The beliefs of the early Chiliasts were the antithesis of modern Premil

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Racist?

Is not eliminating the future Jew from God's promise, "racist"?
Is not declaring that God has a people determined by race, racist?
Is not perpetuating a racial divide between Jew and Gentile, which Christ has abolished, racist?
Is not perpetuating a racial divide between Jew and Gentile, which has been demonstrated both empirically and mathematically to be fallacious, racist?

That's three.
 

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Questions:
Can God reinstate the Jews in Jerusalem and saved every one of the from the least to the greatest and cause witnessing too each other to know the Lord to cease?

Can God reinstate the memorial sacrifices again?

If you say "no", you don't believe the Bible.
 

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Is not declaring that God has a people determined by race, racist?
Is not perpetuating a racial divide between Jew and Gentile, which Christ has abolished, racist?
Is not perpetuating a racial divide between Jew and Gentile, which has been demonstrated both empirically and mathematically to be fallacious, racist?

That's three.
Was Jesus racist when he called the woman a dog?


And, behold, a woman of Canaan came out of the same coasts, and cried unto him, saying, Have mercy on me, O Lord, thou Son of David; my daughter is grievously vexed with a devil.
[23] But he answered her not a word. And his disciples came and besought him, saying, Send her away; for she crieth after us.
[24] But he answered and said, I am not sent but unto the lost sheep of the house of Israel.

But he answered and said, It is not meet to take the children's bread, and to cast it to dogs.
[27] And she said, Truth,
 

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Has the whole Law been removed for saints or just portions of it?

How many times do I need to tell you and how many times are you going to avoid the obvious? You do not seem to have the ability to understand the difference between the moral law and the ceremonial law. The moral law points the sinner to Christ. It is still active. The ceremonial law has been abolished through the death of Christ and the introduction of the new covenant.
 
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How many times do I need to tell you how many times are you going to avoid the obvious? You do not seem to have the ability to understand the difference between the moral law and the ceremonial law. The moral law points the sinner to Christ. It is still active. The ceremonial law has been abolished through the death of Christ and the introduction of the new covenant.
Where in YOUR BIBLE does it show a distiction of 3 parts of the Law?

You teach it, now give me the verse.

Not what some PHD told you in seminary.
 

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Someone show me a verse that says that the ceremonial and judicial Law is done away, but the moral Law is still in effect?

Howbout a verse that says the judicial and moral Law is still in effect but only the cereminial is done away?


If no verse, you teach major error and are rebuked by James...


10 For whosoever shall keep the whole law, and yet offend in one point, he is guilty of all.
 

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Did the Aposle Paul teach the Law was the Prophets?...


1 Cor 14:21 In the law it is written, With men of other tongues and other lips will I speak unto this people; and yet for all that will they not hear me, saith the Lord.


Did Jesus teach the Jews that the Law was Psalms?....


John 10:34 Jesus answered them, Is it not written in your law, I said, Ye are gods?



Now, do all YOU teach the Prophets and Pslams are the Law, also???

If not, you are not teaching the truth.
 

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Has the whole Law been removed for saints or just portions of it?

You cannot support your error with one single Scripture - because it is not in the Bible. It is in your head. It is a fairy tale. Your teachers have deceived you.

Animal sacrifices were a forward-pointing signpost to Calvary. They made atonement for Israel's sin. They cleansed the sinner outwardly. They covered the sin of God's people temporarily until the promise came. They sanctified the people of God. Then they were rendered redundant by the cross-work.

Hebrews 9:8-11 says, "while as the first tabernacle was yet standing: Which was a figure for the time then present, in which were offered both gifts and sacrifices, that could not make him that did the service perfect, as pertaining to the conscience; Which stood only in meats and drinks, and divers washings, and carnal ordinances, imposed on them until the time of reformation. But Christ being come an high priest of good things to come, by a greater and more perfect tabernacle, not made with hands, that is to say, not of this building"

Whether you interpret the word "figure" as symbol is secondary, the fact is the old covenant and all its trappings is gone forever. The blood sacrifices simply pointed forward to Christ! All of the sacrifices, ceremonies, and methods of worship, which related to the law of commandments in the temple, were mere shadows of the reality that God provided in the person of the Lord Jesus Christ coming. These old covenant ordinances could never satisfactorily fulfil the eternal plan of God for mankind. This is seen in the fact that Jesus abolished these through His work on the cross. Everything was accomplished through Jesus' death. These Old Testament rites simply served as a shadow of Christ and His real and final sacrifice. All of these types came to an end at Calvary when the ancient covenant was completely fulfilled. The New Testament makes it very plain that the old covenant, including its temple ritual and its priesthood, pointed to a greater reality in Christ.

The Hebrew writer is constantly pointing the Jews away from the now worthless abolished old arrangement and towards Christ who is the fulfilment. Once the reality and substance came the type and shadow were rendered useless. Christ is the substance, the true and the real. Colossians 2:16-17 confirms: “Let no man therefore judge you in meat, or in drink, or in respect of an holyday, or of the new moon, or of the sabbath days: Which are a shadow of things to come; but the body is of Christ.”

Hebrews makes it clear that the Old Testament sacrifices were a shadow of “good things to come” not ‘a millennial memorial of things that have already been’ as Premil requires.

By their very nature they looked forward to the cross in the old covenant.

To bring back the old covenant is to undermine the new covenant reality. I am suggesting that your location and interpretation of Ezekiel is in error and cannot be located after the cross that abolished sin offerings.

Christ has removed the whole purpose of animal sacrifices. They were simply a signpost to the cross. Hebrews 10:1-2 makes it perfectly clear, “For the law having a shadow of good things to come, and not the very image of the things, can never with those sacrifices which they offered year by year continually make the comers thereunto perfect. For then would they not have ceased to be offered? because that the worshippers once purged should have had no more conscience of sins.”

Calvary completely finished the Old Testament shadow and type. That is why there is no more sacrifice for sin. I find your belief extraordinary. Honestly! This belief should not be allowed on an evangelical site. It is a direct assault upon the cross. It undermines the finished work of Christ. It abrogates the new covenant.

How will animal sacrifices atone for Israel's sin in your so-called future millennium? In what way?
 
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Don't you believe in replacement biology? How else do you identify your "Israel" and "Jews" if not by biology?

Well as you made it up, I do not recognize it.

But I do recognize the bible and Gods everlasting promises to the ethnic nation we kn ow as Jews. When God makes an everlasting promise and puts no provisions in that covenant or promise (like He did with the Mosaic Covenant), then we know when God said "it shall come to pass", it will come to pass.
 

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Was Jesus racist when he called the woman a dog?


And, behold, a woman of Canaan came out of the same coasts, and cried unto him, saying, Have mercy on me, O Lord, thou Son of David; my daughter is grievously vexed with a devil.
[23] But he answered her not a word. And his disciples came and besought him, saying, Send her away; for she crieth after us.
[24] But he answered and said, I am not sent but unto the lost sheep of the house of Israel.

But he answered and said, It is not meet to take the children's bread, and to cast it to dogs.
[27] And she said, Truth,
Did Jesus feed dogs?
 

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Well as you made it up, I do not recognize it.

But I do recognize the bible and Gods everlasting promises to the ethnic nation we kn ow as Jews. When God makes an everlasting promise and puts no provisions in that covenant or promise (like He did with the Mosaic Covenant), then we know when God said "it shall come to pass", it will come to pass.
How do you recognize an ethnic Jew?

Hint: Look in your mirror.
 
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Okay, so the bad Jews cannot be saved according to Jer 31 in Israel today, but only the good ones?

Or,

Are they in the same situation as you were?
Do they confess their sins according to 1 John 1:9?
 

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Where in YOUR BIBLE does it show a distiction of 3 parts of the Law?

You teach it, now give me the verse.

Not what some PHD told you in seminary.

You are way out of your depth in this discussion. That is why you're contradicting yourself so much. That is why you don't have any Scripture to support your wild claims.

There is a big difference between the moral law and the ceremonial law. The moral law encompasses God’s regulations that govern human conduct, and includes the Ten Commandments. Moses receives the Law of God in Exodus 19:1–20:21. In fact, this Law revealed to Moses on the mountain became known as “the Law of Moses” (1 Kings 2:3; Ezra 7:6; Luke 2:22).

The ceremonial law describes the rites, ordinances, temple customs and offices that were given to Israel in the Old Testament as an expression of their outward worship of God. This covered the annual religious feasts and festivals. This embodied the elaborate animal sacrifice system.

God gave the ceremonial law as a temporal old covenant shadow and type of the persona and work of the coming Messiah 2000 years ago. These ordinances that included various sacrifices and offerings such as burnt offering, peace offering, sin offering, trespass offering, meat offering and drink offerings (see Leviticus 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7, 23).
 

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How do you recognize an ethnic Jew?

Hint: Look in your mirror.

We don't have to recognize an ethnic Jew- god can and He is the one who does the regathering that has been taking place since 1948.

And i have the posts you cited inanother thread about the world having Jewish blood. It was filled with maybes and possiblies and could bes and guessing as to not even make it worthy of being a valid hypothesis to pursue.
 

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You comment too much.

This is how false doctrine is created.

The right way to comment is post alot of verses and let them speak for themselves like I do.

I don't talk anyone into trying to redefine the actual words like you do.

Nothing left for you to do but whine.

Thanks for the guffaw.
 

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Did Jesus feed dogs?

did God promise a physical kingdom to Israel and said it would come to pass????

Jesus used a well recognized euphemism for Gentiles.

show me what euphemism means that God promising the nation of Israel a kingdom applies to the church especially in the OT
 

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We don't have to recognize an ethnic Jew- god can and He is the one who does the regathering that has been taking place since 1948.

And i have the posts you cited inanother thread about the world having Jewish blood. It was filled with maybes and possiblies and could bes and guessing as to not even make it worthy of being a valid hypothesis to pursue.
Yes, we don't have to recognize an ethnic Jew, because every person on earth is an ethnic Jew.

Confirmed empirically and mathematically.
 

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did God promise a physical kingdom to Israel and said it would come to pass????

Jesus used a well recognized euphemism for Gentiles.

show me what euphemism means that God promising the nation of Israel a kingdom applies to the church especially in the OT
Complete irrelevance.
 

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Yes, we don't have to recognize an ethnic Jew, because every person on earth is an ethnic Jew.

Confirmed empirically and mathematically.


Wrong on both counts.

Mathematics will onpy prove your calculations correct or not. Teh results are only as good as the numbers plugged in.

Mathematics will always produce a correct answer, but it may have no bearing on reality!

but if you have empirical proof that every person is an ethnic Jew, I am willing to look and learn.
 

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Wrong on both counts.

Mathematics will onpy prove your calculations correct or not. Teh results are only as good as the numbers plugged in.

Mathematics will always produce a correct answer, but it may have no bearing on reality!

but if you have empirical proof that every person is an ethnic Jew, I am willing to look and learn.
Provide a link to any credible disproof.
 
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