Who Created or Made a Sin Nature?
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Yes, and quite astounding that they could all be in perfect harmony, with not even a hint of disagreement, let alone contradiction. It is as if they were even the same person. Or maybe ~ just maybe ~ there really was one Author... one unchanging Being, Who, you know, breathed His Word into all of them... :)
Grace and peace to you.
Some people just don't get it even when a scripture is pointed at them. In this case 2 Peter 1:21. Go figure.
To God Be The Glory
When someone is teaching false doctrine, after a while the more crazy things they believe will come through.
In this case, someone believes the lie of being created and taken from the womb by Christ by sin and to sin against God, and now they must come up innocent babes, who have done no sin, burning in hell. And so now they come up with being saved or damned in eternity past. The babes that go to hell were preselected and made for it.
This of course is more Calvin predestination rubbish. They don't mind preaching Christ creates sinners in the womb destined for hell, so long as they are one of those sinners destined for heaven.
At this point we realize we aren't dealing with serious people. They are the same kind that deny free will, and don't take responsibility for their actions in life, because they aren't judged for what they do, because they are 'preselected' for heaven.
You hit the point of the matter that Scripture teaches: sin is not some nature in our skin and bones we are born with, nor some spirit in the air breathe into our lungs, but is a deed and act in word or tongue. Sin and righteousness are spiritual in nature, in that they begin within the heart, whether to desire to do thy will O God, or to lust for sinning against Him, even as Lucifer first did:
How art thou fallen from heaven, O Lucifer, son of the morning! how art thou cut down to the ground, which didst weaken the nations!
For thou hast said in thine heart, I will ascend into heaven, I will exalt my throne above the stars of God: I will sit also upon the mount of the congregation, in the sides of the north.
Thou wast perfect in thy ways from the day that thou wast created, till iniquity was found in thee.
Whether angels or men, sinning is a conscience act on our part beginning spiritually in the heart. The only difference between angels and men, is that men are created a little lower than the angels, as babes born with mortal bodies.
Both angels and men are created alive and clean of conscience by Christ, and also with power to choose good or evil. Angels are created without age nor childhood like men, where their is a pure time of no conscious thinking. This is why babes and cubs act the same by nature, neither sinful nor righteous, just babes and cubs.
The problem with humanist thinking applied to the things of God, is they begin to define what is sin and righteousness, rather than letting God do so. They say the 'sin nature' is shown by letting two toddlers into the same playpen with toys. The thing of course is that competition is not a sin. Now if one of those toddlers started cursing out the other, then of course we hear sinning itself.
But of course, as you say, babies neither know nor speak, whether sinfully nor righteously.
I hope no one believes that nonsense. Calvin haters do themselves an amazing disservice by hating Calvinism,implying people they disagree with are Calvinists when they're not, and especially bad is when such haters demonstrate they know nothing about Calvinism.
What qualifies people for that accusation apparently is someone disagrees with a person's theology, and that makes them Calvinist.
I... think what I said was very clear and very unambiguous. :)
Grace and peace to you, Blue Dragonfly.
I have found there are sects within sects, such as OSAS and Calvinism. There are more undiluted versions of it, that the moderates like to think they don't agree with it.
And so they act like they have no clue what someone is stalking about when rebuking it.
It's not hard to understand that if someone believes: 1. All babies are born sinners born to sin from the womb. 2. Only those presaved before the foundation of the world go to heaven.
Then they are teaching: 1. All babies are born children of the devil with the devil for their father. 2. All babies not preselected and made for heaven go to hell, whether in the womb or from the womb.
Those who believe being born with sin nature and Calvinist preselection of souls, may not like to hear it this way, because it is not dressed up in pseudo-Scripture speak and theological concept words, like 'predestination' For Calvinists and 'irrevocable' for OSAS.
I have nothing personal against Calvin, because from what I read of him, he was an all-out hellfire preacher of holiness against any sinning by the saints.
It's just his rotted doctrine of predestination of souls, that has led to the completely degenerate modern OSAS.
If Calvin were preaching to his doctrinal offspring today, they would be howling at him with spit-fire and enraged condemnation of preaching self-righteous, grace-hating, proudly puffed up doing righteousness at all times. Without also providing necessary wiggle room for sinning daily too.
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Post a link to Calvanist doctrine that states what you claim about babies.
Post a link where Jesus said he will lose those the Father gives him because God's grace filled gift of faith and salvation are revocable.
Right. Calvin never suggests (so, nor do Calvinists suggest) such a thing as Robert suggests above. His characterization is demagoguery. In a real sense, people inevitably condemn themselves because of the state they are in from conception, which is a result of the Fall. But God has mercy on whom He will have mercy, compassion on whom He will have compassion. So, for those on Jesus's left at the Judgment, they remain condemned by exclusion from God's mercy and compassion ~ which is the condition deserved by all, but by God's grace spared of some, those on His right (Matthew 25:31-46).
Grace and peace to all.
I'm speaking of the combination of Calvin's preselection of souls combined with the other heresy of being born with sin nature of the devil.
Ahh, nicely done. The super enhanced version of OSAS' premier theological concept term 'irrevocable'.
I do love it when you guys talk that way. It's just so theologically exciting. This one's good for the ol' OSAS hopper.
OSAS preaches jelly-filled donuts with plenty of room for sin sprinkles on top.
LOL! Yes, I say so. :) So what was unclear or ambiguous to you, Blue Dragonfly?
Grace and peace to you.
Nothing. I know it is not harmonious or non-contradiction. Men are not perfect,harmonious,or non-contradiction.
2 Samuel 23:8
Compare 1 Chronicles 11:11
Acts 9:7
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