I’m in a strange place: very conservative, but not Christian

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Jesus is not the only archetype of a savior whose been resurrected. So has Mithras, Krisha, Horus.


You gotta be jivin' us boy..:)
Mithras looks like some kind of perv, Krishna like a tranny, and Horus like a bleddy cockatoo..:)

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The God in the Bible literally asked of Abraham to murder his own son Isaac as a testament of his faith and no matter how much apologists want to rationalize a god asking of someone to murder their son just to appease,
I confess that I struggled for the longest time with this, especially as I lost my infant son due to sudden infant death. :(

Except for the murder part, you got it right - almost. It was not a question. And it was not appeasement.

I'll be happy to explain the proper moral of the story, if you are interested.
 

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Protestants are big on believing that salvation happens through faith and grace alone (not works) since Jesus paid it all. So you mean to tell me that if I live a lifetime of crime and deceiving others, as soon as I accept Jesus as my savior in my last few breaths, I am automatically saved? Or I have heard them say that faith in Jesus is already a work alone. Clearly it doesn’t matter if you live a life full of peace and helping others, you will go to hell all because you don’t accept Jesus as your savior.
Our lord's yoke is light - but not nonexistent. Where do you stand on forgiveness?

Regarding works; there is a difference between 'works' in the Bible and what we today think of work. As I've mentioned several times, the line is between internal working out your salvation through humility and faith as opposed to doing something external to justify yourself.
 

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He revealed himself to us based off fallible witness testimony and by people who knew nothing of electricity.

Yup. Do you have faith in your fellow man? Can anyone prove something to you that you did not see or at least be believe them? Most atheists are also misanthropic and would never believe their fellow man on such matters.

I am asserting we are not absolute in the context of being physically limited as a form, unlike God.
You are asserting a negation, which is really no assertion but a denial of an assertion. Many play such word games with themselves, especially on the subject of absolutes.
 

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I reject I think, therefore I am because I am without having to think. Everyone has had gaps in their thinking of no thought whilst existing. When you go to sleep, you’re not thinking. Yet you don’t cease to be.

Sokath, his eyes uncovered/opened! We don't cease to be - an absolute.

If God is finite, then that goes against the eternal nature of God according to the Abrahamic religions.
I don't think so. I already demonstrated multiple ways God is finite. Perhaps it is 2nd hand information you are getting or someone relying on a bad translation, not dividing the word of God correctly.
 

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How can I exist purely because I think? I do not think myself into existence. I am surprised you haven’t quite looked into what Descartes said a bit deeper.
You have it backwards. Descartes could not deny the fact that he was thinking and the undeniable extension of this fact is the undeniable fact that he exists. Concentrated statements of Absolutes.
 

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Yea right! Is that a mantra you heard once and parroted without critical thinking? Have you read the Bible?

I have read the Bible unlike some Christians who read their favorite verse over 10,000 times and then claim they ‘read the Bible’. A Pew research study here even confirms atheists and agnostics know more about religion and the Bible than the religious do. Believers have a hard time fathoming that one can rationally conclude to be an atheist and attempt to project their own faith based belief by saying something such as, “I don’t have enough faith to be an atheist.” The believers who have read the Bible fully however, I can understand why they won’t necessarily be atheist because of it-justifications have to be made for every questionable verse in particular and they end up relying on apologetics to help in said justifications. It’s a lot of work having to justify and practice mental gymnastics when it comes to atrocious actions by God in the Old Testament.

Among religious ‘nones,’ atheists and agnostics know the most about religion

But yes, all it took for me to be an atheist is to read the actual Bible. Christians have told me I didn’t read it correctly to which I respond back to them with, “How do we know you didn’t read it correctly instead? Given that you have to put in all this work justifying very questionable aspects of scripture.”

An example is everyone else being born in sin due to someone else’s mistake-Eve with the apple to Adam not watching her closely enough..take your pick. Anyways, the response I get is that it’s a lot like my parents having done certain things during my upbringing which has lasting effects. This is a weak argument. If my father murdered someone, that does not mean I too will automatically be the same as him. To say that we are all born in sin because it just carried over like genetics do, is an insult to everyone’s intelligence. It’s akin to saying, “You are too dumb and broken to think for yourself”.
 
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You have it backwards. Descartes could not deny the fact that he was thinking and the undeniable extension of this fact is the undeniable fact that he exists. Concentrated statements of Absolutes.

But there are many moments when you exist without thought. Your existence does not depend on you having to think. If your existence depends on you thinking, then you would cease to be when going to sleep. Those in a coma also aren’t thinking about anything yet they exist. Descartes probably meant that thinking is indicative of existing, but not a necessity.

Why do you still exist when you’re not thinking? That refutes, ‘I think, therefore I am’.
 
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Yup. Do you have faith in your fellow man? Can anyone prove something to you that you did not see or at least be believe them? Most atheists are also misanthropic and would never believe their fellow man on such matters.


You are asserting a negation, which is really no assertion but a denial of an assertion. Many play such word games with themselves, especially on the subject of absolutes.

Not misanthropic, but skeptical. The Christian view is pretty misanthropic given that they see everyone including themselves as sinners in need of forgiveness.
 

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Our lord's yoke is light - but not nonexistent. Where do you stand on forgiveness?

Regarding works; there is a difference between 'works' in the Bible and what we today think of work. As I've mentioned several times, the line is between internal working out your salvation through humility and faith as opposed to doing something external to justify yourself.

My friend, if that’s not mystical then I don’t know what is. You think I’m a mystic and talk about mystical things yet the majority of Christian concepts are pretty mystical in nature. Angels, demons, hell, heaven, Holy Spirit…sounds pretty mystical to me.
 

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You claim to be skeptic but are an atheist. The question was Do you have faith in your fellow man?

And atheism is a layer of skepticism. Atheists simply lack the belief in a god. The ones who assert there is no god is a subcategory.

I don’t have faith in faith. This is the core of postmodernism. The very notion of truth is taken into question.
 

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There is no faith in a lack of belief in god. It’s not a belief, but a lack.

We are not talking about god but your belief in Pew research as the source of truth WHILE denying even the notion of truth.

You have much faith in Atheism but are no skeptic.

Again, I leave you to your mystical contradictions.