The Day of The Lord, Wrong Timing Applied

[Truth7t7]

It's a Parable! A semi fictitious story spoken to deliver a single truth.
In this particular parable, the only fact and truth to be learned, is found in KJV Luke 16 [31] And he said unto him, If they hear not Moses and the prophets, neither will they be persuaded, though one rose from the dead.

A parable of reality, showing a place of torment upon the wicked's death called "Hell"

It appears your in the camp of 7th Day Adventist "Soul Sleep" who deny "Hell" in literal "Conscious" torment

 

[Truth7t7]

For all of your posts above, that you recently wrote:
Then you are clueless and beside yourself, as to how to explain KJV Zechariah 14:6-8, through the filter of the false "pre-mil" doctrine, of which helps you to fabricate everything for all of your mis-understanding.

Yes a denial of the simple fact that the "River Of Life" is seen flowing from Jerusalem, yes this is the "Eternal Kingdom"!

Zechariah 14:8KJV
8 And it shall be in that day, that living waters shall go out from Jerusalem; half of them toward the former sea, and half of them toward the hinder sea: in summer and in winter shall it be.

 

[Truth7t7]

It is written that Lord Jesus comes ONLY TWO TIMES.

FIRST COMING:
Zech 9:9-10
9 Rejoice greatly, O daughter of Zion; shout, O daughter of Jerusalem: behold, thy King cometh unto thee: he is just, and having salvation; lowly, and riding upon an ass, and upon a colt the foal of an ass.

SECOND COMING:
10 And I will cut off the chariot from Ephraim, and the horse from Jerusalem, and the battle bow shall be cut off: and he shall speak peace unto the heathen: and his dominion shall be from sea even to sea, and from the river even to the ends of the earth.
KJV

Christ's 1st coming was to die on the cross, becoming the one perfect sacrifice for all time.

Christ's 2nd coming is to begin His eternal reign over all nations and peoples as KING of kings and LORD of lords.

ANY IDEA of a 3rd coming is from MEN'S FALSE TRADITIONS.

You have been shown several times that Jesus returns in fire and final judgment, "Dissolving" this earth by fire

In your Millennial Kingdom "Bias" you deny this "Dissolving" fire, and claim its going to be a fire destroying man's works, but this earth survives

It's amazing how you point the finger, when your in denial of a basic elementary fact that this earth will be "Dissolved", Gone!

 

[Earburner]

Like I've already shown, what you do to God's Holy Writ is the same things that got Origen of Alexandria excommunicated from the early Church, wrongly allegorizing literal Truths in God's Word until it makes those Scriptures

Dodging and weaving my question for you to explain Zechariah 14:6-8, is not helping to display your knowledge about it.

 

[Earburner]

Yes a denial of the simple fact that the "River Of Life" is seen flowing from Jerusalem, yes this is the "Eternal Kingdom"!

Zechariah 14:8KJV
8 And it shall be in that day, that living waters shall go out from Jerusalem; half of them toward the former sea, and half of them toward the hinder sea: in summer and in winter shall it be.

Yes! But when?
Do you have anything to offer about verses 6-7?

 

[Earburner]

A parable of reality, showing a place of torment upon the wicked's death called "Hell"

It appears your in the camp of 7th Day Adventist "Soul Sleep" who deny "Hell" in literal "Conscious" torment

Jesus spoke parables why?
G3850- a similitude, a symbolically fictitious story.

First, it was prophesied that He would.
Matthew 13[34] All these things spake Jesus unto the multitude in parables; and without a parable spake he not unto them:
[35] That it might be fulfilled which was spoken by the prophet, saying, I will open my mouth in parables; I will utter things which have been kept secret from the foundation of the world.

Second, the truth in a parable would only be found by those who HEAR the Lord's meaning by His Spirit. Zechariah 4:6.
Matthew 13[10] And the disciples came, and said unto him, Why speakest thou unto them in parables?[13] Therefore speak I to them in parables: because they seeing see not; and hearing they hear not, neither do they understand.

 

[Truth7t7]

Yes! But when?
Do you have anything to offer about verses 6-7?

(The Eternal Kingdom)

Zechariah 14:1-12 below shows the Lords return to earth in fire in final judgement.

(Verse 1) shows "The Day Of The Lord" also seen in 2 Peter 3:10-13 "Fire Judgement" below

(Verse 2) Shows that all nations are gathered for the final battle of armageddon.

(Verses 3-5) shows the Lords return, and his eternal feet touch down on the earthly Mt, of Olives, and in the "Twinkling Of An Eye" 1 Cor 15:52 takes place, in the catching up, resurrection, final judgement by fire, and the New Heavens, Earth, and Jerusalem being revealed for eternity, judgement complete, eternity begins.

(Verses 6-7) Eternal light seen, in the eternal kingdom, Rev 22:1-5

(Verse 8) The river of life is seen, Rev 22:1-5

(Verse 10) The New creation is being revealed, the plain is lifted up.

(Verse 12) "The Day Of The Lord" showing the "Last Day" judgement by the Lords fire, as men are consumed as they stand on their feet, 2 Peter 3:10-13

2 Peter 3:10KJV
10 But the day of the Lord will come as a thief in the night; in the which the heavens shall pass away with a great noise, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat, the earth also and the works that are therein shall be burned up.

Revelation 22:1 & 5KJV
1 And he shewed me a pure river of water of life, clear as crystal, proceeding out of the throne of God and of the Lamb.

5 And there shall be no night there; and they need no candle, neither light of the sun; for the Lord God giveth them light: and they shall reign for ever and ever.

"The Eternal Kingdom"!

Zechariah 14:1-12KJV
14 Behold, the day of the Lord cometh, and thy spoil shall be divided in the midst of thee.
2 For I will gather all nations against Jerusalem to battle; and the city shall be taken, and the houses rifled, and the women ravished; and half of the city shall go forth into captivity, and the residue of the people shall not be cut off from the city.
3 Then shall the Lord go forth, and fight against those nations, as when he fought in the day of battle.
4 And his feet shall stand in that day upon the mount of Olives, which is before Jerusalem on the east, and the mount of Olives shall cleave in the midst thereof toward the east and toward the west, and there shall be a very great valley; and half of the mountain shall remove toward the north, and half of it toward the south.
5 And ye shall flee to the valley of the mountains; for the valley of the mountains shall reach unto Azal: yea, ye shall flee, like as ye fled from before the earthquake in the days of Uzziah king of Judah: and the Lord my God shall come, and all the saints with thee.
6 And it shall come to pass in that day, that the light shall not be clear, nor dark:
7 but it shall be one day which shall be known to the Lord, not day, nor night: but it shall come to pass, that at evening time it shall be light.
8 And it shall be in that day, that living waters shall go out from Jerusalem; half of them toward the former sea, and half of them toward the hinder sea: in summer and in winter shall it be.
9 And the Lordshall be king over all the earth: in that day shall there be one Lord, and his name one.
10 All the land shall be turned as a plain from Geba to Rimmon south of Jerusalem: and it shall be lifted up, and inhabited in her place, from Benjamin’s gate unto the place of the first gate, unto the corner gate, and from the tower of Hananeel unto the king’s winepresses.
11 And men shall dwell in it, and there shall be no more utter destruction; but Jerusalem shall be safely inhabited.
12 And this shall be the plague wherewith the Lord will smite all the people that have fought against Jerusalem; Their flesh shall consume away while they stand upon their feet, and their eyes shall consume away in their holes, and their tongue shall consume away in their mouth.

 

[Truth7t7]

Jesus spoke parables why?
G3850- a similitude, a symbolically fictitious story.

First, it was prophesied that He would.
Matthew 13[34] All these things spake Jesus unto the multitude in parables; and without a parable spake he not unto them:
[35] That it might be fulfilled which was spoken by the prophet, saying, I will open my mouth in parables; I will utter things which have been kept secret from the foundation of the world.

Second, the truth in a parable would only be found by those who HEAR the Lord's meaning by His Spirit. Zechariah 4:6.
Matthew 13[10] And the disciples came, and said unto him, Why speakest thou unto them in parables?[13] Therefore speak I to them in parables: because they seeing see not; and hearing they hear not, neither do they understand.

We Strongly Disagree

A parable of reality, showing a place of torment upon the wicked's death called "Hell"

It appears your in the camp of 7th Day Adventist "Soul Sleep" who deny "Hell" in literal "Conscious" torment

 

[Earburner]

That's pretty much an admission that you don't have a clue of what that Revelation 3:9 Message to the Church of Philadelphia means, and what timing it will happen. NONE of those of that "synagogue of Satan" come to worship at the feet of Christ's elect yet today!

And that is NOT a difficult idea to understand per that Revelation 3:9 Scripture.

But you show you don't care what that says, much as you also show about other Bible Scripture.

Zechariah 4:6 and John 16:13 is my complete answer. Can you go it alone with Jesus as your only "guide", or do you still depend on the wisdom of men? 1 Corinthians 2:5.
So far, you are revealing the latter.

 

[Earburner]

(The Eternal Kingdom)

Zechariah 14:1-12 below shows the Lords return to earth in fire in final judgement.

(Verse 1) shows "The Day Of The Lord" also seen in 2 Peter 3:10-13 "Fire Judgement" below

(Verse 2) Shows that all nations are gathered for the final battle of armageddon.

(Verses 3-5) shows the Lords return, and his eternal feet touch down on the earthly Mt, of Olives, and in the "Twinkling Of An Eye" 1 Cor 15:52 takes place, in the catching up, resurrection, final judgement by fire, and the New Heavens, Earth, and Jerusalem being revealed for eternity, judgement complete, eternity begins.

(Verses 6-7) Eternal light seen, in the eternal kingdom, Rev 22:1-5

(Verse 8) The river of life is seen, Rev 22:1-5

(Verse 10) The New creation is being revealed, the plain is lifted up.

(Verse 12) "The Day Of The Lord" showing the "Last Day" judgement by the Lords fire, as men are consumed as they stand on their feet, 2 Peter 3:10-13

2 Peter 3:10KJV
10 But the day of the Lord will come as a thief in the night; in the which the heavens shall pass away with a great noise, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat, the earth also and the works that are therein shall be burned up.

Revelation 22:1 & 5KJV
1 And he shewed me a pure river of water of life, clear as crystal, proceeding out of the throne of God and of the Lamb.

5 And there shall be no night there; and they need no candle, neither light of the sun; for the Lord God giveth them light: and they shall reign for ever and ever.

"The Eternal Kingdom"!

Zechariah 14:1-12KJV
14 Behold, the day of the Lord cometh, and thy spoil shall be divided in the midst of thee.
2 For I will gather all nations against Jerusalem to battle; and the city shall be taken, and the houses rifled, and the women ravished; and half of the city shall go forth into captivity, and the residue of the people shall not be cut off from the city.
3 Then shall the Lord go forth, and fight against those nations, as when he fought in the day of battle.
4 And his feet shall stand in that day upon the mount of Olives, which is before Jerusalem on the east, and the mount of Olives shall cleave in the midst thereof toward the east and toward the west, and there shall be a very great valley; and half of the mountain shall remove toward the north, and half of it toward the south.
5 And ye shall flee to the valley of the mountains; for the valley of the mountains shall reach unto Azal: yea, ye shall flee, like as ye fled from before the earthquake in the days of Uzziah king of Judah: and the Lord my God shall come, and all the saints with thee.
6 And it shall come to pass in that day, that the light shall not be clear, nor dark:
7 but it shall be one day which shall be known to the Lord, not day, nor night: but it shall come to pass, that at evening time it shall be light.
8 And it shall be in that day, that living waters shall go out from Jerusalem; half of them toward the former sea, and half of them toward the hinder sea: in summer and in winter shall it be.
9 And the Lordshall be king over all the earth: in that day shall there be one Lord, and his name one.
10 All the land shall be turned as a plain from Geba to Rimmon south of Jerusalem: and it shall be lifted up, and inhabited in her place, from Benjamin’s gate unto the place of the first gate, unto the corner gate, and from the tower of Hananeel unto the king’s winepresses.
11 And men shall dwell in it, and there shall be no more utter destruction; but Jerusalem shall be safely inhabited.
12 And this shall be the plague wherewith the Lord will smite all the people that have fought against Jerusalem; Their flesh shall consume away while they stand upon their feet, and their eyes shall consume away in their holes, and their tongue shall consume away in their mouth.

OK, I see what you are saying about Jesus' third coming in His Immortality, but I think you skipped Jesus' first coming in the flesh, and His second coming by His Spirit on Pentecost.

In Jesus' first coming, He said:
John 4
[10] Jesus answered and said unto her, If thou knewest the gift of God, and who it is that saith to thee, Give me to drink; thou wouldest have asked of him, and he would have given thee living water.

Jesus, looking forward to His second coming on Pentecost, said:
John 7[38] He that believeth on me, as the scripture hath said, out of his belly [their very being] shall flow rivers of living water.

 

[Truth7t7]

OK, I see what you are saying about Jesus' third coming in His Immortality, but I think you skipped Jesus' first coming in the flesh, and His second coming by His Spirit on Pentecost.

In Jesus' first coming, He said:
John 4
[10] Jesus answered and said unto her, If thou knewest the gift of God, and who it is that saith to thee, Give me to drink; thou wouldest have asked of him, and he would have given thee living water.

Jesus, looking forward to His second coming on Pentecost, said:
John 7[38] He that believeth on me, as the scripture hath said, out of his belly [their very being] shall flow rivers of living water.

I Disagree

Jesus sent the Holy Spirit, he didn't come as you suggest

John 15:26KJV
26 But when the Comforter is come, whom I will send unto you from the Father, even the Spirit of truth, which proceedeth from the Father, he shall testify of me:

 

[Earburner]

We Strongly Disagree

A parable of reality, showing a place of torment upon the wicked's death called "Hell"

It appears your in the camp of 7th Day Adventist "Soul Sleep" who deny "Hell" in literal "Conscious" torment

So you are denying the meaning of the very Greek word: "parable" (G3850), that is used throughout the NT???

 

[Truth7t7]

So you are denying the meaning of the very Greek word (G3850), that is used throughout the NT???

I strongly disagree with the 7th Day Adventist false doctrine in unconscious "Soul Sleep", it's that simple

 

[Earburner]

I Disagree

Jesus sent the Holy Spirit, he didn't come as you suggest

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I'm not suggesting anything, I am qualifying KJV scripture by His Spirit. John 16:13.
John 14[18] I will not leave you comfortless: I will come to you.
Revelation 3[20] Behold, I stand at the door, and knock: if any man hear my voice, and open the door, I will come into him, and will sup with him, and he with me.

What are the individual personal pronouns, in the plural, that are being used in KJV Genesis 1:26 and John 14:23?
When you can understand it by His Spirit, You will have your answer to that of His second coming on Pentacost.

Let me know when it is that Jesus STOPS "coming" to people, because when He DOES, look out for His third coming from Heaven, in all His Immortal Glory.
Romans 8:9.....are we ready?
Do you have His "Living Water" NOW?
If so, then you ARE READY!!
Jesus DID COME to you.

 

[Earburner]

I strongly disagree with the 7th Day Adventist false doctrine in unconscious "Soul Sleep", it's that simple

I am not SDA. Whatever you think about born again Christians being "asleep" in Jesus, is absolutely true!
John 11:26, 1 Thessalonians 4:14.

But as for the unsaved dead in their graves, they are DEAD, having no consciousness AT ALL!!
Ecclesiastes 9[5] For the living know that they shall die: but the dead know not any thing, neither have they any more a reward; for the memory of them is forgotten.

 

[Earburner]

Yes a denial of the simple fact that the "River Of Life" is seen flowing from Jerusalem, yes this is the "Eternal Kingdom"!

Zechariah 14:8KJV
8 And it shall be in that day, that living waters shall go out from Jerusalem; half of them toward the former sea, and half of them toward the hinder sea: in summer and in winter shall it be.

Which day did "living waters", God's Holy Spirit, LITERALLY go out from Jerusalem?
Ans. On the Day of Pentacost!

Do you deny this?
If so, then here is more confirmation:
Matthew 21[43] Therefore say I unto you [Jews], The kingdom of God shall be taken from you, and GIVEN to a nation bringing forth the fruits thereof.
What nation is that? The USA, China, France, etc., etc., all the Gentiles? NO!!
It's shown right here in 1 Peter 2[9] But ye [Born Again Christians] are a chosen generation, a royal priesthood, an holy nation, a peculiar people; that ye should shew forth the praises of him who hath called you out of darkness into his marvellous light:

 

[Truth7t7]

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I'm not suggesting anything, I am qualifying KJV scripture by His Spirit. John 16:13.
John 14[18] I will not leave you comfortless: I will come to you.
Revelation 3[20] Behold, I stand at the door, and knock: if any man hear my voice, and open the door, I will come into him, and will sup with him, and he with me.

What are the individual personal pronouns, in the plural, that are being used in KJV Genesis 1:26 and John 14:23?
When you can understand it by His Spirit, You will have your answer to that of His second coming on Pentacost.

Let me know when it is that Jesus STOPS "coming" to people, because when He DOES, look out for His third coming from Heaven, in all His Immortal Glory.
Romans 8:9.....are we ready?
Do you have His "Living Water" NOW?
If so, then you ARE READY!!
Jesus DID COME to you.

Once again I disagree that Jesus came on Pentecost, it was God the Holy Spirit that came, I disagree with your interpretation

 

[Truth7t7]

I am not SDA. Whatever you think about born again Christians being "asleep" in Jesus, is absolutely true!
John 11:26, 1 Thessalonians 4:14.

But as for the unsaved dead in their graves, they are DEAD, having no consciousness AT ALL!!
Ecclesiastes 9[5] For the living know that they shall die: but the dead know not any thing, neither have they any more a reward; for the memory of them is forgotten.

One thing you, Jehovahs Witnesses, and 7th Day Adventist have in common is, the false teaching that the wicked upon death doesn't enter into Hell's concious torment

 

[Truth7t7]

Which day did "living waters", God's Holy Spirit, LITERALLY go out from Jerusalem?
Ans. On the Day of Pentacost!

Do you deny this?
If so, then here is more confirmation:
Matthew 21[43] Therefore say I unto you [Jews], The kingdom of God shall be taken from you, and GIVEN to a nation bringing forth the fruits thereof.
What nation is that? The USA, China, France, etc., etc., all the Gentiles? NO!!
It's shown right here in 1 Peter 2[9] But ye [Born Again Christians] are a chosen generation, a royal priesthood, an holy nation, a peculiar people; that ye should shew forth the praises of him who hath called you out of darkness into his marvellous light:

I disagree with your interpretation of Zechariah 14:8 in that being the Holy Spirit going forth from Jerusalem as living waters

The verse clearly shows the eternal river of life in the future eternal kingdom

 

[Earburner]

I disagree with your interpretation of Zechariah 14:8 in that being the Holy Spirit going forth from Jerusalem as living waters

The verse clearly shows the eternal river of life in the future eternal kingdom

Well of course the River of Life is there, as well as the Tree of Life also.

What kind of "Eternal kingdom" would it be without Jesus, who said: "I am the way, the truth and the Life."
To say otherwise, would be like saying- Jesus is the Messiah, but He is not the Savior.

But, what should I expect from someone who openly denies the actual definition for the word "parable", in order to believe that the parable of the Richman and Lazaruth is a literal reality, 100%?
And you think that I have problems??