands down they are against everything that the United States stands for....against everything that Christianity stands for.

Democrats....the voters....the people....pick their party.....pick God or Satan. 50 years ago if someone picked the democrat party, they were picking the socialist party of America....it has went horribly down hill since then. Call it what you will but their initiatives are pure evil, un-American, and anti-Christian. So if they pick that political party....as they say, if the shoe fits.....

And no one would say that the Republicans are saints....just worlds ahead of the democrats.

 

[Jim B]

You can say that....but it does not matter....this is the sort of thing that people know that is true.

They went berserk over Roe vs Wade being over turned.....like it was the most important thing in their life to murder babies. You do understand people saw this and know this?

The BLM riots....taking cities hostage and burning looting and rioting....marching chanting cuss words to Christ and a stake of Bibles being burnt. Assaulting and murdering....law enforcement officers being shot....if anybody stood up against the the courts pounced on them. No prosecutions for all this. The BLM leaders openly Marxist....declaring this on live TV. Democrats supported all of this....You do understand people saw this and know this?

The whole George Floyd and Rodney King thing was a completed joke. You resist arrest whatever that follows is on you. Blaming law enforcement officers is ignorant. No reason for law enforcement officers to risk like and limb to bring in such a monster. I am adamantly opposed to armed law enforcement officers wrestling with such an individual, because he can take their weapon....a prefer double taps in the chest....looks less violent and no one accused of kneeling on his head to subdue him. You do understand people saw this and know this?

Cancel culture was all over the news...defacing and pulling down historic statues...You do understand people saw this and know this?

Teaching our children false history...and cancel culture to our kids. The parents and the republican are fighting this and it is all over the news. You do understand people see this and know this?

LGBTQ Democrats support this and protect them and again it is all over the news.... You do understand people saw this and know this? Sex with poop....you have to be kidding me....They had picture of one of them caught eating poop our of diaper. You do understand people saw this and know this?

The democrats are now admitting they are socialists....but the democrats were socialists back in the 60's, now they are some strange form of vegan, tree hugging, communists...afraid of cow farts! You do understand people saw this and know this?

They are destroy or economy in everyway they can.....at every level.....illegal aliens....mindless spending....jacking up fuel prices by shutting down our production. You do understand people see this and know this?

The support for criminals and the distain for law enforcement. You do understand people see this and know this?

Democrats are more than anti-Christian....you do not see God in their campaigns. At the DNC they removed the word God from the the Pledge of Allegiance. And why? Because they would lose voters! So it is not just the politicians it is the majority of democrats that are anti-God...Notice the democrats are not worried about offending the few democrats that believe in God....in fact they are alienating them. For them, if you are a white Christian and are patriotic, you are a white supremacist. You do understand people saw this and know this?

But it is the salivating lust for the blood of babies that is the most disgusting!

I feel very sorry foy you! You are believing a pack of lies!

I am a Democrat, so I know that everything that you say about me and other Democrats is false. You are clearly being brainwashed, and spreading the false ideology.

Obviously you don't believe what Jesus said (repeating God's commandment) to love your neighbor as yourself.

 

[Jim B]

Are the democrats communists? Are democrats atheists? The green concept can be seen as the worship of the goddess of nature.
That is why I listed their initiatives. Can you put a static label on communism? That is why I called it a strange form of communism.
Looking at their initiatives they could easily fall into the satanic column, maybe more so than communists. Hands down they are against everything that the United States stands for....against everything that Christianity stands for.

Democrats....the voters....the people....pick their party.....pick God or Satan. 50 years ago if someone picked the democrat party, they were picking the socialist party of America....it has went horribly down hill since then. Call it what you will but their initiatives are pure evil, un-American, and anti-Christian. So if they pick that political party....as they say, if the shoe fits.....

And no one would say that the Republicans are saints....just worlds ahead of the democrats.

Just more propaganda! Read my previous message, then ask God for forgiveness and to open your eyes to the truth.

 

[Grailhunter]

I feel very sorry foy you! You are believing a pack of lies!

I am a Democrat, so I know that everything that you say about me and other Democrats is false. You are clearly being brainwashed, and spreading the false ideology.

Obviously you don't believe what Jesus said (repeating God's commandment) to love your neighbor as yourself.

Like I said, people have seen this and know it to be true..
Is it a fantasy you have going on between your ears.....head in the sand....living under a rock?

Obviously you don't believe what Jesus said (repeating God's commandment) to love your neighbor as yourself.

Loving homosexuals, do you have sex with poop?

 

[Mantis]

All this division will become nil if we have a big natural disaster or terrorist attack. Things have been too good for too long. There was a time in this country when we were united. In my lifetime I have seen it deteriorate unto this hate filled country. If something major happens it puts everything into perspective. Your problems with your neighbor become less important. Liberals will have real problems to deal with instead of global warming or taking guns from people. In Oregon they were so bored they banned plastic straws. Yes they banned plastic straws to save the turtles or something. Well Covid hit and everyone in Oregon decided, screw the liberals I want my plastic straws back. I think they are still illegal in Oregon but the law is ignored because it is stupid.

Ask not what your country can do for you but what you can do for your country.

 

[Jim B]

Like I said, people have seen this and know it to be true..
Is it a fantasy you have going on between your ears.....head in the sand....living under a rock?



Loving homosexuals, do you have sex with poop?

You're not the first person who has believed lies! If you're spirit is sick you'll believe anything regardless of whether it's true or not.

Your second part shows where your mind is!!!

 

[Jim B]

All this division will become nil if we have a big natural disaster or terrorist attack. Things have been too good for too long. There was a time in this country when we were united. In my lifetime I have seen it deteriorate unto this hate filled country. If something major happens it puts everything into perspective. Your problems with your neighbor become less important. Liberals will have real problems to deal with instead of global warming or taking guns from people. In Oregon they were so bored they banned plastic straws. Yes they banned plastic straws to save the turtles or something. Well Covid hit and everyone in Oregon decided, screw the liberals I want my plastic straws back. I think they are still illegal in Oregon but the law is ignored because it is stupid.

Ask not what your country can do for you but what you can do for your country.

This is confusing to say the least. Things have been too good for too long? How is that possible? Will you be unhappy until things get worse? Is your example example of a "big problem" the use of plastic straws???

 

[Mantis]

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This is confusing to say the least. Things have been too good for too long? How is that possible? Will you be unhappy until things get worse? Is your example example of a "big problem" the use of plastic straws???

Well we have it pretty good here in the USA. So good that people just make problems up, ie plastic straws because they don't have real problems to focus on. Since the greatest generation things have gotten easier and easier for us to the point of people not appreciating the freedom they have. It has gotten so easy that people become entitled. They go shoot up schools because things are not going their way.

I am plenty happy. I don't let circumstances dictate my joy. I am talking about the world. Non christians.

 

[Jim B]

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Well we have it pretty good here in the USA. So good that people just make problems up, ie plastic straws because they don't have real problems to focus on. Since the greatest generation things have gotten easier and easier for us to the point of people not appreciating the freedom they have. It has gotten so easy that people become entitled. They go shoot up schools because things are not going their way.

I am plenty happy. I don't let circumstances dictate my joy. I am talking about the world. Non christians.

You don't seem to be happy. Example, you're whining about using plastic straws, as though that is a real problem. (BTW, do you want sea turtles to die?)

People appreciate the freedoms they have. You just can't stand to see people happy so you have to accuse them.

And "entitled" people "go shoot up schools because things are not going their way"? I think you need to take a break and think about what you're saying. Mentally disturbed people "go shoot up schools"; it has nothing to do with entitlement.