The Day of The Lord, Wrong Timing Applied

[Truth7t7]

In Zechariah the river was flowing towards two multitudes of people, and sticking with your interpretation the same thing is supposed to happen in the other passage, yet it says no more people.

That is why I don't make up spiritual definitions where they do not belong.

Zechariah 14 is the 1,000 year reign of Christ with two rivers and two seas. In Revelation 21 there is no more sea. There is only 1 river, not 2 rivers. There is a difference no matter how you interpret it.

Zechariah 14:8 & Revelation 22:1 represents a literal river of life in water flowing, they are parallel teachings of the eternal kingdom in the New Heaven and Earth

Revelation 21:1 "There Was No More Sea" represents there was no more multitudes of people as you have been shown several times, it speaks not one word about waters flowing as you move to distract from the clear teaching

Ezekiel 47:1-12 explains the river of life flowing from New Jerusalem in great detail, it will have fish, fishermen, and fishing nets, as the tree of life is on its bank seen in verse 12 below

Ezekiel 47:1-12, Zechariah 14:8, Revelation 22:1 are parallel teachings of the river of life flowing from New Jerusalem, it's that simple

Zechariah 14:8KJV
8 And it shall be in that day, that living waters shall go out from Jerusalem; half of them toward the former sea, and half of them toward the hinder sea: in summer and in winter shall it be.

Revelation 22:1KJV
1 And he shewed me a pure river of water of life, clear as crystal, proceeding out of the throne of God and of the Lamb.

Ezekiel 47:1-12KJV
1 Afterward he brought me again unto the door of the house; and, behold, waters issued out from under the threshold of the house eastward: for the forefront of the house stood toward the east, and the waters came down from under from the right side of the house, at the south side of the altar.
2 Then brought he me out of the way of the gate northward, and led me about the way without unto the utter gate by the way that looketh eastward; and, behold, there ran out waters on the right side.
3 And when the man that had the line in his hand went forth eastward, he measured a thousand cubits, and he brought me through the waters; the waters were to the ankles.
4 Again he measured a thousand, and brought me through the waters; the waters were to the knees. Again he measured a thousand, and brought me through; the waters were to the loins.
5 Afterward he measured a thousand; and it was a river that I could not pass over: for the waters were risen, waters to swim in, a river that could not be passed over.
6 And he said unto me, Son of man, hast thou seen this? Then he brought me, and caused me to return to the brink of the river.
7 Now when I had returned, behold, at the bank of the river were very many trees on the one side and on the other.
8 Then said he unto me, These waters issue out toward the east country, and go down into the desert, and go into the sea: which being brought forth into the sea, the waters shall be healed.
9 And it shall come to pass, that every thing that liveth, which moveth, whithersoever the rivers shall come, shall live: and there shall be a very great multitude of fish, because these waters shall come thither: for they shall be healed; and every thing shall live whither the river cometh.
10 And it shall come to pass, that the fishers shall stand upon it from Engedi even unto Eneglaim; they shall be a place to spread forth nets; their fish shall be according to their kinds, as the fish of the great sea, exceeding many.
11 But the miry places thereof and the marishes thereof shall not be healed; they shall be given to salt.
12 And by the river upon the bank thereof, on this side and on that side, shall grow all trees for meat, whose leaf shall not fade, neither shall the fruit thereof be consumed: it shall bring forth new fruit according to his months, because their waters they issued out of the sanctuary: and the fruit thereof shall be for meat, and the leaf thereof for medicine.

 

[Earburner]

Sorry, I Strongly Disagree!

Zechariah 14 is showing the "Day Of The Lord" and the "Future" Second Coming of Jesus Christ

Zechariah 14
14 Behold, the day of the Lord cometh, and thy spoil shall be divided in the midst of thee

The Day of the Lord:? In which manifestation?
Let's start off on the correct foot, by understanding that prior to the Lord's first appearance, the prophets NEW NOTHING of the times of when the prophecies would take place.
Therefore, they could NOT discern in which of three comings of Jesus' manifestations, that each of the prophecies would take place.
If you think that the OT prophecies themselves are consecutive, describing ONLY the event of the sudden return of Jesus, in all His Immortal Glory, then you are sadly mistaken and spiritually blinded.
Why?
It was ALL kept secret until Jesus first appeared.
Matt.13[17] For verily I say unto you, That many prophets and righteous men have desired to see those things which ye see, and have not seen them; and to hear those things which ye hear, and have not heard them.
Matt.13[35] That it might be fulfilled which was spoken by the prophet, saying, I will open my mouth in parables; I will utter things which have been kept secret from the foundation of the world.

And so, here we are, 2022 years since Jesus Ascended, and all that "Church-ianity" can do, is provide an historical account about Pentecost, the most wonderful Gift and Blessing from God, through His Son's sacrifice. They all should be ashamed, and indeed will be! Pentecost is the very interaction between God and man, on the personal level.

"All the world loves to hear about the historical Jesus, but very few want to learn from the Spiritual Jesus." John 16:13.

BTW, did you know that at night time, Jesus LIVED in the Mount of Olives, therefore His "feet" did "'stand" "in the wilderness nourishing His disciples".
Rev.12[6] And the woman fled into the wilderness, where she hath a place prepared of God, that they should feed her there a thousand two hundred and threescore days.

 

[Truth7t7]

The Day of the Lord:? In which manifestation?
Let's start off on the correct foot, by understanding that prior to the Lord's first appearance, the prophets NEW NOTHING of the times of when the prophecies would take place.
Therefore, they could NOT discern in which of three comings of Jesus' manifestations, that each of the prophecies would take place.
If you think that the OT prophecies themselves are consecutive, describing ONLY the event of the sudden return of Jesus, in all His Immortal Glory, then you are sadly mistaken and spiritually blinded.
Why?
It was ALL kept secret until Jesus first appeared.
Matt.13[17] For verily I say unto you, That many prophets and righteous men have desired to see those things which ye see, and have not seen them; and to hear those things which ye hear, and have not heard them.
Matt.13[35] That it might be fulfilled which was spoken by the prophet, saying, I will open my mouth in parables; I will utter things which have been kept secret from the foundation of the world.

And so, hear we are, 2022 years since Jesus Ascended, and all that "Church-ianity" can do, is provide an historical account about Pentecost, the most wonderful Gift and Blessing from God, through His Son's sacrifice. They all should be ashamed, and indeed will be! Pentecost is the very interaction between God and man, on the personal level.

"All the world loves to hear about the historical Jesus, but very few want to learn from the Spiritual Jesus." John 16:13.

BTW, did you know that at night time, Jesus LIVED in the Mount of Olives, therefore His "feet" did "'stand" "in the wilderness nourishing His disciples".
Rev.12[6] And the woman fled into the wilderness, where she hath a place prepared of God, that they should feed her there a thousand two hundred and threescore days.

It's my observation that you believe the Revelation has been fulfilled, correct me if I'm wrong?

I Strongly disagree with your symbolic allegory replacing that which will be future literal, too many instances to mention

Your analogy of Revelation 12:6 in Jesus being in the wilderness Mt Olivet feeding the woman in fulfillment is a "Big Smile"!

Scripture teaches the woman will be fed in the wilderness of Bashan, Gilead, and Carmel, future unfulfilled, not on Mt Olivet as you believe and teach

Micah 7:14KJV
14 Feed thy people with thy rod, the flock of thine heritage, which dwell solitarily in the wood, in the midst of Carmel: let them feed in Bashan and Gilead, as in the days of old.

 

[Earburner]

Then God came way more than 3 times.

Correct. I wasn't hearing how you were meaning more than three times, in your previous post.
1. He manifested Himself to Israel, in the likeness of our mortal flesh, through Jesus.
2. He is NOW manifesting Himself to those who come to His Son through faith, by His Spirit.
3. He will be fully manifested to all the world, in the Glory of His Immortality, in flaming fire.

 

[Earburner]

It's my observation that you believe the Revelation has been fulfilled, correct me if I'm wrong?

No! I do not believe all of Revelation is fulfilled.
God thinks in the past, present and the future, all at the same time. He spoke that way through the OT prophets, as well as through John.

None of the OT prophets could discern what or when God's prophetic thoughts would be fulfilled. They had NO IDEA about His three manifestations through Jesus, therefore their writings can sound like it is going to be one big event.

Every day, Revelation is being fulfilled incrementally, in this Age of God's Grace. Only God the Father knows how long it will be when it's all fulfilled.
However, I can say this: when no more people come to Him in repentance through Jesus then shall the end come suddenly. I perceive that the mark of the Beast will bring that about.

Today, some of Revelation is already fulfilled, and is spiritually revealed through symbolism, as well historically

 

[Truth7t7]

Today, some of Revelation is already fulfilled, and is spiritually revealed through symbolism, as well historically

It appears you follow reformed eschatology in "Historicism"?

They believe in symbolic and historical fulfillment as you state above?

 

[Earburner]

You already pointed out you do not accept the Holy Spirit is the third person of the Trinity.

I accept the Holy Spirit as being both God the Father and God the Son, together, being God is One.
However I suppose that you do expect that all professing Christians should conform to the Catholic religious view of the orthodox concept of a Trinity, whereby between God the Father and the Son, They Created another, additional form of God.
Okay, if you say so, but Jesus Himself explained it plainly and simply, that both He and His Father would come to make Their abode within us.
To believe in "the trinity" doesn't discern if one is a Christian or not.

 

[Davy]

For all of your posts above, that you recently wrote:
Then you are clueless and beside yourself, as to how to explain KJV Zechariah 14:6-8, through the filter of the false "pre-mil" doctrine, of which helps you to fabricate everything for all of your mis-understanding.

I KEEP to God's Word AS WRITTEN, and The Holy Spirit is MY FILTER!

The filter you use is MAN'S FILTERS, allegorizing The Word of God until it is unrecognizable! That means MEN'S WORD is more important to you than God's Word, and it is very easy for others to see that with what you say.

The reality is that the Amillennialist doctrine of MEN that you follow actually FABRICATES allegories HIDING THE WORD OF GOD. And you are too Biblically ignorant to realize it, or if not, then you have an agenda to deceive brethren, on purpose, and are in danger.

 

[Davy]

You have been shown several times that Jesus returns in fire and final judgment, "Dissolving" this earth by fire

And you HAVE BEEN SHOWN SEVERAL TIMES that when Jesus comes, God's consuming fire will burn the works of this world off the SURFACE OF THIS EARTH, and NOT totally destroy the earth. This is FACT because Jesus is COMING BACK TO THIS EARTH TO REIGN, with His elect, AS WRITTEN.

Stick to Bible Scripture as written, and quit playing men's silly games with His Word.

 

[Davy]

Dodging and weaving my question for you to explain Zechariah 14:6-8, is not helping to display your knowledge about it.

I showed what Zechariah 14 says, and that Scripture is actually VERY SIMPLE to understand, as it happens AS WRITTEN. We don't need no SPECIAL INSTRUCTION from men's doctrines about it, especially when those doctrines from men go DIRECTLY AGAINST what is written there, and that is what you follow!

 

[Davy]

Zechariah 4:6 and John 16:13 is my complete answer. Can you go it alone with Jesus as your only "guide", or do you still depend on the wisdom of men? 1 Corinthians 2:5.
So far, you are revealing the latter.

You are still asking ignorant questions away from the actual written Scripture, I see.

 

[Earburner]

It appears you follow reformed eschatology in "Historicism"?

They believe in symbolic and historical fulfillment as you state above?

In prophetic time, this world is incrementally approaching the Day, of when Jesus appears the third and final time from Heaven, in all His fiery and Immortal Glory. Spiritually, by the authority of God, and not the wisdom of men, we can historically account for those prophetic events that are indicated to us, that shall build upto those "things which must shortly come to pass".
Rev.1[1] The Revelation of Jesus Christ, which God gave unto him, to shew unto his servants things which must shortly come to pass [G5034-guickly in haste]; and he sent and signified [G4951-indicated] it by his angel unto his servant John.
> Iows, when the Lord returns in all His Glory from Heaven, He will make a short work on the earth.
Romans 9:23-28
[28] For he will finish the work, [of God's Age of Grace] and cut it short in [His] righteousness: because a short work will the Lord make upon the earth [upon His final return in Glory].

Prior to that Day, we have been experiencing the time of "sorrows", which are heralding the FINAL Day of Christ's Glorious return:
Matthew 24[7] For nation shall rise against nation, and kingdom against kingdom: and there shall be famines, and pestilences, and earthquakes, in divers places.
[8] All these are the beginning of sorrows.

> For that which is to shortly come to pass, that begins here:
[9] Then shall they deliver you up to be afflicted, and shall kill you: and ye shall be hated of all nations for my name's sake.

 

[Davy]

In prophetic time, this world is incrementally approaching the Day, of when Jesus appears the third and final time from Heaven, ...

Jesus has only 2 advents, the 1st one to die on the cross, and the 2nd one is His still future coming on the last day of this world. You need to stop teaching falseness.

 

[Davy]

Zechariah 14:8 & Revelation 22:1 represents a literal river of life in water flowing, they are parallel teachings of the eternal kingdom in the New Heaven and Earth

Actually not correct.

1. The Tree of Life is shown existing still when the wicked are outside the gates of the holy city, per Revelation 22:14-15. The Tree of Life exists WITH God's River of the waters of life. Ezekiel 47 shows those waters emitting out from the MILLENNIAL SANCTUARY with the many trees bearing their fruits on either side of that River.

2. Those waters of Zechariah 14 is the SAME TIMING as those Revelation 22:14-15 verses about the wicked STILL existing AFTER Christ's future return.

3. If Zechariah 14 with the day of Christ's future return is about the future new heavens and a new earth timing, then the wicked leftovers that came against Jerusalem per Zechariah 14:16 SHOULD NOT EXIST. Yet, there they are, being made to come up to Jerusalem and worship The KING, The LORD of hosts, and keep the feast of tabernacles.

4. Jesus also showed in Revelation 3:9 to the Church of Philadelphia, that He will made those of His enemies, the "synagogue of Satan", to come worship Him at their feet, which will ONLY happen in Christ's future "thousand years" of Revelation 20.

All those future events reveal CHRIST'S FUTURE THOUSAND YEARS REIGN AS FACT.

 

[Davy]

Yes a denial of the simple fact that the "River Of Life" is seen flowing from Jerusalem, yes this is the "Eternal Kingdom"!

Zechariah 14:8KJV
8 And it shall be in that day, that living waters shall go out from Jerusalem; half of them toward the former sea, and half of them toward the hinder sea: in summer and in winter shall it be.

NO, that is NOT new heavens and a new earth timing. Not yet.

That River will exist DURING the time when the wicked are still existing...

Zech 14:16-18
16 And it shall come to pass, that every one that is left of all the nations which came against Jerusalem shall even go up from year to year to worship the King, the LORD of hosts, and to keep the feast of tabernacles.

17 And it shall be, that whoso will not come up of all the families of the earth unto Jerusalem to worship the King, the LORD of hosts, even upon them shall be no rain.

18 And if the family of Egypt go not up, and come not, that have no rain; there shall be the plague, wherewith the LORD will smite the heathen that come not up to keep the feast of tabernacles.
KJV


Rev 22:14-15
14 Blessed are they that do His commandments, that they may have right to the tree of life, and may enter in through the gates into the city.
15 For without are dogs, and sorcerers, and whoremongers, and murderers, and idolaters, and whosoever loveth and maketh a lie.
KJV

 

[Earburner]

You are still asking ignorant questions away from the actual written Scripture, I see.

No, what I am suggesting for you to do, is to not lean on your own understanding, of which has been corrupted and imposed upon you by the "orthodoxy" of the visible churches. Remember, within the visible churches, there are both wheat and tares. The tares love their denominational "religion", and always rise to the occasion to speak through it, aka the doctrines of men.

 

[Davy]

No, what I am suggesting for you to do, is to not lean on your own understanding, of which has been corrupted and imposed upon you by the "orthodoxy" of the visible churches. Remember, within the visible churches, there both wheat and tares. The tares love their denominational "religion", and always rise to the occasion to speak through it, aka the doctrines of men.

YOU are the one leaning on MAN'S philosophical allegorizing like Origen who got excommunicated from The Church for it. You do NOT interpret from the actual Bible Scripture as written, but follow MEN'S DOCTRINES and from their WAY of thinking, you make up YOUR OWN ideas OUTSIDE Scripture.

I do... rely on The Word of God AS WRITTEN, thus you are bearing FALSE WITNESS.

 

[Earburner]

Jesus has only 2 advents, the 1st one to die on the cross, and the 2nd one is His still future coming on the last day of this world. You need to stop teaching falseness.

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"Advent" is a Religious term, of which has isolated and caused the churches to over look and ignore the very real and truthful reality, that Jesus STILL IS COMING TO US EACH by His Spirit, to give us God's Gift of Eternal Life now. 1 John 5:12-13.

All we are waiting for, is for Him to come the third and final time, to "change" us into the likeness of His immortality.

Until He comes for all of us in the visible Glory of His Immortality, Paul on the road to Damascus is the living example. Jesus manifested Himself to him
John 14[21] He that hath my commandments, and keepeth them, he it is that loveth me: and he that loveth me shall be loved of my Father, and I will love him, and will manifest myself to him.
See Revelation 3:20

You need to leave religious orthodoxy, and explicitly trust in the Lord Himself to "guide you" into ALL truth.

 

[Earburner]

YOU are the one leaning on MAN'S philosophical allegorizing like Origen who got excommunicated from The Church for it. You do NOT interpret from the actual Bible Scripture as written, but follow MEN'S DOCTRINES and from their WAY of thinking, you make up YOUR OWN ideas OUTSIDE Scripture.

I do... rely on The Word of God AS WRITTEN, thus you are bearing FALSE WITNESS.

I rely on the literal words of God, as they are written also, but with God's meaning according to "the mind of Christ" within me.
Most of the churches today, still are attempting to understand Him through "the natural man/mind" of their flesh. Religion knows of no other way.
Isaiah 55:8-9, Zechariah 4:6, John 16:13.

 

[Earburner]

Jesus has only 2 advents, the 1st one to die on the cross, and the 2nd one is His still future coming on the last day of this world. You need to stop teaching falseness.

So, you don't need the Gift of God's Eternal Life??
When did you think that you shall receive it? Upon His Glorious return in flaming fire?
If you read the parable of the Ten Virgins, you will find that you would be too LATE.
Edit: Romans 8:9