Thoughts on this paper? The overestimation of the uneducated when disagreeing with actual experts.

[Skovand1075]

Overconfidence and Opposition to Scientific Consensus - NeuroLogica Blog

Often times you’ll find people who reject the wisdom of experts. They fool themselves into thinking they are wise, but they are fools. Any thoughts?

 

[Matthias]

Dr. Fauci.

 

[Enoch111]

Often times you’ll find people who reject the wisdom of experts. They fool themselves into thinking they are wise, but they are fools. Any thoughts?

The real fools are the experts. So far all their proposals in all areas of life have been simply stupid. For example how do you reduce inflation by increasing inflation? But the experts are telling you that the more you create inflation the more you reduce it. The more you print paper dollars and the more you simply give them away, the less will be the inflation. That is expert stupidity. Also, the more you inject bogus vaccines, the more will be the kill rate, so keep on killing people. This is criminal stupidity.

 

[DanielConway]

Enoch111, I would like to gently suggest that you rethink your take on professional experts opinion.

Proverbs 22:29

Do you see a man who excels in his work?
He will stand before kings;
He will not stand before unknown men.

God's word clearly teaches that expert's in their respective fields deserve a place advising authority and that it would be well to heed them, right alongside warning against disregarding the warnings of said experts, as well as the near futility on the part of the expert to reach the ears of the ignorant cynic.

Proverbs 9:7-9

7 Whoever corrects a mocker invites insults;
whoever rebukes the wicked incurs abuse.
8 Do not rebuke mockers or they will hate you;
rebuke the wise and they will love you.
9 Instruct the wise and they will be wiser still;
teach the righteous and they will add to their learning.

The question then becomes, how does an individual know if they have the equipment to discern a "word to the wise" from unsound council?

Proverbs 9:10

10 “The fear of the Lord is the beginning of wisdom,
And the knowledge of the Holy One is understanding.

If you are angry about things and unsure of who to listen to, seek the Lord first as he presents himself, the avenging savior to whom alone belongs vengence, and the Great Councilor who advises the limited on how to survive and who to listen to. And as a final kicker to assure you that God WILL reach you with good books and smarts whatever your current circumstance, check:

James 1:

2 My brethren, count it all joy when you fall into various trials, 3 knowing that the testing of your faith produces [a]patience. 4 But let patience have its perfect work, that you may be https://biblehub.com/nkjv/james/1.htm#footnotesperfect and complete, lacking nothing. 5 If any of you lacks wisdom, let him ask of God, who gives to all liberally and without reproach, and it will be given to him.

 

[Enoch111]

Enoch111, I would like to gently suggest that you rethink your take on professional experts opinion.

Please give us just one example of when the "professional experts" have actually made a wise recommendation that was beneficial. Do you recall when the "experts" claimed that butter was bad for you and margarine was good for you? Well guess what? That was just poppycock. Here's what Harvard Medical School now says: "The truth is, there never was any good evidence that using margarine instead of butter cut the chances of having a heart attack or developing heart disease. Making the switch was a well-intentioned guess, given that margarine had less saturated fat than butter, but it overlooked the dangers of trans fats.

 

[Stan B]

Enoch111, I would like to gently suggest that you rethink your take on professional experts opinion.


God's word clearly teaches that expert's in their respective fields deserve a place advising authority and that it would be well to heed them, right alongside warning against disregarding the warnings of said experts, as well as the near futility on the part of the expert to reach the ears of the ignorant cynic.

No such admonition is contained in my Bible. Lesson learned for buying a Bible that was on sale.

 

[Blue Dragonfly's]

Overconfidence and Opposition to Scientific Consensus - NeuroLogica Blog

Often times you’ll find people who reject the wisdom of experts. They fool themselves into thinking they are wise, but they are fools. Any thoughts?

Your profile pic.
Why are you wearing a magic psychedelic mushroom on your head?

 

[Grailhunter]

Please give us just one example of when the "professional experts" have actually made a wise recommendation that was beneficial. Do you recall when the "experts" claimed that butter was bad for you and margarine was good for you? Well guess what? That was just poppycock. Here's what Harvard Medical School now says: "The truth is, there never was any good evidence that using margarine instead of butter cut the chances of having a heart attack or developing heart disease. Making the switch was a well-intentioned guess, given that margarine had less saturated fat than butter, but it overlooked the dangers of trans fats.

Ahhh! That would be easy....Please give us just one example of when the "professional experts" have actually made a wise recommendation that was beneficial. Thousands of examples..... Maybe you are thinking of a category?

It is an interesting topic and I could go on and on about it.....You are talking to the right guy.....LOL....Worked with geniuses and kept up with them. Not a scientist, but I had to be knowledgeable enough on several topics to work with the scientists that were connected to defense contractors. It does not matter if it Quantum Sciences, Astro Physics, or even medical.

 

[DanielConway]

Well Enoch111, it was the experts who gave us Penicillin, and before that the various sulfas. It was the experts like Ford, a self made expert, who gave us the automobile. Designing and building the interstate highway system was the decision of experts, most notably Dwight D. Eisenhower, look it up if you don't see what a military great from the past War has to do with a great road system. The Manhattan project was initiated and brought to a fruitful success by experts, some pretty brainy haired ones at that. Your Bible requires a very special kind of expert, a dog's pack of christian scholars versed in three or four ancient and dead tongues to translate it into English. I think the reason we are not seeing great expertise in action right now is that the problems the country is confronting right now are petty and annoying, and I think that tends to put people who may not themselves be petty and annoying but are forced to be in the position of dwelling on these relatively small issues preoccupied with this stuff, and that makes for stinky government.

 

[DanielConway]

Stan B., you may have a book that only includes the gospels and the psalms. I have seen such publications in the past and they are nice, but they are incomplete. If you want to grow in this belief you need a complete verse.

 

[Prim]

Overconfidence and Opposition to Scientific Consensus - NeuroLogica Blog

Often times you’ll find people who reject the wisdom of experts. They fool themselves into thinking they are wise, but they are fools. Any thoughts?

Slovand the experts often get it wrong and very much so in spiritual matters. More so in questioning the authority and authenticity of the bible. Sadly our seminary’s seem to be full of these experts that know better than God. Amateurs built the Ark. Expert’s built the Titanic

 

[Blue Dragonfly's]

Well Enoch111, it was the experts who gave us Penicillin, and before that the various sulfas. It was the experts like Ford, a self made expert, who gave us the automobile. Designing and building the interstate highway system was the decision of experts, most notably Dwight D. Eisenhower, look it up if you don't see what a military great from the past War has to do with a great road system. The Manhattan project was initiated and brought to a fruitful success by experts, some pretty brainy haired ones at that. Your Bible requires a very special kind of expert, a dog's pack of christian scholars versed in three or four ancient and dead tongues to translate it into English. I think the reason we are not seeing great expertise in action right now is that the problems the country is confronting right now are petty and annoying, and I think that tends to put people who may not themselves be petty and annoying but are forced to be in the position of dwelling on these relatively small issues preoccupied with this stuff, and that makes for stinky government.

Just a few points.
Penicillin was not invented by an expert. It came about as a mistake in another experiment. It also wasn't discovered by Louis Pasteur.
It was discovered as mold growing in a Petri dish in 1928 by Alexander Fleming.

Henry Ford is credited with inventing the car and the assembly line. He did neither. Though he did better the assembly line manufacture of his cars.

In point of fact the inventor of the car was a German. Karl Benz. Of Mercedes Benz.

And lastly Dwight D. Eisenhower was not an engineer. He was the American president.
He did not invent the Interstate highway system. Rather, he signed the Federal-Aid Highway Act of 1956 that insured 41,000 miles of interstate road systems could begin being constructed.

 

[DanielConway]

Welllll, you can tripe around the edges about penicilin, it took an expert regardless of whether the discovery was part of the initial experiment or not to note that every other bacterial growth in the dish was being destroyed by the outside factor, yes? I did not say Henry Ford invented the automobile, I am aware that the first practical ones were of German origin, but they were playthings of the rich, Henry Ford brought them to us, the masses, by stripping them down to bare essentials and mass producing them. And you are grossly underestimating the motive force of General Eisenhower behind the interstate highway system. To elucidate a bit on his motive, during the years between the Wars the army conducted a test to see how fast it could get the forces from one end of the country (the East) to the other (the West). It was a mudboggled purshtha that Eisenhower did not forget during the second War, especially when he noted how fast the Nazi's could redeploy their wherforces on their autobahns and railways. When the mess was over Eisenhower strongly creened for an interstate road system in the US that was a match for the German autobahn and had the armed services absolutely forbid letting the US rail system atrophy when demand for passenger rail service began to taper off.

 

[Skovand1075]

Your profile pic.
Why are you wearing a magic psychedelic mushroom on your head?

Because it fit.

 

[Skovand1075]

Its incredibly amusing, and really proves the point of the post, that some actually believe experts are useless. Lol.

 

[Blue Dragonfly's]

Its incredibly amusing, and really proves the point of the post, that some actually believe experts are useless. Lol.

To the contrary. Experts serve a purpose.
Just like citing examples of experts to prove experts are somehow superior to others, while being wrong about experts related to penicillin,cars, and the creation of the Interstate.

 

[Matthias]

Experts serve a purpose.

That’s why when a person is in need of something like heart surgery he doesn’t have it done by Goober, over at Wally’s Gas Station.

 

[Prim]

Its incredibly amusing, and really proves the point of the post, that some actually believe experts are useless. Lol.

The fields of expertise be many and certainly not useless. But often in times of political and religious upheaval truth be the first casualty of war. God be the greatest expert in all things don’t you think. Far above the expertise of mere mortals. Skovand what to do when the experts tell us we come from the ape and the God states clearly that he created us fully human. To whom do we place trust ? You find it incredibly amusing. Why would that be ?

 

[Blue Dragonfly's]

That’s why when a person is in need of something like heart surgery he doesn’t have it done by Goober, over at Wally’s Gas Station.

Hey now, don't go talking smack about Doc Goober!

 

[Skovand1075]

The fields of expertise be many and certainly not useless. But often in times of political and religious upheaval truth be the first casualty of war. God be the greatest expert in all things don’t you think. Far above the expertise of mere mortals. Skovand what to do when the experts tell us we come from the ape and the God states clearly that he created us fully human. To whom do we place trust ? You find it incredibly amusing. Why would that be ?

I’m not jumping into the evolution vs pseudoscientific beliefs based on terrible biblical hermeneutics on this thread. There are threads out there on it.