Life in the Millennium.

[jeffweeder]

Why can’t we be reigning now? If we are reigning now, then Christ is reigning with us. And if that were true, the Kingdoms of this world would be his. And if that were true, the man of sin would already be destroyed. And if that were true, the church would be married and the resurrection would have happened and all Israel would be saved. And if that were true…why hasn’t any of that happened? Because we are not reigning yet.

I tried to tell you why in my post to you. Why reign over Christ deniers in our glorified state when faith in what is not seen is no longer an option for them ?

 

[No Pre-TB]

100% Spiritual Realm, No "Literal" Time

Theres a problem here. Rev 20:6 uses the word anastasis which means resurrection. That word only means physical bodily resurrection and never spiritual regeneration. So to say it’s spiritual is literally against the definition and understanding of the word.

 

[No Pre-TB]

I tried to tell you why in my post to you. Why reign over Christ deniers in our glorified state when faith in what is not seen is no longer an option for them ?

Because when we do reign one day, it won’t be over deniers for the word states all the earth will be filled with the knowledge of the Lord. Every knee shall bow. Do you mean to say what reason will there be for faith?

 

[jeffweeder]

Because when we do reign one day, it won’t be over deniers for the word states all the earth will be filled with the knowledge of the Lord. Every knee shall bow. Do you mean to say what reason will there be for faith?

Who are these people we are supposed to reign over in the future if they are not part of the glorified believers when Jesus comes?
They are classed as those who do not obey and love the Gospel of truth and are deluded and judged and completely perish.
No other group can possibly exist.

2Thess 1 and 2
5 This is positive proof of the just and right judgment of God to the end that you may be deemed deserving of His kingdom [a plain token of His fair verdict which designs that you should be made and counted worthy of the kingdom of God], for the sake of which you are also suffering.

6 [It is a fair decision] since it is a righteous thing with God to repay with distress and affliction those who distress and afflict you,

7 And to [recompense] you who are so distressed and afflicted [by granting you] relief and rest along with us [your fellow sufferers] when the Lord Jesus is revealed from heaven with His mighty angels in a flame of fire,

8 To deal out retribution (chastisement and vengeance) upon those who do not know or perceive or become acquainted with God, and [upon those] who ignore and refuse to obey the Gospel of our Lord Jesus Christ.

9 Such people will pay the penalty and suffer the punishment of everlasting ruin (destruction and perdition) and eternal exclusion and banishment from the presence of the Lord and from the glory of His power,

10 When He comes to be glorified in His saints [on that day He will be made more glorious in His consecrated people], and [He will] be marveled at and admired [in His glory reflected] in all who have believed [who have adhered to, trusted in, and relied on Him], because our witnessing among you was confidently accepted and believed [and confirmed in your lives].


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10 And by unlimited seduction to evil and with all wicked deception for those who are perishing (going to perdition) because they did not welcome the Truth but refused to love it that they might be saved.

11 Therefore God sends upon them a misleading influence, a working of error and a strong delusion to make them believe what is false,

12 In order that all may be judged and condemned who did not believe in [who refused to adhere to, trust in, and rely on] the Truth, but [instead] took pleasure in unrighteousness.

13 But we, brethren beloved by the Lord, ought and are obligated [as those who are in debt] to give thanks always to God for you, because God chose you from the beginning as His firstfruits (first converts) for salvation through the sanctifying work of the [Holy] Spirit and [your] belief in (adherence to, trust in, and reliance on) the Truth.

 

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There Will Be No 1,000 Year Millennial Kingdom Upon This Earth

We have all seen your repeated copy and paste in direct opposition to Rev. 19, 20.

Disagreeing with Scripture is your prerogative, as well at others to trust to believe Scripture.

2 Peter 3:10-13KJV

10 But the day of the Lord will come as a thief in the night; in the which the heavens shall pass away with a great noise, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat, the earth also and the works that are therein shall be burned up.
11 Seeing then that all these things shall be dissolved, what manner of persons ought ye to be in all holy conversation and godliness,
12 Looking for and hasting unto the coming of the day of God, wherein the heavens being on fire shall be dissolved, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat?
13 Nevertheless we, according to his promise, look for new heavens and a new earth, wherein dwelleth righteousness.

Revelation 21:1-5KJV
1 And I saw a new heaven and a new earth: for the first heaven and the first earth were passed away; and there was no more sea.
2 And I John saw the holy city, new Jerusalem, coming down from God out of heaven, prepared as a bride adorned for her husband.
3 And I heard a great voice out of heaven saying, Behold, the tabernacle of God is with men, and he will dwell with them, and they shall be his people, and God himself shall be with them, and be their God.
4 And God shall wipe away all tears from their eyes; and there shall be no more death, neither sorrow, nor crying, neither shall there be any more pain: for the former things are passed away.
5 And he that sat upon the throne said, Behold, I make all things new. And he said unto me, Write: for these words are true and faithful.

Matthew 24:29-30KJV
29 Immediately after the tribulation of those days shall the sun be darkened, and the moon shall not give her light, and the stars shall fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens shall be shaken:
30 And then shall appear the sign of the Son of man in heaven: and then shall all the tribes of the earth mourn, and they shall see the Son of man coming in the clouds of heaven with power and great glory.

1 Corinthians 3:13KJV
13 Every man's work shall be made manifest: for the day shall declare it, because it shall be revealed by fire; and the fire shall try every man's work of what sort it is.

Luke 17:29-30KJV
29 But the same day that Lot went out of Sodom it rained fire and brimstone from heaven, and destroyed them all.
30 Even thus shall it be in the day when the Son of man is revealed.

2 Thessalonians 1:7-9KJV
7 And to you who are troubled rest with us, when the Lord Jesus shall be revealed from heaven with his mighty angels,
8 In flaming fire taking vengeance on them that know not God, and that obey not the gospel of our Lord Jesus Christ:
9 Who shall be punished with everlasting destruction from the presence of the Lord, and from the glory of his power;

Malachi 3:2KJV
2 But who may abide the day of his coming? and who shall stand when he appeareth? for he is like a refiner's fire, and like fullers' soap:

Psalm 46:6KJV
6 The heathen raged, the kingdoms were moved: he uttered his voice, the earth melted.

Psalm 50:3KJV
3 Our God shall come, and shall not keep silence: a fire shall devour before him, and it shall be very tempestuous round about him.

Psalm 97:5KJV
5 The hills melted like wax at the presence of the Lord, at the presence of the Lord of the whole earth.

Isaiah 66:15KJV
15 For, behold, the Lord will come with fire, and with his chariots like a whirlwind, to render his anger with fury, and his rebuke with flames of fire.

Zechariah 14:12KJV
12 And this shall be the plague wherewith the Lord will smite all the people that have fought against Jerusalem; Their flesh shall consume away while they stand upon their feet, and their eyes shall consume away in their holes, and their tongue shall consume away in their mouth.

Nahum 1:5-6KJV
5 The mountains quake at him, and the hills melt, and the earth is burned at his presence, yea, the world, and all that dwell therein.
6 Who can stand before his indignation? and who can abide in the fierceness of his anger? his fury is poured out like fire, and the rocks are thrown down by him.

Revelation 20:9KJV
9 And they went up on the breadth of the earth, and compassed the camp of the saints about, and the beloved city: and fire came down from God out of heaven, and devoured them.

Quoting Scripture gives no indication you understand it.

 

[Taken]

A Millennial Kingdom on this earth isn't found in scripture, it's a fabricated fairy tale of man

Jesus Returns in fire and final judgment, dissolving this earth by fire (The End) as clearly seen in post #11 above

It is one thing for you to not understand the meaning of the one thousand years REVEALED 6 times in Revelations.

It is quite another thing for you to repeatedly claim it’s a fabricated fairy tale.

Matt 10:
[11] He (Jesus) answered and said unto them, Because it is given unto you (some) to know the mysteries of the kingdom of heaven, but to them (others) it is not given.

 

[Taken]

No Pre-TB said: ↑
Why can’t we be reigning now?

Hello again.
Why can't we be reigning now? Are we meant to be reigning now?

John 18:
[36] Jesus answered, My kingdom is not of this world: if my kingdom were of this world, then would my servants fight, that I should not be delivered to the Jews: but now is my kingdom not from hence.

We, bodily alive faithful, still occupy the Earth.
Jesus’ Kingdom has not yet become manifested on Earth.
Can’t reign WITH Him, Until He claims His Earthly Throne.

Meantime, We Serve Him by Glorifying His Great Name, ON Earth.

Glory to God,
Taken

 

[jeffweeder]

John 18:
[36] Jesus answered, My kingdom is not of this world: if my kingdom were of this world, then would my servants fight, that I should not be delivered to the Jews: but now is my kingdom not from hence.

We, bodily alive faithful, still occupy the Earth.
Jesus’ Kingdom has not yet become manifested on Earth.
Can’t reign WITH Him, Until He claims His Earthly Throne.

Meantime, We Serve Him by Glorifying His Great Name, ON Earth.

Glory to God,
Taken

I think you will agree that reigning with him has nothing to do with our unrestored flesh. It has everything to do with a new and living way that the Lord has established for us.
Neither does it rely on this unrestored earth as Jesus has made clear that this earth
(And heaven) is destined to pass away at his actual coming.
We take our comfort from what he has truly established.

Heb 12
18 For you have not come [as did the Israelites in the wilderness] to a [material] mountain that can be touched, [a mountain] that is ablaze with fire, and to gloom and darkness and a raging storm,

19 And to the blast of a trumpet and a voice whose words make the listeners beg that nothing more be said to them.

20 For they could not bear the command that was given: If even a wild animal touches the mountain, it shall be stoned to death.

21 In fact, so awful and terrifying was the [phenomenal] sight that Moses said, I am terrified (aghast and trembling with fear).

22 But rather, you have come to Mount Zion, even to the city of the living God, the heavenly Jerusalem, and to countless multitudes of angels in festal gathering,

23 And to the church (assembly) of the Firstborn who are registered [as citizens] in heaven, and to the God Who is Judge of all, and to the spirits of the righteous (the redeemed in heaven) who have been made perfect,

24 And to Jesus, the Mediator (Go-between, Agent) of a new covenant, and to the sprinkled blood which speaks [of mercy], a better and nobler and more gracious message than the blood of Abel [which cried out for vengeance].



25 So see to it that you do not reject Him or refuse to listen to and heed Him Who is speaking [to you now]. For if they [the Israelites] did not escape when they refused to listen and heed Him Who warned and divinely instructed them [here] on earth [revealing with heavenly warnings His will], how much less shall we escape if we reject and turn our backs on Him Who cautions and admonishes [us] from heaven?

26 Then [at Mount Sinai] His voice shook the earth, but now He has given a promise: Yet once more I will shake and make tremble not only the earth but also the [starry] heavens.

27 Now this expression, Yet once more, indicates the final removal and transformation of all [that can be] shaken—that is, of that which has been created—in order that what cannot be shaken may remain and continue.

28 Let us therefore, receiving a kingdom that is firm and stable and cannot be shaken, offer to God pleasing service and acceptable worship, with modesty and pious care and godly fear and awe;

29 For our God [is indeed] a consuming fire.



Even Abraham saw this....,

8 [Urged on] by faith Abraham, when he was called, obeyed and went forth to a place which he was destined to receive as an inheritance; and he went, although he did not know or trouble his mind about where he was to go.

9 [Prompted] by faith he dwelt as a temporary resident in the land which was designated in the promise [of God, though he was like a stranger] in a strange country, living in tents with Isaac and Jacob, fellow heirs with him of the same promise.

10 For he was [waiting expectantly and confidently] looking forward to the city which has fixed and firm foundations, whose Architect and Builder is God.

11 Because of faith also Sarah herself received physical power to conceive a child, even when she was long past the age for it, because she considered [God] Who had given her the promise to be reliable and trustworthy and true to His word.

12 So from one man, though he was physically as good as dead, there have sprung descendants whose number is as the stars of heaven and as countless as the innumerable sands on the seashore.

13 These people all died controlled and sustained by their faith, but not having received the tangible fulfillment of [God’s] promises, only having seen it and greeted it from a great distance by faith, and all the while acknowledging and confessing that they were strangers and temporary residents and exiles upon the earth.

14 Now those people who talk as they did show plainly that they are in search of a fatherland (their own country).

15 If they had been thinking with [homesick] remembrance of that country from which they were emigrants, they would have found constant opportunity to return to it.

16 But the truth is that they were yearning for and aspiring to a better and more desirable country, that is, a heavenly [one]. For that reason God is not ashamed to be called their God [even to be surnamed their God—the God of Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob], for He has prepared a city for them.

 

[Taken]

I think you will agree that reigning with him has nothing to do with our unrestored flesh. It has everything to do with a new and living way that the Lord has established for us.
Neither does it rely on this unrestored earth as Jesus has made clear that this earth
(And heaven) is destined to pass away at his actual coming.
We take our comfort from what he has truly established.

Just to responding as to WHY no one is reigning with Jesus NOW.

 

[jeffweeder]

Just to responding as to WHY no one is reigning with Jesus NOW.

Ask yourself why you are not reigning with him now.



Lk 10
18 And He said to them, I saw Satan falling like a lightning [flash] from heaven.

19 Behold! I have given you authority and power to trample upon serpents and scorpions, and [physical and mental strength and ability] over all the power that the enemy [possesses]; and nothing shall in any way harm you.

20 Nevertheless, do not rejoice at this, that the spirits are subject to you, but rejoice that your names are enrolled in heaven.

21 In that same hour He rejoiced and gloried in the Holy Spirit and said, I thank You, Father, Lord of heaven and earth, that You have concealed these things [relating to salvation] from the wise and understanding and learned, and revealed them to babes (the childish, unskilled, and untaught). Yes, Father, for such was Your gracious will and choice and good pleasure.

22 All things have been given over into My power by My Father; and no one knows Who the Son is except the Father, or Who the Father is except the Son and anyone to whom the Son may choose to reveal and make Him known.

23 Then turning to His disciples, He said privately, Blessed (happy, to be envied) are those whose eyes see what you see!

 

[Truth7t7]

Sooo, everything is spiritual except the part Jesus returning in fire to physically dissolve the earth by literal fire?

edit: How do you decide which parts are spiritual and which are not?

Post #11 clearly shows Jesus Christ returning in literal fire, do you deny the very scripture seen In post #11?

 

[Truth7t7]

So you are calling John a Liar?
Ok. Your call.

At no time did I call John a liar, that's your "False Claim" in diversion

 

[Taken]

Ask yourself why you are not reigning with him now.

Why ask myself what I have already answered?

 

[Taken]

At no time did I call John a liar, that's your "False Claim" in diversion

Asking a question is not a false claim.

 

[Truth7t7]

Theres a problem here. Rev 20:6 uses the word anastasis which means resurrection. That word only means physical bodily resurrection and never spiritual regeneration. So to say it’s spiritual is literally against the definition and understanding of the word.

Please respond to post #17 that shows the (Last Day) resurrection of all that have lived, the resurrection in Revelation 20:6 will take place on this future (Last Day) The End

 

[Taken]

Sooo, everything is spiritual except the part Jesus returning in fire to physically dissolve the earth by literal fire?

edit: How do you decide which parts are spiritual and which are not?

@Truth7t7 repeatedly copy’s and pastes the same Scriptures over and over that give a snippet preview of the end of days, rather than addressing the more detailed Revealing of the end of days in Revelations.

During the Trib, there is a Spiritual Battle between Good and Evil...
Wrapping it up of sorts...Good winning souls and Evil willing souls.

And a physical Battle...Armageddon.

The SIGN of the Son of man appears in the sky, on a cloud.
He DIVIDES, those with HIM, from those without HIM.

Then Jesus Returns (with power)...AND WITH, THOSE IN CHRIST...
and Satan is bound, those without Him DEAD. Unconverted, (IN Christ), but believers also many soul saved, but bodily DEAD.

Jesus Reigns in His Earthly Kingdom 1,000 years.
His Saints with Him.
Mortals outside of his Kingdom, establishing nations.
Nations living in harmony.
1,000 years end.
Satan is loosed, influences the mortal nations.
Spiritual Warfare. Satan and demonic angels sent to the Lake of FIRE.
Mortal that came against Jesus Kingdom....CONSUMED instantly by His Presence.

Heb 12:
[29] For our God is a consuming fire.

THEN does the resurrection of the dead begin....and a new world commence.

THE BIG PICTURE...is Presently Gods Kingdom IS IN Heaven.
The BIG PICTURE....is AS IT IS IN HEAVEN, so SHALL it be on Earth.

@Truth7t7 ... completely glosses over God manifesting His Kingdom on Earth.

 

[Truth7t7]

Jesus Reigns in His Earthly Kingdom 1,000 years. His Saints with Him. Mortals outside of his Kingdom, establishing nations. Nations living in harmony.

Jesus Christ Warned His Followers, Concerning Him Being On This Earth In A Millennium (Beware)

Many claim Jesus will literally return and rule "On This Earth" In A Millennium this being false in deception

Jesus warned his followers against this teaching, Jesus wont be found anywhere upon this earth as many claim

The Antichrist will be in Jerusalem, claiming to be Messiah Returned, "Beware"!

"Believe It Not" "Go Not Forth"

Matthew 24:23-27KJV
23 Then if any man shall say unto you, Lo, here is Christ, or there; believe it not.
24 For there shall arise false Christs, and false prophets, and shall shew great signs and wonders; insomuch that, if it were possible, they shall deceive the very elect.
25 Behold, I have told you before.
26 Wherefore if they shall say unto you, Behold, he is in the desert; go not forth: behold, he is in the secret chambers; believe it not.
27 For as the lightning cometh out of the east, and shineth even unto the west; so shall also the coming of the Son of man be.

Revelation 13:13-14KJV
13 And he doeth great wonders, so that he maketh fire come down from heaven on the earth in the sight of men,
14 And deceiveth them that dwell on the earth by the means of those miracles which he had power to do in the sight of the beast; saying to them that dwell on the earth, that they should make an image to the beast, which had the wound by a sword, and did live.

Revelation 19:20KJV
20 And the beast was taken, and with him the false prophet that wrought miracles before him, with which he deceived them that had received the mark of the beast, and them that worshipped his image. These both were cast alive into a lake of fire burning with brimstone.

 

[Marilyn C]

A future Millennial Kingdom on this earth is found no place in scripture, its a fabricated fairytale of man

Jesus returns in fire and final judgement, dissolving this earth by fire (The End)

We are not discussing whether there is a millennial kingdom or not. You are on the wrong thread.

 

[Marilyn C]

Rev 5:10 disagrees:
“and they will reign on the earth.”

Now, for a 1,000 year reign or a reign that is an extraordinary amount of time, Rev 20-
“they shall be priests of God and of Christ, and shall reign with him a thousand years.”

The resurrection has not happened. Christ is still our High Priest making intercession for us.

There is an earthly 1k yr long reign with Him. You may take that physically or spiritually, I don’t care. But it’s prophesied to happen and is future because the restoration of all things has not happened yet. You’ll never convince anyone to your side with those statements. You just cause a defense. Anyone who goes out to witness to others knows this. Do you?

Actually, the scripture is `and they will reign OVER the earth.` That is the Body of Christ ruling from the third heaven. However, it is Israel who will rule over the nations on the earth as promised.

 

[Marilyn C]

You haven't debunked anything

No earthly kingdom, throne, or humans is seen in Revelation 20:1-6 as you claim, who you kidding, not me!

Heaven-Spiritual
Angel-Spiritual
Satan Bound-Spiritual

(The Souls) And (The Dead) Reign In The (Spiritual)

No It's Not Humans On Earth Reigning As You Claim, Smiles!

`And the nations of those who are saved shall walk in its light, and the kings of the earth bring their glory and honour into it.` (Rev.21: 24)