"All things are lawful..."

[amigo de christo]

What punishment? Eternity in the lake of fire. we may still experience the consequences of sin in this life, but God is done with HIs anger towards us if and when we fail. He punished Jesus in our place-

so long as ye know that GOD didnt punish JESUS in our place so that we could now continue in sin . That crap is of the devil .
Sorry if the word crap offended ya , guess paul would have said dung .
JESUS aint a license to sin , RATHER HE came to set us free FROM SIN . I SURE HOPE Folks realize this . I TRULY DO .
cause who we who serve , who we obey , IS WHOSE WE ARE . That is a plain fact , that on the day of the LORD
no man gonna be able to side step . ITS GONNA be too late .
SO my question is , IF WE SAY WE ARE OF CHRIST , HOW COME WE AINT WALKING AS DID HE . JOHN KNEW TRUTH . HE SURE DID .

 

[Behold]

"The heart is deceitful above all things, and desperately wicked. Who can know it" says the prophet Jeremiah. Take the test! I hope you pass!

Ezekiel 36:26

 

[Behold]

There are TWO ditches on either side of the Path of the Just, the Left Ditch of License (to Sin) and the Right Ditch of Legalism.

The "ditch" is listening to your Theology.
Thats a fact.
There is no Cross in it.
There is no Christ in it.
But if you like you can try to fake it for a few posts before you return to your self saving, Grace denying, Legalistic status.

Now, Here is the thing.
Christ is the WAY to heaven, and there is no other... and because He is the Way who comes to join Himself with the spirit of the Born again, there is no end to this Eternal Union.
Eternal Security is Spiritual Union with God, through Christ.

 

[Ronald Nolette]

so long as ye know that GOD didnt punish JESUS in our place so that we could now continue in sin . That crap is of the devil .
Sorry if the word crap offended ya , guess paul would have said dung .
JESUS aint a license to sin , RATHER HE came to set us free FROM SIN . I SURE HOPE Folks realize this . I TRULY DO .
cause who we who serve , who we obey , IS WHOSE WE ARE . That is a plain fact , that on the day of the LORD
no man gonna be able to side step . ITS GONNA be too late .
SO my question is , IF WE SAY WE ARE OF CHRIST , HOW COME WE AINT WALKING AS DID HE . JOHN KNEW TRUTH . HE SURE DID .

Of course not- God's complete forgiveness is not a license to sin, but the license to learn to live holier lives.

We do not need a license to sin, we do that by default when we walk not in the Spirit.

Besides anyone who has had their forgiveness added to their account- has a new life that yearns for Jesus! That is how we know one belongs to the Lord, not because they are perfect, but they desire to be to please their Father and their Savior.

 

[Ronald Nolette]

The "ditch" is listening to your Theology.
Thats a fact.
There is no Cross in it.
There is no Christ in it.
But if you like you can try to fake it for a few posts before you return to your self saving, Grace denying, Legalistic status.

Now, Here is the thing.
Christ is the WAY to heaven, and there is no other... and because He is the Way who comes to join Himself with the spirit of the Born again, there is no end to this Eternal Union.
Eternal Security is Spiritual Union with God, through Christ.

LIstening to Phillips, Cragi and dEan right now and they are singing a song right now from the passage that it is Christ who lives in me, and that it is not I but Christ in me!

But those who are so myopic demand to add "only as long as you walk the straight and narrow of good deeds".

 

[Behold]

Paul says the Rapture and the Second Coming are simultaneous, yet you believe in the Jesuit Futurist idea of a 7 year tribulation where the saints are up there, the Jews are down here, right? Where goes your "Pauline doctrine" now?

And, I'd still like to have you explain how 2 Peter 3:10-11 KJV teach that when Jesus comes with fire to collect the saints "as a thief in the night"?

Tell us the name of the deceiver who told you to teach that 2 Peter 10-11, says that the Saints are collected.
There is no mention of Saints, in the verse.
And your Revelation verse, that you decided is connected to 2nd Peter that has no "saints" in it...., is a symbolic verse, that speaks of garments and nakedness.

 

[Behold]

And why would I lie? It is a common theme of such groups is they accuse others of lying.

The pastor you mentioned does not preach or teach that the Grace of God allows for carnal living.
And...God's Grace, through Christ, does atone for all sin and does create Salvation to be eternal.

Where the demonic issue comes in regarding this false idea of OSAS, being "license", is that many Christians, and many non, do not believe that Jesus keeps you saved, and they do not believe that sins committed after the day of your salvation are also, "under the Blood" and forgiven.
So, when you have that false mindset, regarding the "Gift of Salvation", its impossible for you to understand :

2 Corinthians 5:19

Romans 4:8

Or Eternal Security of the Believer.....That tells you that God does not charge SIN ever again to the Born again.
And a carnal person who does not understand the Cross and is self righteous, will HATE those verses, as they deny their self effort to try to be saved or to try to stay saved.

 

[amigo de christo]

Would JESUS view pornography . THEN WHY DOES the church .
DID JESUS support sin and evil , THEN WHY DOES the CHURCH .
TRY and visualize JESUS carrying a rainbow flag in churches . exactly .

 

[amigo de christo]

rather odd that paul did all he could do to shut down carnal living . yet today folks say as they say . I did try and warn us .
Folks aint serious these days , they aint grave , they are too busy making excuses

 

[Behold]

LIstening to Phillips, Cragi and dEan right now and they are singing a song right now from the passage that it is Christ who lives in me, and that it is not I but Christ in me!
But those who are so myopic demand to add "only as long as you walk the straight and narrow of good deeds".

Thats good music, you listed.

These who are "myopic"......as you pointed out...... If you say to them, if you ask them..."why do you believe that your works that could not save you, or get you into heaven, that God did not accept.... before GOD SAVED YOU Through CHRIST......now have the power to keep you saved and get you into heaven, and you must do them?

How can what isn't accepted by God, (our works) before we are saved.....now become in their mind, accepted by the SAME GOD who didnt before?

This is an amazing deception that these people exist within in their darkened mind.

"well Behold, i know that all my works before i was saved were FILTHY RAGS, but now that im saved, its all different, my works matter now".

Well, not according to Holy God who died as Christ on the Cross to get us into heaven, thereby.

Its FAITH without works"......""Its GRACE......not of works lest any DECEIVER will BOAST on a forum about all their self effort and commandment keeping""""

Its really just one issue, or 2.

One is.......these people do not understand that Salvation is ALL of GOD< and our discipleship is all of US, with God's help.
These are not the same.

Salvation is not Discipleship.
Salvation is Christ on the Cross, and our discipleship is what we do AfTER we have received by FAITH, 'the Gift of Salvation" that Christ accomplished 2000 yrs ago on the Cross.

 

[Behold]

rather odd that paul did all he could do to shut down carnal living . yet today folks say as they say . I did try and warn us .
Folks aint serious these days , they aint grave , they are too busy making excuses

If you want to have the power of God, empower your discipleship into the "as many as be perfect", as Paul teaches...
Then you do that by leaving the carnal mind that is "striving against sin", that leads to confessing it, and instead you rest in God's Grace, knowing that God has accepted you as His own, not because you are any good, but because Christ's Salvation IS PERFECT, and God accepts this to accept you and keep you.

 

[Behold]

Would JESUS view pornography . THEN WHY DOES the church .
DID JESUS support sin and evil , THEN WHY DOES the CHURCH .
TRY and visualize JESUS carrying a rainbow flag in churches . exactly .

God has a lot of patience.
One day the "time of the gentiles is going to end" and the Grace of God, is going to leave this planet along with the Bride of Christ.
Then.....= IN comes the DEVIL, and the Great Trib, and hell on earth.

 

[amigo de christo]

If you want to have the power of God, empower your discipleship into the "as many as be perfect", as Paul teaches...
Then you do that by leaving the carnal mind that is "striving against sin", that leads to confessing it, and instead you rest in God's Grace, knowing that God has accepted you as His own, not because you are any good, but because Christ's Salvation IS PERFECT, and God accepts this to accept you and keep you.

If you want to have the power of GOD , then believe the gospel . GOD changed my heart on day ONE my friend .
Did i have the knowledge i now do on day one . NO . BUT he did changed MY HEART and my desires ON DAY ONE .
The gospel of GOD , IS THE POWER OF GOD . paul knew that too .
Most folks have not truly submitted to GOD . And thus they have not grown in or by the grace of GOD .
The time when many should have been teachers , being grave and serious , They instead have a need
to be rebuked and corrected and pointed back to THA bible . FEAST ON THAT FOR AWHILE .
CAUS TOO MANY OF YOU ALL ARE LISTENING TO MEN THAT FED AND DO FEED YOUR EMOTIONS AND NOT RATHER JUST THE BIBLE .

 

[amigo de christo]

God has a lot of patience.
One day the "time of the gentiles is going to end" and the Grace of God, is going to leave this planet along with the Bride of Christ.
Then.....= IN comes the DEVIL, and the Great Trib, and hell on earth.

God does have a lot of patience . BUT NOTICE when error is spotted HE CORRECTH quickly as DID JESUS and as did the apostels .
SIN must be corrected and asap fast too . STOP letting folks struggle in sin and rather POINT them to CHRIST
Start correcting sin and error and stop letting folks who are in sin and error feel comfy . IT DONT WORK . GET SERIOUS
GET grave , and LEARN JESUS WELL .

 

[Behold]

All things are lawful for me , DONT INCLUDE SIN .

The born again are not under the law, they are under Grace.
So, where sin would exist, Grace has dominion over it.

Christ came not to give us freedom to sin, but deliverance from Sin.

God has 2 remedies for the " willfully sinning christian".....the backslider. (DEMAS). .to help them turn around.

1.) Hebrews 12:6

2.) "Be sure you SIN will find you out".. this is to REAP what you have sown...

So, while its true that all sin has been resolved for the born again, and the same offer is the to world....but only applied by Faith...
This means that Christ has been judged for our sin, and this takes care of our Eternal Security.
However, down here, there is always a earthly consequence that comes to find you if live carnally.....both as an unbeliever and as a Believer.
ITS the sin of Christ rejection, (never born again) is the only sin that damns you to Hell. So, unbelievers face THAT, right now, and for eternity if they are never saved, never born again. John 3:36

Christ's Cross has removed Eternal Judgment from the Born again, but not the earthly consequence of Reaping what you sow.

 

[Behold]

If you want to have the power of GOD , then believe the gospel . GOD changed my heart on day ONE my friend .
.

God changed your heart and gave you Heaven as your home., the same day.
You did no work for it.
You kept no commandments..
YET, God instantly gave you His Heaven, and eternal life, and eternal security, because you took His Son into your heart.

 

[amigo de christo]

God has a lot of patience.
One day the "time of the gentiles is going to end" and the Grace of God, is going to leave this planet along with the Bride of Christ.
Then.....= IN comes the DEVIL, and the Great Trib, and hell on earth.

I noticed none of this answers the simple questions .
So allow me to ask them again . Now using paul and peter and james and john as examples .
WHEN SIN was spotted in the church of the corinithains . DID paul write and tell them
OH GOD HAS PATIENCE , ALL is well . NO he said GET READY FOR THE ROD if you dont stop the sinning .
SO How come this has become so judgmental to todays generation . YALL DONT sound a thing like Christ
nor paul or the apostles when it comes to sin . YOu might have the gospel of BELIEVE IN JESUS to be saved down RIGHT
but so too unrepentant gays and others . I have heard them say the same gospel when it try and correct them too .
THE PROBLEM IS , THEY follow darkness , so its lip service only . TIME TO GET SERIOUS about sin and error .
IF JESUS was and the apostels were , DONT THINK ME A HATER cause i am . INSTEAD JOIN THE RANKS
and start correcting error . OR step aside and at least let me do it . I dont fear men , i LOVE the peoples
SO ME IS GONNA WARN ANYONE who calleth upon the name of CHRIST to DEPART FROM INQUITY . PEROID .
AND if that seems judmental or hateful to you and many , THEN LEARN THE BIBLE and soon enough IT WONT SEEM hateful nor judgmental .
YOU WILL SEE i am just carrying the same torch THEY DID my friend .

 

[WalkInLight]

The pastor you mentioned does not preach or teach that the Grace of God allows for carnal living.
And...God's Grace, through Christ, does atone for all sin and does create Salvation to be eternal.

Where the demonic issue comes in regarding this false idea of OSAS, being "license", is that many Christians, and many non, do not believe that Jesus keeps you saved, and they do not believe that sins committed after the day of your salvation are also, "under the Blood" and forgiven.
So, when you have that false mindset, regarding the "Gift of Salvation", its impossible for you to understand :

2 Corinthians 5:19

Romans 4:8

Or Eternal Security of the Believer.....That tells you that God does not charge SIN ever again to the Born again.
And a carnal person who does not understand the Cross and is self righteous, will HATE those verses, as they deny their self effort to try to be saved or to try to stay saved.

Joseph Prince
"For him the law is a bad thing, an enslaving thing, because it is synonymous with legalism. The law is a path to salvation through good works that can never succeed. He comments that the law is all about YOU and ‘the law is all about looking at yourself’ "

I spent years talking to folk who followed Prince and his preaching like the font of all knowledge. In their view the sermon on the mount was for Jews and after the cross all sin was forgiven and any way of living was acceptable. Their view of repentance was just changing your mind that God was God. Their view is very gnostic, the born again spirit within them is eternal and can never die, while the flesh will die and they will be released from carnal sin.

Often these groups appear very christian, until you see they aspire to faith and Jesus's holiness which is merely a covering for failing to repent and resolve real life problems through the power of the Holy Spirit and Christ working within.

From your sharing you hold future sin past, present and future is now forgiven. This is a belief that is easy to understand, but for me is naive about the nature and meaning of salvation. It is always all too easy to claim authority and certainty, when it is a walk and journey, which by faith we shall complete.

In an eternal sense the elect are always safe, but in the here and now we walk day to day. I try and avoid using the term demonic in forums simply because these are such short summaries and easily miss understood. I just want to be a blessing and a light in a dark place,

So , God bless you

 

[amigo de christo]

The born again are not under the law, they are under Grace.
So, where sin would exist, Grace has dominion over it.

Christ came not to give us freedom to sin, but deliverance from Sin.

God has 2 remedies for the " willfully sinning christian".....the backslider. (DEMAS). .to help them turn around.

1.) Hebrews 12:6

2.) "Be sure you SIN will find you out".. this is to REAP what you have sown...

So, while its true that all sin has been resolved for the born again, and the same offer is the to world....but only applied by Faith...
This means that Christ has been judged for our sin, and this takes care of our Eternal Security.
However, down here, there is always a earthly consequence that comes to find you if live carnally.....both as an unbeliever and as a Believer.
ITS the sin of Christ rejection, (never born again) is the only sin that damns you to Hell. So, unbelievers face THAT, right now, and for eternity if they are never saved, never born again. John 3:36

Christ's Cross has removed Eternal Judgment from the Born again, but not the earthly consequence of Reaping what you sow.

Not what paul taught . HE SAID WHOM YE SERVE IS WHOSE YE ARE . as i said above , TIME to stop listening to men .
DO yourself a favour . TEST US ALL . TEST YOUR MEN and ME . BUT DO SO against the bible .
PICK UP the bible and get a snortful of that drink for a while . IT WILL SUPRISE YOU to find out , I WASNT IN THE WRONG AT ALL for what i did .
BUT you aint gonna know that TILL YA GET BACK IN THAT BIBLE FOR YOU . HURRY . YOu know i love you my friend .
I Do enjoy listening to you when you say , ALL WE HAVE TO DO IS BELIEVE IN JESUS . cause that is SPOT ON RIGHT
but you are lacking too my friend . I AM ONLY TRYING TO HELP .

 

[amigo de christo]

God changed your heart and gave you Heaven as your home., the same day.
You did no work for it.
You kept no commandments..
YET, God instantly gave you His Heaven, and eternal life, and eternal security, because you took His Son into your heart.

EXACTLY . YOU SPOT ON RIGHT MY FRIEND . YOU SPOT ON RIGHT . I have said this all along .
Just cause i warn out against sin and error and etc , Dont mean i think GOD saved and changed me , cause of who i was or did .
I KNOW BETTER . GOD simply sent grace and HE SENT IT IN JESUS CHRIST and DREW ME TO CHRIST JESUS .
Now let all that draws breath praise and thank the LORD . And never follow the CC nor any other who teaches falsehoods