Should Christians Celebrate Christmas?

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WOW..some post....Mercy Angelina ...please let it continue...I needed a laugh tonight...This is so funny...Thanks all for the entertainment .. I do love you guys and gals...
 

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Well, instead of December 25th, let me help quell a lot of debate here by suggesting if we must celebrate Christ's Birthday, then let me pick for you September. I believe he was born at the feast of the trumpets. Some Christians believe it was the feast of Tabernacles (i.e. he "taberbacled with us"). No worry, they are only 2 weeks apart anyway and occur at the same pilgrimage to Jerusalem. If we look at those feasts and what they prophesy, I think it fits in well with both the first and second coming of Christ.

Likewise, he died on Passover, so he did everything by the feasts. So if we have to pick some calendar and time to worship anything to do with the true Christ, let's be aware of these feasts instead of the winter solstice.

If you do celebrate the Winter Soltice called Christmas, fine. But then call it for what it is --- a party for the birth of the sun and call a spade a spade. Like I said earlier, I outwardly conform because I must admit I love a good party (as that is my weakness) --- but I disassociated Christmas from the birth of Christ long ago. I repent the next day after hearing too much and indulging in the song the "little Rummer Boy" Rum, rum, rum, rum. :lol:
 

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Well, instead of December 25th, let me help quell a lot of debate here by suggesting if we must celebrate Christ's Birthday, then let me pick for you September. I believe he was born at the feast of the trumpets. Some Christians believe it was the feast of Tabernacles (i.e. he "taberbacled with us"). No worry, they are only 2 weeks apart anyway and occur at the same pilgrimage to Jerusalem. If we look at those feasts and what they prophesy, I think it fits in well with both the first and second coming of Christ.

Likewise, he died on Passover, so he did everything by the feasts. So if we have to pick some calendar and time to worship anything to do with the true Christ, let's be aware of these feasts instead of the winter solstice.

If you do celebrate the Winter Soltice called Christmas, fine. But then call it for what it is --- a party for the birth of the sun and call a spade a spade. Like I said earlier, I outwardly conform because I must admit I love a good party (as that is my weakness) --- but I disassociated Christmas from the birth of Christ long ago. I repent the next day after hearing too much and indulging in the song the "little Rummer Boy" Rum, rum, rum, rum. :lol:

I'm with you on that. It only takes a few to start a movement.
 

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The holiday known today as Christ’s Mass or Christmas is an ancient celebration in honor of the original antichrist Nimrod, who led the first world rebellion against God at the Tower of Babel. After his death he was represented by the sun because he was considered a “lucifer” or “light bearer” of mankind for creating this antichrist empire. He was said to be reborn on the winter solstice when the sun began shining longer which occurs around December 25.

After the division of languages at the Tower of Babel, Nimrod took on different names in all of the pagan cultures, but the common theme was his representation by the sun, and the rebirth celebration on the winter solstice, as well as other solar occurrences. In Egypt he was known as Osiris, and in Rome he was known under different titles from Sol Invictus to Saturn, and eventually in 10 BC, Caesar Augustus settled on Apollo, from the previous name Apollon in Greece (NT=Apollyon).

In fourth century pagan Rome, the gospel of Jesus was being embraced by large numbers of people, and created much division in the Empire. Therefore the fervent sun worshipper Constantine decided to create a "universal" (that's what catholic means) religion, which amalgamated "Christian" terminology with the ancient pagan practices that were performed for thousands of years. It was essentially the complete absorption of the religion of the Roman Empire, into a new vocabulary system, retaining all of its old practices, customs, temples, priests and even gods, chief of whom would be their own, Sol Invictus, a/k/a Apollyon, born December 25th and celebrated in the SATURNALIA. The "gods" became "saints", and the pagan sun worship holy days were given a Christian veneer. The statues of pagan gods were renamed after the apostles, and the "queen of heaven" or female goddess in paganism was called Mary.

Around 375 A.D. this “Catholic church”, that amalgamated Christianity and paganism, announced that the birth date of Christ would be celebrated on December 25 as it was under paganism, and allowed some of the older celebrations, such as feasting, dancing and the exchange of gifts, to be incorporated into the observance of Christmas. This was to appease the masses who were fond of these pagan rituals and traditions.

Constantine erected A STATUE OF APOLLO in Constantinople with his own face superimposed on the statue. He continued a very active life as a pagan complete with sacrifices to Apollo after his "conversion", and minted coins after the Nicene Council displaying himself as Apollo. - GIBBONS, Decline & Fall Of The Roman Empire

From The Atlas of the Roman World, p. 148:

To this point Constantine's religious affiliations combined two tendencies. They were associated with the sun, the symbol of the all powerful and all embracing god of contemporary religious thought, and within this conception had come to focus on Christ [Apollo as Christ] as the particular representative of that power who had revealed himself and offered his support to Constantine.

" All judges and city people and the craftsmen shall rest upon The Venerable Day of the Sun."
- Constantine, March 7th, 321 AD

His complex mind appears to have been capable of believing simultaneously in the Christian god and the entire pagan tradition. p. 361, The Horizon Book

To speak of the conversion of Constantine is to misunderstand the quality of his mind. He did not immediantly impose the Christian faith on his subjects. He continued to celebrate pagan festivals, minted coins in honor of APOLLO, Hercules, Mars, and Jupiter, and even after his "conversion", presented himself on coins wearing the spiked crown of Sol Invictus, the unconquored Sun. He ...showed a special predilection for APOLLO. P. 360, The Horizon Book

The name Apollo or Apollyon comes from the Greek “apōleia” and essentially means son of perdition, which is one of the biblical descriptions of the antichrist. This is the “god” that Constantine was venerating in his Christ’s Mass holiday. Interesting this “god” is referred in Revelation 9:11 as the “king of the abyss” which is consistent with the pagan mythology of Nimrod/Osiris/etc. who is claimed by them to have been reborn into the place of the dead as “lord of the underworld.” So in essence, what Constantine has accomplished, is to amalgamate the antichrist and Jesus into one entity, and to have professing Christians celebrate the birth of their “Lord” on the day of the rebirth of the antichrist.

This is no small issue because there are today countless books and documentaries being made with the entire premise being that Jesus is just another mythological sun god, and Christ’s Mass on December 25 being one of the key proofs of that. Obviously the error is that this never was Jesus’ birthday, but this is the problem with mixing lies with truth. Many well intentioned Christians are aiding in the deception, as well as blaspheming Christ by uniting Him with the antichrist.

Revelation 17:8-11 tells us that the yet coming antichrist of the end times is going to come out of the abyss, and that he is one of the seven antichrist kings that have already been. It even says that he will go to “apōleia” (perdition / destruction). Nimrod/Apollo/Osiris is the prime candidate to be this antichrist king that will miraculously return from the abyss and deceive the world, since he is the one that all major pagan religions since the tower of Babel have been waiting to return. The very same false “god” celebrated on Christ’s Mass, and amalgamated with Jesus Christ Himself through this holiday. It seems logical to me that if this son of perdition does come back, he would likely use Christ’s Mass to deceive the nominal Christians by claiming he’s the same “god” they’ve been worshipping all along as well, and that all of the ancient gods from Nimrod to Jesus were one in the same, and they are all him.

So why did the Roman Emperors give a Christian façade to antichrist worship to begin with? That is a complex question, and only makes sense if you realize the true essence of the pagan mystery religions. It is by nature an esoteric, occult system. That means that names and terminology are meaningless to them, but all that matters is the underlying esoteric meaning. So it doesn't matter to them if you call the winter solstice "saturnalia" or "Christ's mass" because they know the true occult (hidden) meaning is that they are celebrating the rebirth of the "light bearer" (Lucifer). This so-called "god" has taken countless titles throughout history, and they could care less if people want to call him Saturn, Apollo, Mercury, Baccus, or Jesus. They know who the "light bearer" being esoterically represented actually is. Constantine was never a true Christian, but was attempting to destroy it by making it another pagan mystery religion.

Any reputable encyclopedia will tell you that our modern day Christmas customs came out of paganism. Encyclopedia Britannica has this to say: "Christmas (i.e., the Mass of Christ) was not among the earliest festivals of the church." The exchanging of gifts, the making use of holly, the mistletoe and the yule log, the Christmas tree and the singing of carols, the dancing and the feasting are all of pagan origin and were all gradually grafted into the so-called "Christian" church during or after the fourth century A. D. Tertullian and others tell how exchanging of gifts was a part of the Saturnalia celebration. And the hymns they sang at that pagan feast were predecessors to the Christmas carols. Many pagan carols were adopted but were given a Christian meaning. Carols and dancing were kept out of the festival of Christmas for many centuries." The Americana declares: "The holly, the mistletoe, the Yule log and the wassail bowl are relics of pre Christian times."

The historian Alexander Hislop confirms these findings: "The wassailing bowl of Christmas had its precise counterpart in the 'Drunken festival' of Babylon," says Hislop; "and many of the other observances still kept up among ourselves at Christmas came from the very same quarter. The candles, in some parts of England (and America), lighted on Christmases, and used so long as the festive season lasts, were equally lighted by the Pagans on the eve of the festival of the Babylonian god, to do honor to him . . . The Christmas tree, now so common among us, was equally common in Pagan Rome and Pagan Egypt. In Egypt that tree was the palm tree; in Rome it was the fir." - The Two Babylons, page 97.

God's people are not supposed to have anything to do with pagan customs or pagan doctrine. The Bible tells us in Jeremiah 10: 2, "Learn not the way of the heathen." KJV But somehow the Christian has learned it just the same. Some will say, "We can't help it if we were born into a pagan world. We can't help it if we were reared and steeped in pagan doctrines and customs" Oh, yes you can! Jesus said, "Ye shall know the truth and the truth shall make you free."

Some "christians" foolishly thought they had won when this universal "church" started using "christian" terminology to practice these ancient pagan rituals and holy days, but in fact they had been duped into returning to pagan antichrist worship under a phony "christian" veneer. Paganism had won out and managed to incorporate christian converts back into the old satanic religions. Originally the protestors of the "universal" (Catholic) so-called "church" had understood this fact, and did not continue in these pagan traditions. Of course the allure of these pagan rituals eventually won them back to their pagan roots.

There is only one righteous thing that you can do with these pagan holidays and that is to repudiate them and have no part in them. It is extremely similar to the situation in Exodus 32 where the Israelite people where using pagan celebrations and attributing them to God:

Exodus 32:3-5 Then all the people tore off the gold rings which were in their ears and brought them to Aaron. He took this from their hand, and fashioned it with a graving tool and made it into a molten calf; and they said, "This is your god, O Israel, who brought you up from the land of Egypt." Now when Aaron saw this, he built an altar before it; and Aaron made a proclamation and said, "Tomorrow shall be a feast to the LORD."

Can we use golden calves to honor God? Obviously not. Can we use Catholicized antichrist sun worship rituals to honor God? I think the answer is equally self evident. They said they were sincerely doing it for the “Lord” and “God” who led them out of Egypt, but He was angered by them doing so. It is clear from the Bible that God doesn’t appreciate being amalgamated with pagan deities. That’s exactly what Christ’s Mass is, and no one who has studied the history can deny it.

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Well, I celebrate the 4th of July. I spend money on explosives and have a great time blowing things up. I celebrate thanksgiving. I stuff my face with food until I'm full, wait, then do it again a couple hours later.

How many here that are against Christmas celebrate these 2 holidays?

The way I see it, there are 2 exactly 2 days out of the year where people are reminded specifically of Jesus Christ. How can that be a bad thing?

This all reminds me of the usual merry-go-round,,,,

I know what the OT has to say about using "pagan" things to worship God. I also know it was a sin to eat food sacrificed to Idols. These days, it's no big deal, so long as your conscience is clear.

If you feel it's a sin to celebrate Christmas, then to you it is sin. For me, I see no reason why.

Throughout my life, I have been literally bombarded by Christians that want to tell me, how to dress, where to go, what to do, how to talk, who to be friends with, which days are special, how much money to give, who to give the money to. Frankly, I'm a little weary of all of it.
 

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19 What do I mean then? That a thing sacrificed to idols is anything, or that an idol is anything? 20 No, but I say that the things which the Gentiles sacrifice, they sacrifice to demons and not to God; and I do not want you to become sharers in demons.21 You cannot drink the cup of the Lord and the cup of demons; you cannot partake of the table of the Lord and the table of demons.22 Or do we provoke the Lord to jealousy? We are not stronger than He, are we? 23 All things are lawful, but not all things are profitable. All things are lawful, but not all things edify. 24 Let no one seek his own good, but that of his neighbor.


I Corinthians 10:19-24
 

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19 What do I mean then? That a thing sacrificed to idols is anything, or that an idol is anything? 20 No, but I say that the things which the Gentiles sacrifice, they sacrifice to demons and not to God; and I do not want you to become sharers in demons.21 You cannot drink the cup of the Lord and the cup of demons; you cannot partake of the table of the Lord and the table of demons.22 Or do we provoke the Lord to jealousy? We are not stronger than He, are we? 23 All things are lawful, but not all things are profitable. All things are lawful, but not all things edify. 24 Let no one seek his own good, but that of his neighbor.


I Corinthians 10:19-24



The shouting and application of that Scripture is pure nonsense.

Personally...I don't care if people decide to celebrate Christmas or not. It is not a big deal at my house. Like others, I put most of my energy into Thanksgiving. However...NO ONE is going to convince me that if someone decides to celebrate Christmas with a spirit of thanksgiving and joy over the Saviors birth, that God is going to be sitting on his throne, shaking his finger, and accusing HIS children of being "sharers in demons".
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NO ONE is going to convince me that if someone decides to celebrate Christmas with a spirit of thanksgiving and joy over the Saviors birth, that God is going to be sitting on his throne, shaking his finger, and accusing HIS children of being "sharers in demons".
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So if I fashion a nude sculpture of an ex-girlfriend, and put it in our bedroom; My wife should be ok with it as long as I'm doing it with thanksgiving and joy for her and not the ex-girlfriend?

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So if I fashion a nude sculpture of an ex-girlfriend, and put it in our bedroom; My wife should be ok with it as long as I'm doing it with thanksgiving and joy for her and not the ex-girlfriend?

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Now you're just being a toad.

The topic of this thread is not your past fornication. The topic is the celebration of Christmas.

Seems you not only have problems following a conversation but are also clueless.
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NOTE: I actually had a longer reply, however, out of respect for the Admin/Mod team of the forum, as well as the forum rules, I decided not to rake your rear end across the carpet for the ignorant and ugly response you have given.
 

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Do you fail to comprehend the parallel, or are you ducking the question because it exposes the flaw in your reasoning?

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There was nothing "parallel" in your twisted response to my initial reply.

If you see a parallel between celebrating the birth of the Savior and your sexual escapades then I would say you are the one with the "flawed reasoning".
 

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There was nothing "parallel" in your twisted response to my initial reply.

If you see a parallel between celebrating the birth of the Savior and your sexual escapades then I would say you are the one with the "flawed reasoning".

It's called an analogy. I guess you're having trouble comprehending it. It's an excellent one because God Himself refers to idolotry in terms of adultery, and that is what one is committing when he or she engages in the rituals and idols of the pagan antichrist religions.

Your essential point was that it was what's in one's intent that is the only thing that matters, even if the way one celebrates the day is filled with spiritual adultery. When I use that analogy to my own marriage, it is clearly evident to any moral person that it is wrong, even if my intentions were good. My wife would by angry and offended by my endeavor because it is adulterous by nature. In scripture, God makes it clear that He feels the same way, which was clear in the golden calf example I posted.

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It's called an analogy. I guess you're having trouble comprehending it. It's an excellent one because God Himself refers to idolotry in terms of adultery, and that is what one is committing when he or she engages in the rituals and idols of the pagan antichrist religions.

I'm not having "trouble" at all. On the contrary...I picked up your number quickly. Your so called "analogy" is ridiculous.

Your essential point was that it was what's in one's intent that is the only thing that matters, even if the way one celebrates the day is filled with spiritual adultery.

No...THAT was not my "essential point". However, I'm not surprised it went over your head. I said no such thing. Nor did I imply any such thing. You apparently have a comprehension problem as well.
 

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I just put up my Christmas tree tonight! Merry Christmas!
 

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Christmas....bah....humbug!!!

You are a very fortunate person if you can avoid Christmas all together. But we should certainly try to reduce its impact on our lives. There is very special reasons for this. Righteousness...as taught to us by Jesus...requires that we upbuild a righteous spirit within us and gives us special laws to enjoy life by whilst maintaining a robust spirit. We can't do that if we are wasting this vital resource by becoming involved in a celebration which uses Jesus Christ as a guise into the many stresses and sins that Christmas endorses. If we waste or squander our spiritual strength we will not have a robust spirit intact in times when it is needed most and the impending 'great tribulation' is when we will need it most.
 

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Very interesting that no one ever tells anyone to have a holy Christmas or even a Christ-centered Christmas.


Since the word Christmas originated as a compound of "Christ's Mass" wouldn't that be a bit redundant?

There are a many theories of where the term "merry" came from...

1. The Greek word "meryos" which means "Praise the Lord, Our salvation has come".

2. An acronym for "May Emmanuel Richly Reward You".

3. A wish that you may find the occasion (The birth of Christ) cheerful, hopeful and joyous.

Just to name a few.