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Suffering is the only remedy for sin!

1 pet 4:1 Forasmuch then as Christ hath suffered for us in the flesh, arm yourselves likewise with the same mind: for he that hath suffered in the flesh hath ceased from sin;

Matthew 10:38
And he that taketh not his cross, and followeth after me, is not worthy of me.

Matthew 16:24
Then said Jesus unto his disciples, If any man will come after me, let him deny himself, and take up his cross, and follow me.

Romans 5:3
And not only so, but we glory in tribulations also: knowing that tribulation worketh patience;

Romans 5:4
And patience, experience; and experience, hope:

Romans 8:17
And if children, then heirs; heirs of God, and joint-heirs with Christ; if so be that we suffer with him, that we may be also glorified together.

2 Corinthians 12:9
And he said unto me, My grace is sufficient for thee: for my strength is made perfect in weakness. Most gladly therefore will I rather glory in my infirmities, that the power of Christ may rest upon me.

2 Thessalonians 1:5
Which is a manifest token of the righteous judgment of God, that ye may be counted worthy of the kingdom of God, for which ye also suffer:

Colossians 1:11
Strengthened with all might, according to his glorious power, unto all patience and longsuffering with joyfulness;

2 Tim 2:3 Thou therefore endure hardness, as a good soldier of Jesus Christ.

2 Timothy 2:12
If we suffer, we shall also reign with him: if we deny him, he also will deny us:

Phil 1:29
For unto you it is given in the behalf of Christ, not only to believe on him, but also to suffer for his sake;

James 1:2-8
My brethren, count it all joy when ye fall into divers temptations; Knowing this, that the trying of your faith worketh patience. But let patience have her perfect work, that ye may be perfect and entire, wanting nothing

Hebrews 6:12
That ye be not slothful, but followers of them who through faith and patience inherit the promises.

Hebrews 10:36
For ye have need of patience, that, after ye have done the will of God, ye might receive the promise.

Hebrews 12:4
Ye have not yet resisted unto blood, striving against sin.

1 Peter 2:20
For what glory is it, if, when ye be buffeted for your faults, ye shall take it patiently? but if, when ye do well, and suffer for it, ye take it patiently, this is acceptable with God.

Romans 8:17
And if children, then heirs; heirs of God, and joint-heirs with Christ; if so be that we suffer with him, that we may be also glorified together.

2 Timothy 2:12
If we suffer, we shall also reign with him: if we deny him, he also will deny us:

(Makes you wonder why healing ministries are so popular)
 

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SHURF (see the parable of the sower) is the remedy for sin.
 

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What about suffering? Phil 1:29 is not a suggestion

Our suffering is light - almost as nothing - compared with the suffering of the martyrs.

What is the worst that you have suffered for your faith?
 
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What about suffering? Phil 1:29 is not a suggestion

There is a very big difference between the belief that ones salvation needs one to suffer and the fact that Christians often suffer because they are Christian.

Every verse you have quoted supports the later idea.

1 Peter:17 For it is better, if it is God’s will, to suffer for doing good than for doing evil. 18 For Christ also suffered once for sins, the righteous for the unrighteous, to bring you to God.

As it say we suffer because of our action/faith, only Jesus suffered to forgive sins.
 
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Suffering is the only remedy for sin!

Suffering is not the remedy for your sinning.
Suffering is the end result
"be not deceived, your sin will FIND YOU OUT", = and it's going to hurt.

Q. ) why go through that as a Christian,....> as that is the LIFE of an UNBELIEVER.

A.) God didn't create Salvation so that you can sin and suffer for it, as that is the LIFE OF AN UNBELIEVER.
What good is that?
NONE !!

So, obviously, if you are sinning and suffering, thinking that is "Christianity", then the Devil is happy with your backwards concept of God's Mercy and the Cross of Christ, as the GRACE OF GOD.
 
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There is a very big difference between the belief that ones salvation needs one to suffer and the fact that Christians often suffer because they are Christian.

Every verse you have quoted supports the later idea.

1 Peter:17 For it is better, if it is God’s will, to suffer for doing good than for doing evil. 18 For Christ also suffered once for sins, the righteous for the unrighteous, to bring you to God.

As it say we suffer because of our action/faith, only Jesus suffered to forgive sins.

Explain Phil 1:29
 

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Explain Phil 1:29


That verse you quoted is aimed at the Apostles.
They all died as martyr's, murdered, except for John, and the NT does not make clear how He died.
So, your verse is specific to THEM..
Paul refers to this early church age Apostolic Suffering as....

""""Now I rejoice in what I am suffering for you, and I fill up in my flesh what is still lacking in regard to Christ’s afflictions, for the sake of his body, which is the church."""""

Did you notice that Paul said HE did that........."I" fill up.... 'I am suffering for you".

That is not all believers.
That is very specific to those 1st Apostles..


Now, regarding the born again...



Jesus said..

"""""These things I have spoken unto you, that in me ye might have peace. In the world ye shall have tribulation: but be of good cheer; I have overcome the world."""""

What type of Tribulation?
Its what happens to you when you take a stand for the Truth of the Gospel of the Grace of God.
Its what happens in this world to you, when you choose to not be of it and live above it.
 

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There is a very big difference between the belief that ones salvation needs one to suffer and the fact that Christians often suffer because they are Christian.

Every verse you have quoted supports the later idea.

1 Peter:17 For it is better, if it is God’s will, to suffer for doing good than for doing evil. 18 For Christ also suffered once for sins, the righteous for the unrighteous, to bring you to God.

As it say we suffer because of our action/faith, only Jesus suffered to forgive sins.

Worship

Adoration: rev 7-12
Propitiatory reparation: Jn 1:29 rom 3:25
1 Jn 2:2 1 Jn 4:10
Thanksgiving: Phil 4:6
Petition: Phil 4:6

Spirit and truth:

John 4:24
God is a Spirit: and they that worship him must worship him in spirit and in truth.


Lamb of God:

John 1:29
The next day John seeth Jesus coming unto him, and saith, Behold the Lamb of God, which taketh away the sin of the world.

1 cor 5:7 …For even Christ our passover is sacrificed for us:

8 Therefore let us keep the feast, not with old leaven, neither with the leaven of malice and wickedness; but with the unleavened bread of sincerity and truth.

Christ is Eternal priest:

Heb 7:17 For he testifieth, Thou art a priest for ever after the order of Melchisedec.

Christ is High priest:

Heb 7:1 Now of the things which we have spoken this is the sum: We have such an high priest, who is set on the right hand of the throne of the Majesty in the heavens;

Low priests / priesthood:

There must be low priests in the same order for a high priest to be over them. And the word in scripture “priesthood” is plural.

The holy sacrifice of Christ:

Holy sacrifice of Christ is offered eternally, the office of a priest is to offer sacrifice, Christ is eternal priest so He offers an eternal sacrifice! Both by the high priest and the low priesthood.

once for all:

once bloody on the cross and for all time unbloody sacrifice, pure offering or clean oblation.

Jesus Christ at the last supper ordained the apostles as priests in the order of melchisedec, to offer His eternal sacrifice as he commanded them; do this in memory of me.

Do this in remembrance of me!

Luke 22:19
And he took bread, and gave thanks, and brake it, and gave unto them, saying, This is my body which is given for you: this do in remembrance of me.

1 Corinthians 11:24
And when he had given thanks, he brake it, and said, Take, eat: this is my body, which is broken for you: this do in remembrance of me.

1 Corinthians 11:25
After the same manner also he took the cup, when he had supped, saying, this cup is the new testament in my blood: this do ye, as oft as ye drink it, in remembrance of me.

Malachi 1:11

For from the rising of the sun even unto the going down of the same my name shall be great among the Gentiles; and in every place incense shall be offered unto my name, and a pure offering: for my name shall be great among the heathen, saith the Lord of hosts.

A pure offering:
A Clean oblation:
An Unbloody sacrifice:


New covenant Temple: the body of Christ! Jn 2:19
Ark of the new covenant: Lk 1:35
New covenant Sacrifice of Christ:
Acts 20:28 Eph 2:13 heb 9
heb 10:19
Priesthood of Christ: heb 7:17

Worship requires intent!

Incense and traditional organ music are not required but are good!
 

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Suffering is not the remedy for your sinning.
Suffering is the end result
"be not deceived, your sin will FIND YOU OUT", = and it's going to hurt.

Q. ) why go through that as a Christian,....> as that is the LIFE of an UNBELIEVER.

A.) God didn't create Salvation so that you can sin and suffer for it, as that is the LIFE OF AN UNBELIEVER.
What good is that?
NONE !!

So, obviously, if you are sinning and suffering, thinking that is "Christianity", then the Devil is happy with your backwards concept of God's Mercy and the Cross of Christ, as the GRACE OF GOD.

I never said to sin!

I said suffering is the remedy for sin, it eliminates sin as the scripture says:

1 pet 4:1 Forasmuch then as Christ hath suffered for us in the flesh, arm yourselves likewise with the same mind: for he that hath suffered in the flesh hath ceased from sin;

And Christians are “called” to suffer:

2 Timothy 2:12
If we suffer, we shall also reign with him: if we deny him, he also will deny us:

Phil 1:29
For unto you it is given in the behalf of Christ, not only to believe on him, but also to suffer for his sake;
 

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That verse you quoted is aimed at the Apostles.
They all died as martyr's, murdered, except for John, and the NT does not make clear how He died.
So, your verse is specific to THEM..
Paul refers to this early church age Apostolic Suffering as....

""""Now I rejoice in what I am suffering for you, and I fill up in my flesh what is still lacking in regard to Christ’s afflictions, for the sake of his body, which is the church."""""

Did you notice that Paul said HE did that........."I" fill up.... 'I am suffering for you".

That is not all believers.
That is very specific to those 1st Apostles..


Now, regarding the born again...



Jesus said..

"""""These things I have spoken unto you, that in me ye might have peace. In the world ye shall have tribulation: but be of good cheer; I have overcome the world."""""

What type of Tribulation?
Its what happens to you when you take a stand for the Truth of the Gospel of the Grace of God.
Its what happens in this world to you, when you choose to not be of it and live above it.

phil 1:1 Paul and Timotheus, the servants of Jesus Christ, to all the saints in Christ Jesus which are at Philippi, with the bishops and deacons

all the saints are called to suffer for Christ’s sake!
 

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Yes Jesus offered that sacrifice Once for All.

once for all means something
Once bloody on the cross
But his sacrifice is eternal
For the office of a priest is to offer sacrifice and Christ is eternal priest heb 7:17
17 For he testifieth, Thou art a priest for ever after the order of Melchisedec.

and high priest heb 9:11 so there must be low priest of the same order offering the same sacrifice

Mal 1:11 For from the rising of the sun even unto the going down of the same my name shall be great among the Gentiles; and in every place incense shall be offered unto my name, and a pure offering: for my name shall be great among the heathen, saith the Lord of hosts.
 

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Sins remedy is SALVATION offered by God through the Lambs final sacrifice of himself for our PENALTY of sin, which is DEATH !
2 Corinthians5:21( cxt 19-21 )

John 8:32-35 ( cxt )
............Whosoever committeth sin is the servant of sin.

Ye cannot serve two masters or else you will love the one and hate the other. Matthew 6:22-25 ( cxt )

Romans 6:4-7 ( cxt )
Knowing this, that our old man is CRUCIFIED WITH HIM, that the body of sin might be destroyed, that henceforth we should NOT SERVE SIN.
 
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Suffering is the only remedy for sin!

Christ's Suffering is the payment for all sin, as Jesus "is the one time Eternal Sacrifice for SIN".
There is no other "remedy".

Not Water.
Not the Pope.
Not Mary.
Not trying to keep commandments.
Not trying to "be like Christ".
Not trying to "endure to the end" of the Tribulation.