The beliefs of the early Chiliasts were the antithesis of modern Premil

[WPM]

Covenants, scriptures ... and nothing personal ...
The Millennial Kingdom

You have nothing in response to the truth. Why am i not surprised?

 

[WPM]

I only agree with the Prophets that prophecied the return of sacrifices when Jesus returns.

You must think Jesus will hire an advertising agency to have folks continually remember his sacrifice, since he said to only practice the Lord's supper UNTIL HE RETURNS...

Wow! This sums up why every Christian should reject Premillennialism. Defending the doctrine is more important than biblical truth. Premillennialists are more interested in proving what it believes rather than letting the Bible speak for itself. Thanks for confirming what most of us already know!

This statement leaves you in a very precarious position of having to reject all the prophets because none of them “prophesied the return of sacrifices when Jesus returns.”

To present ‘supporting the reintroduction of mass bloodletting of innocent animals for the sins of God’s people in a future millennium’ as the litmus test for you accepting or rejecting the biblical writers is scandalous and heretical. This exposes your faulty approach to Scripture.

 

[WPM]

Since the lamb was slain from the foundation of the world, Abel's offering was a memorial.

It is like being baptized in the name of Jesus as a memorial to Jesus death.

They duped you into thinking that the lamb was NOT slain from the foundation of the world, and that God cannot transcend time.

You do not seem to grasp simple spiritual truths. This simply means that the Lamb was foreordained from the foundation of the world, just like our salvation. But, the Lamb of God was not slain until Calvary. This is 101 Christianity. Once again you avoid addressing every single argument and embracing every single Scripture.

 

[WPM]

So, where does your Bible say that only the ceremonial Law is ended and the rest are intact?

Do you agree with the moral Law parts that command burning homosexuals and stoning adulterers?

Howbout Sabbath? Which category does that fall under, since we can kill folks for not adhering to it?

Please expound on these Laws.

I just showed you it. Those who have eyes to see will see. Those who do not will not. There is no one as blind as one who cannot see!!!

 

[Truth7t7]

Wow! This sums up why every Christian should reject Premillennialism. Defending the doctrine is more important than biblical truth.

I say the same about those promoting and teaching reformed "Preterist" eschatology in 66-70AD fulfillment

 

[Ronald David Bruno]

What you're not understanding is that the blindness of any given Israelite is not permanent. They still have the opportunity to repent. Do you understand that some of those who were cut off back then in Paul's day later repented and became saved? They were grafted back in. That is what Paul was talking about when talking about Israelites being grafted back in. Why do you think he was only talking about the future when he talked about that?

I didn't say the blindness was permanent. The scripture says "to this day" (which Paul wrote at least two decades after the death and resurrection) and that all Israel will be saved when the fullness of the Gentiles comes in. That is about to happen on out generation.

But, you're saying the Israelites will no longer be blinded at that point and will be saved. No. That contradicts all the scriptures which indicate that Christ will destroy His enemies when He returns. They won't have any time to repent at that point.

Scripture says "all Israel will be saved". So it is referring a remnant, not 15 million, 1/3. It is an event that will occur, a mass amount like what happened at Pentecost. Of course God lifted the veil of Jews one by one for the last 1990 years as they turned to Christ. So when does it happen? When "every eye sees Him coming in the clouds".

<scripture> then my comment: Israel of the Jewish bloodline) are the remnant to be saved AFTER the Gentiles are full _ complete _ everyone in the Book of Life accounted for).

Be careful, you displayed scripture with my content - some my think it is yours!

So, it's wrong to think that the ones who are blinded are permanently blinded and then one day God will remove the blindness completely and make it so that none of them are blinded anymore. That is not at all what Paul was saying.

Who thinks that? The Parisee, who rejected Jesus and put Him to death was blind and remained blind be ause Jesus cursed him to the Gehenna (hell). Amy Jew in any generation who was draw to Christ was saved. No one can come to salvation unless God draws them first. So whoever was saved was ordained by God. Ro.. 11 is stating that "all Israel" will be saved at His return, which will be when the fullness of the Gentile age as been complete.

 

[Truther]

Wow! This sums up why every Christian should reject Premillennialism. Defending the doctrine is more important than biblical truth. Premillennialists are more interested in proving what it believes rather than letting the Bible speak for itself. Thanks for confirming what most of us already know!

This statement leaves you in a very precarious position of having to reject all the prophets because none of them “prophesied the return of sacrifices when Jesus returns.”

To present ‘supporting the reintroduction of mass bloodletting of innocent animals for the sins of God’s people in a future millennium’ as the litmus test for you accepting or rejecting the biblical writers is scandalous and heretical. This exposes your faulty approach to Scripture.

Read the Ezekiel 45 prophecy of the return of the sacrifices in the Millennial reign and weep.

 

[Truther]

You do not seem to grasp simple spiritual truths. This simply means that the Lamb was foreordained from the foundation of the world, just like our salvation. But, the Lamb of God was not slain until Calvary. This is 101 Christianity. Once again you avoid addressing every single argument and embracing every single Scripture.

No, it does not say "foreordained", which means you don't agree with the Bible wording.

As a matter of fact, in Psalm 22, God actually saw the death of Jesus and describes it in detail.

This is the way folks redefine the Bible.

This is how new age religions are formed.

 

[Truther]

I just showed you it. Those who have eyes to see will see. Those who do not will not. There is no one as blind as one who cannot see!!!

You must show me a verse on how the OT Law is broken into 3 parts.

You failed so far.

 

[covenantee]

They will when Jesus returns to save every single one of them from the least to the greatest per Jer 31.

As a matter of fact, because Jesus will be visible to them and communicate with them verbally, they shall cease saying "know the Lord" for they shall all know him. Witnessing to their neighbors will officially cease.

No. If they reject His salvation today, they are without hope.

If they listen to dispensational fabrications and delay, they will be without hope.

2 Corinthians 6:2
(For he saith, I have heard thee in a time accepted, and in the day of salvation have I succoured thee: behold, now is the accepted time; behold, now is the day of salvation.)

 

[covenantee]

Jesus called the gentile woman a dog.

Is that okay?

Answer the question.

Did Jesus feed dogs?

 

[WPM]

You must show me a verse on how the OT Law is broken into 3 parts.

You failed so far.

I didn't say that, so why should I have to justify it? You have ducked around so much Scripture you should be ashamed of your self.

 

[WPM]

No, it does not say "foreordained", which means you don't agree with the Bible wording.

As a matter of fact, in Psalm 22, God actually saw the death of Jesus and describes it in detail.

This is the way folks redefine the Bible.

This is how new age religions are formed.

Your fight is constantly with Scripture. You should write your own Bible. The KJV is obviously not up to your standard.

1Pe 1:19 But with the precious blood of Christ, as of a lamb without blemish and without spot:
1Pe 1:20 Who verily was foreordained before the foundation of the world, but was manifest in these last times for you,

 

[WPM]

Read the Ezekiel 45 prophecy of the return of the sacrifices in the Millennial reign and weep.

1. Where does it state in Ezekiel that these sacrifices are future?
2. Where does it mention in Ezekiel some future millennium?
3. Where does it say in Ezekiel that these are "memorial"?

 

[Ronald Nolette]

Provide a link to any credible disproof.

I cannot link to a negative! teh numbers mean nothing if they are not accurate and you they are not! They are based on what ifs, assumptions and could bes. The mathematical results have a 0-100% probability of being accurate and neither you nor I know how much.

but provide the empirical links that prove we are Jews and we can discuss.

 

[Ronald Nolette]

More of your grammatical entertainment.

"Dog" was (and still is) a Jewish racist dysphemism for "Gentile".

Keep that entertainment coming.

that is right and He told that gentile woman should he give what is for the children to dogs (gentiles). Jesus knew what He said and why He said it! He doesn't make errors.

I know you loathe following grammatic rules but they are empirical facts.

 

[WPM]

provide the empirical links that prove we are Jews and we can discuss.

How many times do you need to see the truth and how many times do you need to reject the truth?

1. I have showed you previously that we have been grafted into 'an Israeli tree' (Romans 9-11). Is that an ethnic or spiritual tree?
2. I have showed you previously that we who were once aliens from the "citizenship of Israel" have now been brought in through the blood of Christ to that privileged place (Ephesians 2). Is that ethnic or spiritual Israel?
3. I have showed you previously that Jew and Gentile alike, have now been graciously merged together into "the Israel of God" (Galatians 6:15-16). Is that ethnic or spiritual Israel?
4. I have showed you previously that we are 'Jews' and we are "the circumcision" today (Romans 2:25-29; Philippians 3:3 and Colossians 2:11). Is that ethnic or spiritual Jews?
5. I have showed you previously that we are "the children of Abraham" (Romans 4:11; 4:13-15; 4:16-18; 9:6-8; Galatians 3:7-9; 3:12-14; 3:16 and 3:26-29) today. Are we the ethnic or spiritual "children of Abraham"?
6. I have showed you previously that we now reside and abide in "Jerusalem" and "Mount Zion" (Matthew 21:42-46; John 3:3; Romans 9:33; 11:26; Ephesians 1:3; Ephesians 2:4-6; Philippians 3:20; Hebrews 12:22 and 1 Peter 2:5-10). Is that natural physical earthly "Jerusalem" and "Mount Zion" or is that spiritual heavenly "Jerusalem" and "Mount Zion"?

 

[Ronald Nolette]

Paul contrasted two Israels here. One was the physical nation of Israel. I highlighted the references to that Israel and the ones who are part of that Israel in red. The other is what many of us call spiritual Israel. I highlighted the references to that Israel and the ones who are part of that Israel in blue.

Notice that Paul said "not all who are descended from Israel are Israel". That statement would make no sense at all if there were not two Israels. What he was saying is that not all who are naturally and physically descended from the nation of Israel are part of spiritual Israel. Why not? He explained that. It's because "it is not the children by physical descent who are God's children". So, he made it clear there that nationality has nothing to do with being a child of God. Instead, "it is the children of the promise" who are "God's children" and "Abraham's offspring".

Well it makes sense because their is physical Israel which is all descendants of Abraham Isaac and Jacob. Then their is spiritual Israel which is composed of the saved remnant of Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob. Paul made that clear in romans that He has not abandoned national Israel. For there has always been a faithful remanat.

But like it says in the New Covenant:

Jeremiah 31:31-34
King James Version

31 Behold, the days come, saith the Lord, that I will make a new covenant with the house of Israel, and with the house of Judah:

32 Not according to the covenant that I made with their fathers in the day that I took them by the hand to bring them out of the land of Egypt; which my covenant they brake, although I was an husband unto them, saith the Lord:

33 But this shall be the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel; After those days, saith the Lord, I will put my law in their inward parts, and write it in their hearts; and will be their God, and they shall be my people.

34 And they shall teach no more every man his neighbour, and every man his brother, saying, Know the Lord: for they shall all know me, from the least of them unto the greatest of them, saith the Lord: for I will forgive their iniquity, and I will remember their sin no more.


There is a day coming when National Israel down to the last soul will get saved! Thus said the Lord here.


Zechariah 13:8-9
King James Version

8 And it shall come to pass, that in all the land, saith the Lord, two parts therein shall be cut off and die; but the third shall be left therein.

9 And I will bring the third part through the fire, and will refine them as silver is refined, and will try them as gold is tried: they shall call on my name, and I will hear them: I will say, It is my people: and they shall say, The Lord is my God.


We know that the entire nation will be reduced by 2/3 before they are all saved.

Ezekiel 20:33-38
King James Version

33 As I live, saith the Lord God, surely with a mighty hand, and with a stretched out arm, and with fury poured out, will I rule over you:

34 And I will bring you out from the people, and will gather you out of the countries wherein ye are scattered, with a mighty hand, and with a stretched out arm, and with fury poured out.

35 And I will bring you into the wilderness of the people, and there will I plead with you face to face.

36 Like as I pleaded with your fathers in the wilderness of the land of Egypt, so will I plead with you, saith the Lord God.

37 And I will cause you to pass under the rod, and I will bring you into the bond of the covenant:

38 And I will purge out from among you the rebels, and them that transgress against me: I will bring them forth out of the country where they sojourn, and they shall not enter into the land of Israel: and ye shall know that I am the Lord.


God is gathering them, and He is doing so in fury! Jews are still a hiss and by word in nearly every nation on the planet as god said they would be.

He is now regathering them back to their covenanted land and will purge out all the unbelievers, so that teh 1/3 that remain will know the Lord as it says in Jer. 31.

2 Corinthians 3:13-16
King James Version

13 And not as Moses, which put a veil over his face, that the children of Israel could not stedfastly look to the end of that which is abolished:

14 But their minds were blinded: for until this day remaineth the same vail untaken away in the reading of the old testament; which vail is done away in Christ.

15 But even unto this day, when Moses is read, the vail is upon their heart.

16 Nevertheless when it shall turn to the Lord, the vail shall be taken away.

Right now the mass of Israel still has the veil. But one day it will be lifted for the whole nation as the prophecies show.

When god says it shall come to pass, I will, or days are coming- you can take it to the bank it will happen as He said .

 

[covenantee]

I cannot link to a negative! teh numbers mean nothing if they are not accurate and you they are not! They are based on what ifs, assumptions and could bes. The mathematical results have a 0-100% probability of being accurate and neither you nor I know how much.

but provide the empirical links that prove we are Jews and we can discuss.

Awaiting your link.

 

[Ronald Nolette]

So, if you understand that God has never abandoned His people, why do you believe He will restore His people in the future? Why would He need to restore people when He never abandoned them in the first place? I wasn't lying, I was going by things you have said. Maybe you should try to be more clear.

Yes you were lying but you probably are incapable of recognizing it.

God has not abandoned His people. but I also read the rest of the bible to get the full meaning of what that means and do not resort to allegorical reinterpreting teh Scriptures to fit a preconceived doctrine.