Christians are sinners, but not of the devil

[Behold]

No answer again. But, as I said, I only asked for old times sake.

Saying i gave no answer, when in fact i gave you a challenge for the 5th time that you can't meet, only shows the members that you are wasting their time with your cultish obsession.

So for the 6th time, ....

Where is your proof of OSAS. ?

A.) In your HEAD where the rest of your Theological fantasy exists.

This is why you can't quote me, or any legit Pastor, Preacher, Evangelist, to even try to begin to prove that any real minister who understands the "imputed righteousness of Christ", is being taught as your cult teaches the lie of "OSAS".
You can't produce any evidence that this happens, because it just a warped mental issue that drives Grace denying people like you to extremes, trying to deny it, same as Jude describes the UNBELIEVERS who were doing it also in Paul's Day when they accused Paul of "license to sin", tho they worded it slightly differently, 2000 yrs ago.
But its the same pack of self saving deceivers, tho you are not a Jew, and they were all Jews.

 

[robert derrick]

Saying i gave no answer, when in fact i gave you a challenge for the 5th time that you can't meet, only shows the members that you are wasting their time with your cultish obsession.

So for the 6th time, ....

Where is your proof of OSAS. ?

A.) In your HEAD where the rest of your Theological fantasy exists.

This is why you can't quote me, or any legit Pastor, Preacher, Evangelist, to even try to begin to prove that any real minister who understands the "imputed righteousness of Christ", is being taught as your cult teaches the lie of "OSAS".
You can't produce any evidence that this happens, because it just a warped mental issue that drives Grace denying people like you to extremes, trying to deny it, same as Jude describes the UNBELIEVERS who were doing it also in Paul's Day when they accused Paul of "license to sin", tho they worded it slightly differently, 2000 yrs ago.
But its the same pack of self saving deceivers, tho you are not a Jew, and they were all Jews.

No answer again to plain questions, that I answered plainly for myself. Your doctrine-speak around it doesn't answer anything.

From which some having swerved have turned aside unto vain jangling; Desiring to be teachers of the law; understanding neither what they say, nor whereof they affirm.

1. Are you still doing unrighteous works of the flesh?

2. Do you deny sinning against Christ, while doing works of flesh, because you say they are not sins for you, but only for unbelievers?

My answers:

1. No I am not doing unrighteous works of the flesh. 2. If I do, then I am just as much an unrighteous sinner against the word of God, as anyone else doing the same thing.

As I said, I don't believe you are capable anymore of giving honest answer's to honest questions. There is no honest truth in you anymore to do so. Unless, of course, you answer the questions plainly as I have. Or, you can just say you cannot tell.

 

[Behold]

1. Are you still doing unrighteous works of the flesh?

2. Do you deny sinning against Christ, while doing works of flesh, because you say they are not sins for you, but only for unbelievers?

You are not able to post a video, or the name of a denomination, or any actual proof that people teach "license to sin".
You just LIE.
So, you need to deal with that sin,.


Also,

Your questions to me, are related to unbelievers, who are not "In Christ".
Im not one of those.

The Born again, are...."As Jesus is, so are the born again, in this world".

So, does Jesus have sin?
He probably does in your mind, Robert.
Ask yourself.."why dont i know any of this"... as that is your problem, one of them.

 

[robert derrick]

Your questions to me, are related to unbelievers, who are not "In Christ".
Im not one of those.

Wow. You almost answered the questions. A bit slanted, but still in the right direction. I give you due honor, because really did not believe you could do that much.

The questions are for all souls on earth:

Examine yourselves, whether ye be in the faith; prove your own selves. Know ye not your own selves, how that Jesus Christ is in you, except ye be reprobates?

And so, if you at least say the questions do not pertain to you, then are you now saying you are not doing unrighteous works of the flesh?

Answering with a doctrinal statement of truth, is not confessing doing it.

As a saved and believing Christian, I am not now doing so.

If you were to commit another unrighteous work of the flesh, which is possible for all of us, then do you say you would be, nor not be condemned the same as them doing the same thing?

As a saved and believing Christian, I would be like any other on earth.

You can now seal the deal and prove me wrong, buy answering straightly as a saved and believing Christian, and I will accept it as the truth for you, and will repent of saying you are not able to be honest anymore.

 

[Behold]

Examine yourselves, whether ye be in the faith;

If you believe you can lose your salvation, because you misunderstood "dead faith", in James, and "willfully sin"< in Hebrews, then you definitely are NOT in "the Faith".

So, check yourself Robert for the surprise answer.

 

[Always Believing]

I think that's just another lie that the devil told you

how do we love jesus if we keep sinning?
it's like you are saying that a bad tree will bring forth good fruit and good tree bring forth bad fruit
1 John 3:6 Whosoever abideth in him sinneth not: whosoever sinneth hath not seen him, neither known him. 1 John 3:7 Little children, let no man deceive you: he that doeth righteousness is righteous, even as he is righteous. 1 John 3:8 He that committeth sin is of the devil; for the devil sinneth from the beginning. For this purpose the Son of God was manifested, that he might destroy the works of the devil.

the devil is telling you even though you still keep on sinning you are not his but of God since you love his son (but have you ever wonder what does love truly means? if you love God you will follow him therefore if you sin you love the devil not God) it means you can continue to do that


but don't be confused I'm not with the righteous cause I am double minded I simply state facts

I agree with you. After posting this, I have heard some responses that made sense and state it differently now. I now only say my manner of sinning, if I do is not like before when I used to go after it with gusto. Now I may fall into it, but not purposely seeking it out as my normal day.

But it remains the same in terms of being judged of the devil by works of the flesh and needing to confess from the heart to be forgiven and saved. That remains the same for everyone whether we like sinning or not.

My little children, these things I write to you, so that you may not sin. And if anyone sins, we have an Advocate with the Father, Jesus Christ the righteous. (1 John 2.1)

I will also say you are in the same place I was a short while ago and since you are honest about it, then you can also become the righteous that are not double minded. I was shown this by someone on the site, who caused me to consider becoming best friends with Jesus and not just a servant that may do good or not at times. We don't do our best friends wrong, and we don't need some law to make sure we do right by them. As you said it become entirely a matter of best friendship love and I have found that to make things much easier between me and Jesus. I stopped sweating so much about doing a work of the flesh again, and started thinking more and more about being His best friend, and He does the same now to show it to me.

Greater love has no one than this, than to lay down one’s life for his friends. You are My friends if you do whatever I command you.
No longer do I call you servants, for a servant does not know what his master is doing; but I have called you friends, for all things that I heard from My Father I have made known to you.

He is now telling me things that I am hearing more and more and caring less and less about hearing from the devil.

 

[Behold]

But it remains the same in terms of being judged of the devil by works of the flesh and needing to confess from the heart to be forgiven and saved. .

You are only born again one time... and that is to be "saved".
You are not saved over and over, as Christ didn't die over and over.
He died for your sin ONCE< and you are forgiven it all, once..
When you have an issue with sinning its always related to not understanding what i just showed you.

 

[robert derrick]

If you believe you can lose your salvation, because you misunderstood "dead faith", in James, and "willfully sin"< in Hebrews, then you definitely are NOT in "the Faith".

So, check yourself Robert for the surprise answer.

Reverted back to the old same old. No answer. This time, I really did not think you would finally answer honestly, but just go back to doctrine speak around it.

This is why all your teaching is empty words only, because you will not dare to speak of the results for yourself: you are still a doer of unrighteous works of the flesh, and you lie to yourself and say you are not condemned as a sinner when you do, because you say your works of the flesh don't stink as sinfully as others, who at least do not hypocritically name the name of Christ.

This is why you refuse honest truth to approach your heart, long enough to make an honest answer to an honest and important question about the end of you fairy rose-petal doctrine, of unconditional salvation by your own dead faith alone.

Just as the works of the flesh you do still stink, so does your rosy talk stink of hidden hypocrisy.

I'll not be engaging you anymore, until you proper answer the questions about the results of your teaching in your own case:

1. Do you do unrighteous works of the flesh?

2. If you do, are you condemned with other sinners doing the same thing.

3. If not, why not?

If I get a red notice from you, then I'll just repost the same questions, until you do answer them honestly. If you do so, I will accept it as true for you, and will cease to show how you have not honesty in you to make an honest answer to others.

 

[Behold]

Reverted back to the old same old. No answer. This time, I really did not think you would finally answer honestly, but just go back to doctrine speak around it.

This is why all your teaching is empty words only, because you will not dare to speak of the results for yourself: yo.

I teach Paul's Doctrine.

He teaches this..."God made Jesus, who had no sin = to be sin for us, so that > in Christ< we might become the righteousness of God...""

So, there it is.
There is God's Righteousness that becomes the "new Creation in Christ".
All the born again are "the righteousness of God, in Christ".
The born again are not trying to be righteous, as they are already "made righteous".
This is the born again Spirit. that is "in Christ" and there is no sin found there.

Notice that the born again have become "the temple of the Holy Spirit".. and if there was SIN in them, then the Holy Spirit would not be IN Them, nor would Christ.

So, sin is on your mind Robert, as you are the only one here discussing it.
Im only talking about the One who became sin for the born again.

You enjoy talking about sin.
So does 1stCenturyLady.
Both of you obsess on sin and works.

Real believers want to talk about what actually matters., as talking about SIN, is for sinners, not for Saints.

 

[Always Believing]

You are only born again one time... and that is to be "saved".
You are not saved over and over, as Christ didn't die over and over.
He died for your sin ONCE< and you are forgiven it all, once..
When you have an issue with sinning its always related to not understanding what i just showed you.

I used to have an issue with sinning because I was sinning. And if I do go back to sinning, then I will need to confess it from the heart to Jesus to be forgiven by Him and reconciled to Him once again. But I am not like I was before and double minded and not being best friends with Jesus and really don't look to stop being His best friend at this time.

The rest of your stuff sounds like being forgiven of all sins past present and future, and I have never believed that, because it makes no sense to any normal person and God is a Person and Jesus is still the resurrected man in heaven. The bible only says we are forgiven of our previous sinning and if we sin again we must confess it to be forgiven for it. If you are saying you don't confess any sinning you may do in order to be forgiven, then that means you are not forgiven of any last sins you know you have committed.

If you are saying sinning is not an issue for you anymore because you think you are already forgiven for them, but you are still doing them. Then I don't go down the road of unreality with people that even talk like that. I'm too practical a man, and I have never bothered with esoteric ideals and unrealistic philosophies.

For the time will come when they will not endure sound doctrine, but according to their own desires, because they have itching ears, they will heap up for themselves teachers; and they will turn their ears away from the truth, and be turned aside to fables. (2 Timothy 4.3-4)

The bottom line is if I thought like you I would still be double minded sinning like before. But then I never even thought like this stuff before and I really didn't know there was any Christians that did. But if I had I am sure I would have dismissed their stuff the same. I don't necessarily dismiss people unless they become too bothersome and disrupters of the peace, but I have no problem dismissing what I think is stupid and dangerous to act on. As I said I am a completely practical military man.

 

[robert derrick]

I teach Paul's Doctrine.

He teaches this..."God made Jesus, who had no sin = to be sin for us, so that > in Christ< we might become the righteousness of God...""

So, there it is.
There is God's Righteousness that becomes the "new Creation in Christ".
All the born again are "the righteousness of God, in Christ".
The born again are not trying to be righteous, as they are already "made righteous".
This is the born again Spirit. that is "in Christ" and there is no sin found there.

Notice that the born again have become "the temple of the Holy Spirit".. and if there was SIN in them, then the Holy Spirit would not be IN Them, nor would Christ.

So, sin is on your mind Robert, as you are the only one here discussing it.
Im only talking about the One who became sin for the born again.

You enjoy talking about sin.
So does 1stCenturyLady.
Both of you obsess on sin and works.

Real believers want to talk about what actually matters., as talking about SIN, is for sinners, not for Saints.

1. Do you do unrighteous works of the flesh?

2. If you do, are you condemned with other sinners doing the same thing.

3. If not, why not?

Real believers want to talk about what actually matters.,

Real doers want to talk about doing the word, and not just talk about what they like to think about the word.

as talking about SIN, is for sinners, not for Saints.

Tell that to God and Jesus Christ and His prophets and apostles, who talked about, warned about, and condemned about sinning from the first day The Lord told His son Adam, he would surely die in the day he sinned against Him.

You don't want to talk about the sinning you are doing, while trying to doctrinally speak yourself into being a righteous saint, while still doing unrighteous works of the flesh.

You just keep digging deeper and deeper into your own vain imagination.

 

[Behold]

I used to have an issue with sinning because I was sinning. And if I do go back to sinning, then I will need to confess it from the heart to Jesus to be forgiven by Him and reconciled to Him once again.

Never.

You can never be separated from God's Spirit, if you are born again into the Spirit of God, by God's Holy Spirit.
Spiritual UNION with GOD is ETERNAL.
Eternal life is not temporary.
There is no such thing as being separated Spiritually from God, once God Himself has birthed you into His Spirit.
There is no such thing as being "UN-BORN again" tho heretics will happily make you believe this can happen, as that makes their father the devil happy, when they deceive you that way.
And they do love to please their dark abba.

If you have not been born again, then confess your unbelief, (sin) and be born again by GOD, and then give God some praise for His Salvation that always keeps you as "the righteousness of GOD" 'IN Christ".

 

[1stCenturyLady]

We are all Christians that believe Jesus is the Christ, and we are all sinners that need to believe in Him all the time. But we are not sinners like others that do not believe Jesus is the Christ. Before Jesus saved me, I used to try and sin as much as possible, because I liked it so much, but now I hate it when I sin. I love Jesus being in my mind and heart and do not try to sin nor enjoy it, but I still do. When we sin we still believe Jesus is the Christ and our Savior, and we are not of the devil as others enjoying their sinning without any faith in Jesus.

I have no problem telling others I am a Christians sinner if they ask me. But I do not tell them I am of the devil nor a child of the devil when I do sin, because I don't enjoy it at all.

This is how we know who the children of God are and who the children of the devil are: Anyone who does not do what is right is not God's child, nor is anyone who does not love their brother and sister. (1 John 3.10)

Even when we are sinning, we still love Jesus and our fellow Christians and are not of the devil.

What you are reteaching from your false teachers is a doctrine of demons. Sinners do NOT go to heaven. That is why we need Jesus to free us from sin, not just cover our sin like the blood of bulls and goats.
1 John 3:8
8 He who sins is of the devil, for the devil has sinned from the beginning.

So, you are of the devil if you have never been freed from willful sinning by Jesus who was manifest (born) to take away our sin, and in Him there is no sin. We are no longer slaves to sin, but to righteousness, Romans 6, and God calls us now His children, not sinners. Sinners are slaves, and do not live forever in the house of God. John 8:32-36.

Jesus said, we must be born again. And it takes more than knowing who Jesus is. Satan doesn't care if you know about Jesus, just as long as you keep sinning. The devil knows he owns you when you willfully sin, and he owns many false teachers who seek out those with itching ears to fill their pews that will buy their false doctrines.

 

[Behold]

You don't want to talk about the sinning you are doing,.

You want to talk about sinning because that is your mind set.
It's not mine, robert.
See my Posts, Threads.....I only talk about sinning when i am teaching someone how to stop or i receive a post, and am invited to talk about it.
But then, i dont, i just talk about God's Righteousness.

Paul teaches that the sinner, is the 'old man who is crucified with Christ", and we are to "Reckon him dead".
Heretics like to talk about sinning, because they are owned by their old man.
And you would know Robert.

 

[robert derrick]

You want to talk about sinning because that is your mind set.
It's not mine, robert.
See my Posts, Threads.....I only talk about sinning when i am teaching someone how to stop or i receive a post, and am invited to talk about it.
But then, i dont, i just talk about God's Righteousness.

Paul teaches that the sinner, is the 'old man who is crucified with Christ", and we are to "Reckon him dead".
Heretics like to talk about sinning, because they are owned by their old man.
And you would know Robert.

1. Do you do unrighteous works of the flesh?

2. If you do, are you condemned with other sinners doing the same thing.

3. If not, why not?

 

[Behold]

1. Do you do unrighteous works of the flesh?2. If you do, are you condemned with other sinners doing the same thing.3. If not, why not?

Im not connected with any of that Robert.

No born again person is, yet, some don't understand the righteousness of God that is imputed to them so that they become "one with God" so they live on forums trying to teach Satan's theology that is.....

1.) you still have sin

2.) you can lose your salvation

3.) You have to confess over and over because Jesus didnt really forgive you on the Cross

4.) Predestined Elect

5.) You must join the Catholic Church, eat the Sacrament and drink the juice, and let the water wash away your sins, because the blood of Jesus didn't do this already 2000 yrs ago.

6.) There is no freewill.

7.) There is no Hell

8.) Keep the commandments to stay saved

9.) Endure to the end of the Tribulation to stay saved

10.) Faith saves you, not God.

11.) God saved you so that you can go back to the Old Testament and keep the Law

 

[robert derrick]

Im not connected with any of that Robert.

No born again person is, yet, some don't understand the righteousness of God that is imputed to them so that they become "one with God" so they live on forums trying to teach Satan's theology that is.....

1.) you still have sin

2.) you can lose your salvation

3.) You have to confess over and over because Jesus didnt really forgive you on the Cross

4.) Predestined Elect

5.) You must join the Catholic Church, eat the Sacrament and drink the juice, and let the water wash away your sins, because the blood of Jesus didn't do this already 2000 yrs ago.

6.) There is no freewill.

7.) There is no Hell

8.) Keep the commandments to stay saved

9.) Endure to the end of the Tribulation to stay saved

10.) Faith saves you, not God.

11.) God saved you so that you can go back to the Old Testament and keep the Law

Right. Not connected to it. As in it means nothing to you. As you say, you don't want to talk about it.

You just can't spit it out and answer the questions honestly, as any honest saint or sinner would do.

1. Do you do unrighteous works of the flesh?

2. Is there anyone on earth condemned by God, for doing unrighteous works of the flesh?

3. If you do an unrighteous work of the flesh, are you condemned with any others doing the same thing.

4. If not, why not?

You can just say you cannot tell, and that will suffice.

 

[Behold]

God hasn't forgiven the world, because the world and the friends of the world are still His enemies. No one can forgive an enemy while being attacked by them.

God saves SINNERS.
Christ came to save SINNERS.
All sinners are enemies of God, ungodly.
That is everyone.

God saves us when "we were YET Ungodly".
We didnt go to Jesus because we were living Holy, we went to the Cross when we were sinners and God saved us, forgave us, and gave us His Righteousness because we gave our FAITH to God..
"Faith is counted AS Righteousness"...

Jesus literally becomes our SIN, and is judged for them all on the Cross, and the BELIEVER is given Christ's righteousness, as "the Gift of Righteousness".
And we are given this while we are yet sinners......... and we become a "new Creation in Christ". "Made Righteous". "born again".

Understand that God came here, in Christ, and died on the Cross for the sin of the entire world of people....from 2000+ yrs ago, right until today and tomorrow.
So, sin is forgiven them, but this forgiveness is not applied to everyone. Its only applied to the BELIEVER who gives God their Faith in Christ, who then becomes born again by the Spirit of God.

 

[Behold]

Right. Not connected to it. As in it means nothing to you. As you say, you don't want to talk about it.

I can talk about your sin, if you like, but mine are on the Cross of Christ where Jesus died for them all after He "became sin".
Thats the truth, and that is the final answer.
Jesus became my sin, and my old man is crucified with Christ, as Paul teaches.

I'm "In Christ", as are all the born again., and this is not related to the old man of sin, as i told you a few times already.

 

[Behold]

Right. Not connected to it. As in it means nothing to you. As you say, you don't want to talk about it.You just can't spit it out and answer the questions honestly, as any honest saint or sinner would do.
1. Do you do unrighteous works of the flesh?2. Is there anyone on earth condemned by God, for doing unrighteous works of the flesh?
3. If you do an unrighteous work of the flesh, are you condemned with any others doing the same thing.4. If not, why not?You can just say you cannot tell, and that will suffice.

1. Do you do unrighteous works of the flesh?

There is no need, as im born again and do not follow the world or the Devil.
Also, my faith is not broken, and so, im not "in the flesh" trying to keep myself saved.
If i was that one, then i would have issues with my flesh, as the flesh is empowered to commit carnality if you believe you can lose your salvation.
This is broken faith and broken faith has no power to live as "Christ always gives me the Victory".


2. Is there anyone on earth condemned by God, for doing unrighteous works of the flesh?

""All have sinned and fallen short of the Glory of God.""

No person is condemned to hell for doing works of the flesh.
They are condemned to Hell for only this.....

John 3:36


3. If you do an unrighteous work of the flesh, are you condemned with any others doing the same thing.


"There is now no condemnation to those who are IN Christ". = all the born again.



4. If not, why not?

See #3 answer