A Form of godliness

[face2face]

Be smarter @Behold

Do we look like the angels?

"The like figure whereunto even baptism doth also now save us ... by the resurrection of Jesus Christ: who is gone into heaven, and is on the right hand of God; angels and authorities and powers being made subject (Genesis 1:28) unto him" (1 Peter 3:21-22)

Maybe you need to go back to Genesis and take another look? Job 38:7 - no wonder they rejoiced, after all, whose image are we made in?

Even Christ was made in their image! A little lower than them to begin with ;)

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[face2face]

If you are thinking I have an issue with a passage, please post that passage, and highlight or something the part you think I have an issue with, and tell me what you think that issue is, that will help me to know what you are talking about. I don't have any idea what point you are trying to make.

Much love!

It's clear from what you have written that you lack acknowledging that Genesis 3:22 is speaking about sin by experience!

Like Genesis 2:17. The name "Lord God" or Yahweh Elohim relates to the Elohim or "angels" (see Psalms 8:5 where Elohim is translated "angels") through whom Yahweh reveals Himself and implies that the Elohim had experience of both good and evil.

You can't run from this!

 

[marks]

It's clear from what you have written that you lack acknowledging that Genesis 3:22 is speaking about sin by experience!

So then you attribute sin to YHWH while I don't, or, you read "us", and do not include the speaker. This shows how each of us read the Bible differently. And that's why we have disagreements, we haven't agreed on how we should read the text, so we won't agree on what it says, therefore, what we think it means will be very different, as demonstrated here.

I look at where He says "Us", and that includes the speaker. First person plural. So that means YHWH, and whomever else may be included in that "us".

Much love!

 

[marks]

It's clear from what you have written that you lack acknowledging that Genesis 3:22 is speaking about sin by experience!

Like Genesis 2:17. The name "Lord God" or Yahweh Elohim relates to the Elohim or "angels" (see Psalms 8:5 where Elohim is translated "angels") through whom Yahweh reveals Himself and implies that the Elohim had experience of both good and evil.

You can't run from this!

YHWH is not an angel, and where are angels called YHWH?

Much love!

 

[face2face]

YHWH is not an angel, and where are angels called YHWH?

Much love!

So you failed to acknowledge the context is sin. That's a mark against you (pardon the pun!)
Then you suggest you dont understand that Elohim is referencing the angels?
Surely you have read Exodus 23:20-21? That angel bore Gods name!
I'm thinking your head is so filled with the Trinity over half the Bible is unknown to you.
Best you start reading Marks!
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[marks]

So you failed to acknowledge the context is sin. That's a mark against you (pardon the pun!)
Then you suggest you dont understand that Elohim is referencing the angels?
Surely you have read Exodus 23:20-21? That angel bore Gods name!
I'm thinking your head is so filled with the Trinity over half the Bible is unknown to you.
Best you start reading Marks!
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You are reading a lot into my words than what I'm putting there. Your "context of sin", again, I've asked you this several times now but you haven't done this,

Post the passage of Scripture and point to the wording you have in mind, and share what you have in mind.

And reverting to Ad Hominems, well, that won't get anything accomplished, only to say you have nothing left than that, maybe.

Much love!

 

[marks]

Then you suggest you dont understand that Elohim is referencing the angels?

YHWH is not an angel, and where are angels called YHWH?

Where did I do that? I said, angels are not called YHWH. And they are not, with one exception, the Messenger of YHWH.

Much love!

 

[face2face]

Where did I do that? I said, angels are not called YHWH. And they are not, with one exception, the Messenger of YHWH.

Much love!

O right now there is an exception! (shifting sands)
Try Psalms 97:7 we can keep this going if you like.
You are still yet to acknowledge Genesis 3:22 is in the context of sin!
Maybe you are working this out on the fly and stringing me along in the process?
Be honest.
Elohim is referencing the Angels!
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[face2face]

You are reading a lot into my words than what I'm putting there. Your "context of sin", again, I've asked you this several times now but you haven't done this,

Post the passage of Scripture and point to the wording you have in mind, and share what you have in mind.

And reverting to Ad Hominems, well, that won't get anything accomplished, only to say you have nothing left than that, maybe.

Much love!

Why cant you acknowledge that Genesis 3:22 are the angels stating the Adam and Eve have become like us to know good and evil? It's not difficult.
I mean even Christ said very specifically that you would become like one of the Angels. He promised that the approved shall become "equal unto the angels" in the Age to come (Luke 20:36).
I see where your hang up is!
The Trinity...deceives the mind and the text.
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[Wrangler]

You are reading a lot into my words than what I'm putting there.

Well, what is obvious from your words is your refusal to accept Elohim refers to heavenly beings, which include angels, not only to YHWH.

 

[face2face]

@marks
The reason you are struggling is your mind is not open to the Word of God.

In Psalms 8:5, the same word Elohim is translated "angels." And a comparison of Numbers 12:8 with Acts of the Apostles 7:38, or of Genesis 32:30 with Hosea 12:3-4, will show that the word Elohim, translated "God" relates to the angels, the representatives of the great Increate.

Get this right then you can move forward.

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[Earburner]

Many believe that under the OC, Jesus is seen incognito as being Michael the archangel. It may be also Jesus Himself, who is called the Angel of the LORD. To all of that, I tend to agree.

Dan.12[1] And at that time shall Michael stand up, the great prince which standeth for the children of thy people: and there shall be a time of trouble, such as never was since there was a nation even to that same time: and at that time thy people shall be delivered, every one that shall be found written in the book.

As for "the angel of the LORD", he is spoken of in 11 books of the OT at least 50 times, from Genesis to Zechariah.
As for being an "archangel", I can see how Jesus in His Eternal state, prior to being made flesh, He would be directly involved with the order of the angels, as being the overseer of them.

A direct hint to all the above as being true, is what Jesus said:
Luke.10[18] And he said unto them, I beheld Satan [past tense] as lightning fall from heaven.

 

[Behold]

How God decides to Create is up to Him...you said angels cant create -

Correct.
God is the Creator and Christ is the Word of Creation ... and Angels are just created beings.

 

[Earburner]

Correct.
God is the Creator and Christ is the Word of Creation ... and Angels are just created beings.

OK, but who is Michael the archangel to your understanding?
Daniel 12:1

 

[Behold]

OK, but who is Michael the archangel to your understanding?
Daniel 12:1

When discussing "Trinity stuff".... It really does not matter who Gabriel is or Michael, as they are created beings., not the CREATOR, and not the "Word who became flesh".
Now, if you want it to get interesting , then go deep and study Melchizedek, also spelled Melchisedech

 

[marks]

Elohim is referencing the Angels!

We were speaking of YHWH.

This is spinning in circles.

Much love!

 

[marks]

Well, what is obvious from your words is your refusal to accept Elohim refers to heavenly beings, which include angels, not only to YHWH.

You're on the same kick as the other one now, where are you getting this from?

Elohim is the mighty one, or mighty ones, and refers to whomever it does in context, of course.

But YHWH is not an angel, and is also known as Jesus.

Much love!

 

[marks]

The reason you are struggling is your mind is not open to the Word of God.

I'm sorry, I've tried to be interested in a discussion with you, but it's now working.

Much love!

 

[Wrangler]

You're on the same kick as the other one now, where are you getting this from?

We must have gone over this at least 6 times Mark.

 

[marks]

We must have gone over this at least 6 times Mark.

Over what? I'm sorry, I'm getting pretty confused by many posts that seem to wander all over the place.

What it seems to me is that I'm saying YHWH is not referring to angels, excepting the Messenger of YHWH, the "Angel of the LORD". And the argument against me is, "Yes, Elohim DOES refer to other than God".

So maybe you can simplify what this conversation is about?

Much love!