Should Christians Celebrate Christmas?

[Buzzfruit]

This may sound strange coming from me, but I support Buzzfruit on this. Buzzfruit said:

"I make a habited of striving to allow the goodness of God comes out 24/7 and 365 days of the year. And so, yes, I do. That may be hard for you to believe but it is the truth. It all have to do with ones attitude and their way of thinking. Unfortunately too many Christians have a bad attitude about what they go through and take their disappointment and frustrations out on others, and thereby set a poor example."



Well, I have had run ins with Buzz often. I've questioned whether or not he has "been holy" all the time, and doubted he has. And I still do. I believe Buzzfruit has failed at his mission of to be Godly 24/7/365. But I don't doubt he hasn't strived to do that. He can try all he wants, But he ain't going to do it. Neither am I, and neither are you.

But... He tries. And I believe without knowing him, he probably does a better job than 99% of the people out there. Me? I don't even try. Now the goodness that is in me, I let it go through.... The only thing I wonder about Buzzfruit is whether he thinks his good deeds mean anything. On earth, I think they do. Spiritually, they are still filthy rags..... But I'd rather live next to his filthy rags than Jeffrey Dahmer's. And I haven't seen anything about Buzzfruit that suggests he doesn't name the name of Christ, and credit him, other than him mentioning, "Yea.... I strive to be a good person!"

Chances are I'll clash with Buzzfruit again about certain issues. However, he's proven to me that he follows the Bible and what God has said. For now, I believe he's a sincere man when he says, "I strive to be good". I do too.... Don't you?

Here's what Jesus said we should do

Luke 13:24 (ASV)
[sup]24 [/sup]Strive to enter in by the narrow door: for many, I say unto you, shall seek to enter in, and shall not be able.
Here's what the Bible says our deeds earn us.

Revelation 21:7 (KJV)
[sup]7 [/sup]He that overcometh shall inherit all things; and I will be his God, and he shall be my son.


In all my conversations I never said that when I do what I do I am doing it to earn salvation. Salvation is free and cannot be earned but just because it is free does not mean we should not strive to overcome, because that would be like the one in Jesus' parable that sat on the money that his master gave him and did nothing with it.

 

[jiggyfly]

This may sound strange coming from me, but I support Buzzfruit on this. Buzzfruit said:

"I make a habited of striving to allow the goodness of God comes out 24/7 and 365 days of the year. And so, yes, I do. That may be hard for you to believe but it is the truth. It all have to do with ones attitude and their way of thinking. Unfortunately too many Christians have a bad attitude about what they go through and take their disappointment and frustrations out on others, and thereby set a poor example."



Well, I have had run ins with Buzz often. I've questioned whether or not he has "been holy" all the time, and doubted he has. And I still do. I believe Buzzfruit has failed at his mission of to be Godly 24/7/365. But I don't doubt he hasn't strived to do that. He can try all he wants, But he ain't going to do it. Neither am I, and neither are you.

But... He tries. And I believe without knowing him, he probably does a better job than 99% of the people out there. Me? I don't even try. Now the goodness that is in me, I let it go through.... The only thing I wonder about Buzzfruit is whether he thinks his good deeds mean anything. On earth, I think they do. Spiritually, they are still filthy rags..... But I'd rather live next to his filthy rags than Jeffrey Dahmer's. And I haven't seen anything about Buzzfruit that suggests he doesn't name the name of Christ, and credit him, other than him mentioning, "Yea.... I strive to be a good person!"

Chances are I'll clash with Buzzfruit again about certain issues. However, he's proven to me that he follows the Bible and what God has said. For now, I believe he's a sincere man when he says, "I strive to be good". I do too.... Don't you?

Go back and read the initial posts's that started the discussion. Whether or not Buzz sincerely tries to be good is not the discussion.

Go back to post #93 where he said, "If that kindness was genuine people would not wait around for that date to be kind.......it would be expressed by all on the other days and months as well. So you may be fooled by it but God knows that it is only an outward show."

 

[FHII]

I've checked the first 4 posts by him in this thread.... Also 93. I see nothing that warrents any objection to what I said.

 

[Vashti]

We should ask ourselves the question whether God like these feast - after all we are called to do everything for His glory, right?
Personally, I do not think that God expects us to celebrate the birth of the Lord - because He nothing spoke about it.

Most people are not interested what God expected of them, are not obey Him and live as they want.
But they celebrates the birth of the Lord - not doing what the Lord commanded, but doing what they invented themselves.

It is easy to understand that a few days off, rest, meet with family and friends, good food, gifts, festive season, decorated shops, etc., etc. - all like all of it, but all is not the glory of God, only for the body. Because the Lord is well pleased in the pure of heart, not in events.

The world does not do it for Lord, but for the body. Instead of repent, deceive ourselves that they doing something that God has to please. In addition, they use the Lord's Name to that things that really have nothing with Him.

Are Christians doing well when they take part in this? I think it the bad, but please do not think that I disapprove of someone. It's just my opinion. I support the speakers opposing the celebration Christmas.

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[aspen]

We should ask ourselves the question whether God like these feast - after all we are called to do everything for His glory, right?
Personally, I do not think that God expects us to celebrate the birth of the Lord - because He nothing spoke about it.

Most people are not interested what God expected of them, are not obey Him and live as they want.
But they celebrates the birth of the Lord - not doing what the Lord commanded, but doing what they invented themselves.

It is easy to understand that a few days off, rest, meet with family and friends, good food, gifts, festive season, decorated shops, etc., etc. - all like all of it, but all is not the glory of God, only for the body. Because the Lord is well pleased in the pure of heart, not in events.

The world does not do it for Lord, but for the body. Instead of repent, deceive ourselves that they doing something that God has to please. In addition, they use the Lord's Name to that things that really have nothing with Him.

Are Christians doing well when they take part in this? I think it the bad, but please do not think that I disapprove of someone. It's just my opinion. I support the speakers opposing the celebration Christmas.

And yet Jesus seemed to enjoy life - He ate with sinners and drank wine at weddings. Does all enjoyment have to be explicitly stated in the Bible to be declared ok for Christian participation? You statement reminds me of the legalism preached by the Pharisees about picking grain to eat on the Sabbath.

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[Vashti]

And yet Jesus seemed to enjoy life - He ate with sinners and drank wine at weddings. Does all enjoyment have to be explicitly stated in the Bible to be declared ok for Christian participation? You statement reminds me of the legalism preached by the Pharisees about picking grain to eat on the Sabbath.

Yes, Jesus ate with sinners, but not identified with the pagan religious customs.

When Scripture says, not conformed to this world, does that mean that we do not have to participate in the world's morals or religion?

What you call things of darkness - to participate in a common wedding, or taking part in pagan religious rite?

It is easy to call someone a Pharisee, but somehow you must respect the biblical clues - at all, not only when fit.

 

[aspen]

Unless you can provide a verse that tells us not to celebrate Christ's birth, you are just being legalistic.

 

[Vashti]

But the Bible do not says about many tnings ... that, for example, do not take drugs - you say that everyone who tell so the legalist?

 

[aspen]

But the Bible do not says about many tnings ... that, for example, do not take drugs - you say that everyone who tell so the legalist?

It is legalistic to enforce theological mandates that are not explicitly mentioned in the Bible. Is it a good idea to take illegal drugs, no. Is it against God's Word to take drugs - not that I have read.

 

[Templar81]

[sub]I can't imagine that God would siaprrove of a feast dedicated to the birth of his son.[/sub]

 

[Vashti]

Is it against God's Word to take drugs - YES, "for a person is a slave of anything that has conquered him" (2Pe 2:19) and "no one can be a slave of two masters..." (Mat 6:24).

Is it against God's Word to celebration Christmas - yes, for "have nothing to do with the worthless things that people do, things that belong to the darkness" (Eph 5:11)

[sub]I can't imagine that God would siaprrove of a feast dedicated to the birth of his son.[/sub]

what does the world - is a farce, but not a feast dedicated to the birth of Son.

 

[aspen]

Is it against God's Word to take drugs - YES, "for a person is a slave of anything that has conquered him" (2Pe 2:19) and "no one can be a slave of two masters..." (Mat 6:24).


what does the world - is a farce, and not a feast dedicated to the birth of Son.

Taking drugs and being addicted to drugs (gluttony) are different.

 

[Vashti]

Taking drugs and being addicted to drugs (gluttony) are different.

what the specialists from addictions say on the subject ? A large difference (as many have) between one or the other? Have you read what it was doing a common cigarette in relation to addiction?

well and what it has to do with your assertion that if there is no verse forbidding to take drugs, it is legalism?
How many people do you know that applicants themselves heroin intravenously and free from addiction?

 

[Buzzfruit]

We should ask ourselves the question whether God like these feast - after all we are called to do everything for His glory, right?
Personally, I do not think that God expects us to celebrate the birth of the Lord - because He nothing spoke about it.

Most people are not interested what God expected of them, are not obey Him and live as they want.
But they celebrates the birth of the Lord - not doing what the Lord commanded, but doing what they invented themselves.

It is easy to understand that a few days off, rest, meet with family and friends, good food, gifts, festive season, decorated shops, etc., etc. - all like all of it, but all is not the glory of God, only for the body. Because the Lord is well pleased in the pure of heart, not in events.

The world does not do it for Lord, but for the body. Instead of repent, deceive ourselves that they doing something that God has to please. In addition, they use the Lord's Name to that things that really have nothing with Him.

Are Christians doing well when they take part in this? I think it the bad, but please do not think that I disapprove of someone. It's just my opinion. I support the speakers opposing the celebration Christmas.

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J student to speak / read / write in English, sorry for mistakes

Personally, I don't see anything wrong with celebrating the fact that Jesus was born, but why wait for December the 25 to do it? Why not do it every month or a couple of times throughout the year? But it is not a sin not to celebrate Jesus' birth either. Because if it was that important God would have made sure Jesus' birth was recorded in the Bible. What's important is the fact that He was born.

 

[Vashti]

I am not saying that there is something wrong with celebrating the birth of the Lord. I am saying that there is something wrong with the imitation of deeds of darkness, and connecting to the pagan customs.
I mean all the holidays with their roots in paganism, also Halloween and the like.

 

[Buzzfruit]

I am not saying that there is something wrong with celebrating the birth of the Lord. I am saying that there is something wrong with the imitation of deeds of darkness, and connecting to the pagan customs.
I mean all the holidays with their roots in paganism, also Halloween and the like.

I know you were not. A lot of Christians here in the U.S don't want to feel left out of some of the things people in the world do, so some will come up with all sorts of excuses to participate. It's the same way many talk about supporting the troupes, even though much of those soldiers are killing innocent people…committing war crimes all over wherever they go.

 

[aspen]

I am free from the slavery of sin, which means that I can now make good choices instead of only being able to chose between lesser good choices or sin. All of creation can now be reclaimed for God including days that were corrupted by paganism. God is the creator of all things even the days of the week. I am free to love my neighbors in any setting or culture or religious gathering I happen to be apart of and I will do just that.

 

[Buzzfruit]

I am free from the slavery of sin, which means that I can now make good choices instead of only being able to chose between lesser good choices or sin. All of creation can now be reclaimed for God including days that were corrupted by paganism. God is the creator of all things even the days of the week. I am free to love my neighbors in any setting or culture or religious gathering I happen to be apart of and I will do just that.

But does that mean that a bunch of people are having a night of sexual orgies for some false god that means that you can adopted that practice and use it to honor God?

 

[Angelina]

Buzzfruit

You are reading more into what people are actually saying here and then twisting it into another argument....an argument that has nothing to do with the OP and one that causes a brother to have to defend something they never said nor intended...Do not bait people into arguments as this may be looked upon as violating forum rules which clearly states: "trolling is the practice of making posts only meant to annoy, offend, or simply disrupt. Simply do not do any of them".

Shalom, Angelina
Moderating Team

 

[Buzzfruit]

Buzzfruit

You are reading more into what people are actually saying here and then twisting it into another argument....an argument that has nothing to do with the OP and one that causes a brother to have to defend something they never said nor intended...Do not bait people into arguments as this may be looked upon as violating forum rules which clearly states: "trolling is the practice of making posts only meant to annoy, offend, or simply disrupt. Simply do not do any of them".

Shalom, Angelina
Moderating Team

I have read what he said and my question is according to what he said. My question is an honest one. But I have noticed that many Christians try to avoid answering direct questions.