Be born again to be whose child?

[Pearl]

Hebrews 2:11
Both the one who makes people holy and those who are made holy are of the same family. So Jesus is not ashamed to call them brothers and sisters.

Romans 8:29
For those God foreknew he also predestined to be conformed to the image of his Son, that he might be the firstborn among many brothers and sisters.

 

[ScottA]

I agree. Bible says that the children of God will be known in a future revelation (Rom. 8:19). Now everybody is claiming a filial relationship ...

I suspect you are intending to say that the matter is entirely future. Is that correct?

However, do remember that Paul in the same passage (2,000 years ago) referred to himself and others, saying "we who are alive and remain", meaning alive in the Spirit.

 

[Pearl]

Biblical background. Don't you notice it?

Are you a JW, ie of the Watchtower persuasion?

 

[ElieG12]

Hebrews 2:11
Both the one who makes people holy and those who are made holy are of the same family. So Jesus is not ashamed to call them brothers and sisters.

Romans 8:29
For those God foreknew he also predestined to be conformed to the image of his Son, that he might be the firstborn among many brothers and sisters.

Exactly. Born again Christians are Jesus' brothers.

Can a born again Christian consider himself "brother of God"?

 

[ElieG12]

I suspect you are intending to say that the matter is entirely future. Is that correct?

However, do remember that Paul in the same passage (2,000 years ago) referred to himself and others, saying "we who are alive and remain", meaning alive in the Spirit.

Not really ... not entirely. But read what John said:

1 John 3:1 See what sort of love the Father has given us, that we should be called children of God! And that is what we are. That is why the world does not know us, because it has not come to know him. 2 Beloved ones, we are now children of God, but it has not yet been made manifest what we will be. We do know that when he is made manifest we will be like him, because we will see him just as he is. 3 And everyone who has this hope in him purifies himself, just as that one is pure.

 

[ScottA]

Exactly. Born again Christians are Jesus' brothers.

Can a born again Christian consider himself "brother of God"?

Yes...even One with God.

 

[Pearl]

Exactly. Born again Christians are Jesus' brothers.

Can a born again Christian consider himself "brother of God"?

I am a child of God adopted into His family and an heir with Jesus who is my brother by adoption. Nobody I know has claimed to be a brother of God the Father. But of God the Son.

 

[ElieG12]

Yes...(...)

Mmmmh. Never heard a human can be brother of God. Now I just did
Thanks for letting me know what you believe.

 

[ElieG12]

I am a child of God. But you say Jesus isn'

I am a child of God adopted into His family and an heit with Jesus who is my brother by adoption. Nobody I know has claimed to be a brother of God the Father. But of God the Son.

I heard trinitarians believe in only one God.

If you say you are brother of "God the Son" and not brother of God the Father, then you are talking about TWO GODS, not one.

 

[ElieG12]

Now, if born again Christians are Jesus' brothers and children of God, what are they of the other God, the third supposed person in God, the Holy Spirit? Children, brothers, friends?

 

[ScottA]

Not really ... not entirely. But read what John said:

1 John 3:1 See what sort of love the Father has given us, that we should be called children of God! And that is what we are. That is why the world does not know us, because it has not come to know him. 2 Beloved ones, we are now children of God, but it has not yet been made manifest what we will be. We do know that when he is made manifest we will be like him, because we will see him just as he is. 3 And everyone who has this hope in him purifies himself, just as that one is pure.

Okay. And yet it must be understood that John spoke to and about two different groups of people, each being drawn differently by God during different times:

John spoke those words during the time of being on the cusp of change between those who from Adam to Christ were born before salvation had come, and those after the time of His resurrection and ascension and the coming of the Holy Spirit where salvation began while those born in the flesh might also be born [again] of the spirit of God, which began at Pentecost as promised by Christ who paid the price fulfilling what is written of Him who would baptize with the Holy Spirit, which being of God is unto eternal life, meaning salvation.​

 

[marks]

I agree. Bible says that the children of God will be known in a future revelation (Rom. 8:19). Now everybody is claiming a filial relationship ...

It doesn't matter what people say, people say all sorts of things. What matters is what God says.

Romans 8:15-17 KJV
15) For ye have not received the spirit of bondage again to fear; but ye have received the Spirit of adoption, whereby we cry, Abba, Father.
16) The Spirit itself beareth witness with our spirit, that we are the children of God:
17) And if children, then heirs; heirs of God, and joint-heirs with Christ; if so be that we suffer with him, that we may be also glorified together.

What is God telling you? Do you have this testimony?

Much love!

 

[ScottA]

Mmmmh. Never heard a human can be brother of God. Now I just did
Thanks for letting me know what you believe.

I don't tell "what I believe." I have my own opinion about a lot of things...but not when it comes to the truth about God. Believing is believing because it is not knowing. If I didn't know I would tell you, but if I tell you, it is because I know it from God.

 

[ScottA]

Now, if born again Christians are Jesus' brothers and children of God, what are they of the other God, the third supposed person in God, the Holy Spirit? Children, brothers, friends?

People believe in all sorts of things, and every theory has many followers. But it would appear that you are under the wrong impression about the Oneness of God and the different manner He has introduced Himself. Some would and do refer to each as three persons.

All of this comes from leaning on our own understanding, that is, from looking at things from the perspective of being born within this created world. We are like ink spots or animated characters seeing Jesus and thinking, "See, He's created too, only the image of Him, therefore He is not God." But if I said, "The image on the left of your screen is me, and I am also me--I am one"... we all know and understand that both are true according to the identity of me being one. But with God doing the same, we don't understand--though we ought to...BECAUSE HE DREW US A PICTURE for crying out loud, even saying "I and the Father are One"--just as I have also done. Even so, many do not understand.

But don't be confused by His breaking it down as if speaking to children. Because He is. He first introduced Himself as [One] God, then He introduced Jesus as His Son (meaning "of" Him), and then Jesus in turn in the fulness of time also introduced the Holy Spirit (referring to the spirit of the One who is holy), calling each one by name. And being like children we are expected to understand that Daddy is first known as Daddy; and when we are in public, he is also known as Mister; and when at work he is known rather by his Title. The point being that even in the image of God created in us, a man with children...is all three: a father, a man, and son.

Still, many do not understand.

 

[ElieG12]

(...) Still, many do not understand.

I wouldn't say that in my case is "not understanding", since God himself is very interested on making himself enough understandable to everyone, so everyone has the chance to live forever ...

I just don't accept any irrational idea people have without even demonstrate it logically with the Word of God. I see you didn't quote a single biblical text in that last post.

 

[ScottA]

I wouldn't say that in my case is "not understanding", since God himself is very interested on making himself enough understandable to everyone, so everyone has the chance to live forever ...

I just don't accept any irrational idea people have without even demonstrate it logically with the Word of God. I see you didn't quote a single biblical text in that last post.

If you have not seen the scriptures in what I just wrote...you do not know them well enough, as I was speaking of man being created in the image of God, which needs no quotation.

As for God making Himself understandably known to everyone, have you not read that He confused all language at Babel, and that He has intended that the scriptures are foolishness to the natural man and must be discerned spiritually? (Rhetorical) I know you have. Which means you are not fully reconciling all that is written and need to be reminded.

Which is not bad for a first day!

Sorry for being so forthright.

 

[ElieG12]

It doesn't matter what people say, people say all sorts of things. What matters is what God says.

Romans 8:15-17 KJV
15) For ye have not received the spirit of bondage again to fear; but ye have received the Spirit of adoption, whereby we cry, Abba, Father.
16) The Spirit itself beareth witness with our spirit, that we are the children of God:
17) And if children, then heirs; heirs of God, and joint-heirs with Christ; if so be that we suffer with him, that we may be also glorified together.

What is God telling you? Do you have this testimony?

Much love!

Thanks for quoting the text. It is beautiful.

Mormons say they feel the spirit of God when they are reading their other books and feel a heat in their back.

I am more of a rationalistic person, not the gullible kind. I am looking for real biblical arguments that make sense, because I don't think God talk in riddles to special emotionalistic people.

As I say before, no matter what people say, the children of God will be known in the future (Rom. 8:19). That the Bible says, something real, not emotions, heats and wannabes.

 

[ElieG12]

If you have not seen the scriptures in what I just wrote...you do not know them well enough, as I was speaking of man being created in the image of God, which needs no quotation.

As for God making Himself understandably known to everyone, have you not read that He confused all language at Babel, and that He has intended that the scriptures are foolishness to the natural man and must be discerned spiritually? (Rhetorical) I know you have. Which means you are not fully reconciling all that is written and need to be reminded.

Which is not bad for a first day!

Sorry for being so forthright.

Don't be ... Not biblical text here either.
Sorry if I don't say AMEN to everything I read.

 

[ElieG12]

What I mean with "biblical text" and "arguments that make sense" is something like this:

1) In John 20:17 Jesus calls his disciples BROTHERS,
2) Then he say he is ascending to his Father and their Father; normal, since if they are brothers they have the same Father
3) BUT Jesus says also that is his God and their God,
4) So the conclusion is: there is one God, who is the Father of Jesus and of all Jesus' brothers.

Born again is become part of that family.

Something like that is what I am sharing and looking for in others.

 

[marks]

Thanks for quoting the text. It is beautiful.

Mormons say they feel the spirit of God when they are reading their other books and feel a heat in their back.

I am more of a rationalistic person, not the gullible kind. I am looking for real biblical arguments that make sense, because I don't think God talk in riddles to special emotionalistic people.

As I say before, no matter what people say, the children of God will be known in the future (Rom. 8:19). That the Bible says, something real, not emotions, heats and wannabes.

Is this to say that the Holy Spirit does not testify to you that you are a child of God? Something to think about . . .

Much love!