The lies about gen 6

[Timtofly]

Now you are adding things into teh text that did not appear , as if God needed you to correct the passage for HIm!

Humanity is still singular in genus and species! there is only one race of man- the human race!

And He created one male and one female to start all humanity rolling.

Now you are changing the text to declare "them" means only 2. And Eve was not created on the 6th day. Eve was taken out of Adam, after Adam named thousands of living things. How did Adam name all those animals in 12 hours? Besides the point, God planted the Garden where Adam named all the animals after the Day of the Lord.

The "them" are all the sons of God created on the 6th day. Eve was not created, but taken out of Adam, and after Adam named all the animals.

 

[Ronald Nolette]

Now you are changing the text to declare "them" means only 2. And Eve was not created on the 6th day. Eve was taken out of Adam, after Adam named thousands of living things. How did Adam name all those animals in 12 hours? Besides the point, God planted the Garden where Adam named all the animals after the Day of the Lord.

The "them" are all the sons of God created on the 6th day. Eve was not created, but taken out of Adam, and after Adam named all the animals.

No, I am not changing the text. I am reading it as written!

Letr me give you an example of them being only two. Sally and Billy went to the store. Joey went with them! Sally and Joey are singular, the them describes the two of them! Have you so lost basic reading skills as to not recognize basic 2nd grade grammar?

The them in Gen. 1:26 refers back to the male singular and the female singular. Not to an invisible unwritten clan of males and clan of females.

 

[BeyondET]

No, I am not changing the text. I am reading it as written!

Letr me give you an example of them being only two. Sally and Billy went to the store. Joey went with them! Sally and Joey are singular, the them describes the two of them! Have you so lost basic reading skills as to not recognize basic 2nd grade grammar?

The them in Gen. 1:26 refers back to the male singular and the female singular. Not to an invisible unwritten clan of males and clan of females.

Both made in the image and likeness of God thus masculine feminine.

27So God created man in His own image; in the image of God He created him; male and female He created them.

 

[Ronald Nolette]

Both made in the image and likeness of God thus masculine feminine.

27So God created man in His own image; in the image of God He created him; male and female He created them.

Well that is debatable.

Many feel (as I do) that God took part of His character and placed it in Adam and part in eve and made them man and woman. But that is neither here nor there, for God never said if He has feminine in Him or just gave the woman a stronger portion of His gracious characteristics and the man the more straightforward ones. that is not judging anything BTW.

 

[BeyondET]

Well that is debatable.

Many feel (as I do) that God took part of His character and placed it in Adam and part in eve and made them man and woman. But that is neither here nor there, for God never said if He has feminine in Him or just gave the woman a stronger portion of His gracious characteristics and the man the more straightforward ones. that is not judging anything BTW.

When a man and a woman come together, they unite these characteristics as one, a perfect representation of God.

Without it neglects scripture as to why they become as one.

 

[farouk]

I'm losing the sense of this thread.............

 

[Scott Downey]

In the Kingdom of God, there is neither male nor female, even the woman God sees as a son, so therefore an heir.
Sons inherit the kingdom of God. Historically women did not inherit but were viewed as property.

All of that male and female is about God's command here
Genesis 1:27-29
New King James Version

27 So God created man in His own image; in the image of God He created him; male and female He created them. 28 Then God blessed them, and God said to them, “Be fruitful and multiply; fill the earth and subdue it; have dominion over the fish of the sea, over the birds of the air, and over every living thing that moves on the earth.”

Galatians 3
Sons and Heirs
26 For you are all sons of God through faith in Christ Jesus. 27 For as many of you as were baptized into Christ have put on Christ. 28 There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither slave nor free, there is neither male nor female; for you are all one in Christ Jesus. 29 And if you are Christ’s, then you are Abraham’s seed, and heirs according to the promise.

And also in the resurrection, there is no woman, no marriages, no procreation, they are all as the angels. Woman was a temporary necessity to multiply, fill the earth with people in order for it to be subdued by humans and create the nations. God also did this,

Acts 17
26 And He has made from one blood every nation of men to dwell on all the face of the earth, and has determined their preappointed times and the boundaries of their dwellings, 27 so that they should seek the Lord, in the hope that they might grope for Him and find Him, though He is not far from each one of us; 28 for in Him we live and move and have our being, as also some of your own poets have said, ‘For we are also His offspring.’

 

[Scott Downey]

If you think differently consider also this, what women are excluded?? No mention of females at all.
Hebrews 2
Bringing Many Sons to Glory
10 For it was fitting for Him, for whom are all things and by whom are all things, in bringing many sons to glory, to make the captain of their salvation perfect through sufferings. 11 For both He who sanctifies and those who are being sanctified are all of one, for which reason He is not ashamed to call them brethren, 12 saying:

“I will declare Your name to My brethren;
In the midst of the assembly I will sing praise to You.”

13 And again:

“I will put My trust in Him.”

And again:

“Here am I and the children whom God has given Me.”

14 Inasmuch then as the children have partaken of flesh and blood, He Himself likewise shared in the same, that through death He might destroy him who had the power of death, that is, the devil, 15 and release those who through fear of death were all their lifetime subject to bondage. 16 For indeed He does not give aid to angels, but He does give aid to the seed of Abraham. 17 Therefore, in all things He had to be made like His brethren, that He might be a merciful and faithful High Priest in things pertaining to God, to make propitiation for the sins of the people. 18 For in that He Himself has suffered, being tempted, He is able to aid those who are tempted.

 

[Scott Downey]

And this too, brethren is a masculine word. What now then, God only foreknew and therefore predestined the men only?
Romans 8:29
For whom He foreknew, He also predestined to be conformed to the image of His Son, that He might be the firstborn among many brethren.

And we will be conformed to the image of Christ, who is not a women.

And more so, God made Adam first.
Then also this
1 Corinthians 11:3
But I want you to know that the head of every man is Christ, the head of woman is man, and the head of Christ is God.

1 Corinthians 11:7
For a man indeed ought not to cover his head, since he is the image and glory of God; but woman is the glory of man.

 

[ewq1938]

Hebrews 2
Bringing Many Sons to Glory
10 For it was fitting for Him, for whom are all things and by whom are all things, in bringing many sons to glory, to make the captain of their salvation perfect through sufferings. 11 For both He who sanctifies and those who are being sanctified are all of one, for which reason He is not ashamed to call them brethren, 12 saying:

The word for sons there can mean children of either sex, and is also used of the offspring of animals so that word doesn't help prove anything.

G5207
υἱός
uihos
Thayer Definition:
1) a son
1a) rarely used for the young of animals
1b) generally used of the offspring of men
1c) in a restricted sense, the male offspring (one born by a father and of a mother)
1d) in a wider sense, a descendant, one of the posterity of any one
1d1) the children of Israel
1d2) sons of Abraham
1e) used to describe one who depends on another or is his follower
1e1) a pupil
2) son of man
2a) term describing man, carrying the connotation of weakness and mortality
2b) son of man, symbolically denotes the fifth kingdom in Dan_7:13 and by this term its humanity is indicated in contrast with the barbarity and ferocity of the four preceding kingdoms (the Babylonian, the Median and the Persian, the Macedonian, and the Roman) typified by the four beasts. In the book of Enoch (2nd Century) it is used of Christ.
2c) used by Christ himself, doubtless in order that he might intimate his Messiahship and also that he might designate himself as the head of the human family, the man, the one who both furnished the pattern of the perfect man and acted on behalf of all mankind. Christ seems to have preferred this to the other Messianic titles, because by its lowliness it was least suited to foster the expectation of an earthly Messiah in royal splendour.
3) son of God
3a) used to describe Adam (Luk_3:38)
3b) used to describe those who are born again (Luk_20:36) and of angels and of Jesus Christ
3c) of those whom God esteems as sons, whom he loves, protects and benefits above others
3c1) in the OT used of the Jews
3c2) in the NT of Christians
3c3) those whose character God, as a loving father, shapes by chastisements (Heb_12:5-8)
3d) those who revere God as their father, the pious worshippers of God, those who in character and life resemble God, those who are governed by the Spirit of God, repose the same calm and joyful trust in God which children do in their parents (Rom_8:14, Gal_3:26 ), and hereafter in the blessedness and glory of the life eternal will openly wear this dignity of the sons of God. Term used preeminently of Jesus Christ, as enjoying the supreme love of God, united to him in affectionate intimacy, privy to his saving councils, obedient to the Father’s will in all his acts
Part of Speech: noun masculine
A Related Word by Thayer’s/Strong’s Number: apparently a primary word

 

[Scott Downey]

About Adam this, he was not decieved, he was made first, Christ is the second Adam,

1. 1 Corinthians 15:22
   For as in Adam all die, even so in Christ all shall be made alive.
   In Context | Full Chapter | Other Translations
2. 1 Corinthians 15:45
   And so it is written, “The first man Adam became a living being.” The last Adam became a life-giving spirit.
   In Context | Full Chapter | Other Translations
3. 1 Timothy 2:13
   For Adam was formed first, then Eve.
   In Context | Full Chapter | Other Translations
4. 1 Timothy 2:14
   And Adam was not deceived, but the woman being deceived, fell into transgression.
   In Context | Full Chapter | Other Translations

 

[Scott Downey]

The word for sons there can mean children of either sex, and is also used of the offspring of animals so that word doesn't help prove anything.

G5207
υἱός
uihos
Thayer Definition:
1) a son
1a) rarely used for the young of animals
1b) generally used of the offspring of men
1c) in a restricted sense, the male offspring (one born by a father and of a mother)
1d) in a wider sense, a descendant, one of the posterity of any one
1d1) the children of Israel
1d2) sons of Abraham
1e) used to describe one who depends on another or is his follower
1e1) a pupil
2) son of man
2a) term describing man, carrying the connotation of weakness and mortality
2b) son of man, symbolically denotes the fifth kingdom in Dan_7:13 and by this term its humanity is indicated in contrast with the barbarity and ferocity of the four preceding kingdoms (the Babylonian, the Median and the Persian, the Macedonian, and the Roman) typified by the four beasts. In the book of Enoch (2nd Century) it is used of Christ.
2c) used by Christ himself, doubtless in order that he might intimate his Messiahship and also that he might designate himself as the head of the human family, the man, the one who both furnished the pattern of the perfect man and acted on behalf of all mankind. Christ seems to have preferred this to the other Messianic titles, because by its lowliness it was least suited to foster the expectation of an earthly Messiah in royal splendour.
3) son of God
3a) used to describe Adam (Luk_3:38)
3b) used to describe those who are born again (Luk_20:36) and of angels and of Jesus Christ
3c) of those whom God esteems as sons, whom he loves, protects and benefits above others
3c1) in the OT used of the Jews
3c2) in the NT of Christians
3c3) those whose character God, as a loving father, shapes by chastisements (Heb_12:5-8)
3d) those who revere God as their father, the pious worshippers of God, those who in character and life resemble God, those who are governed by the Spirit of God, repose the same calm and joyful trust in God which children do in their parents (Rom_8:14, Gal_3:26 ), and hereafter in the blessedness and glory of the life eternal will openly wear this dignity of the sons of God. Term used preeminently of Jesus Christ, as enjoying the supreme love of God, united to him in affectionate intimacy, privy to his saving councils, obedient to the Father’s will in all his acts
Part of Speech: noun masculine
A Related Word by Thayer’s/Strong’s Number: apparently a primary word

Son is a masculine word.
There will be sons in the kingdom of God, there wont be any females, or males. which is an entirely physical thing.

 

[Scott Downey]

What about the women? Not a single mention. v8 has everyone else going into the lake of fire at the end.
You are either a son, or your not saved, this must be how God sees all people who believe. Being a 'son' will have included both males and females when they were in the body of flesh and blood on the earth.

He who overcomes shall inherit all things, and I will be his God and he shall be My son.

Revelation 21:6-8
New King James Version
6 And He said to me, “It is done! I am the Alpha and the Omega, the Beginning and the End. I will give of the fountain of the water of life freely to him who thirsts. 7 He who overcomes shall inherit all things, and I will be his God and he shall be My son. 8 But the cowardly, unbelieving, abominable, murderers, sexually immoral, sorcerers, idolaters, and all liars shall have their part in the lake which burns with fire and brimstone, which is the second death.”

A mention of women. These here are men, or say sons, they are not women.
Revelation 14
New King James Version

The Lamb and the 144,000
14 Then I looked, and behold, a Lamb standing on Mount Zion, and with Him one hundred and forty-four thousand, having His Father’s name written on their foreheads. 2 And I heard a voice from heaven, like the voice of many waters, and like the voice of loud thunder. And I heard the sound of harpists playing their harps. 3 They sang as it were a new song before the throne, before the four living creatures, and the elders; and no one could learn that song except the hundred and forty-four thousand who were redeemed from the earth. 4 These are the ones who were not defiled with women, for they are virgins. These are the ones who follow the Lamb wherever He goes. These were redeemed from among men, being firstfruits to God and to the Lamb. 5 And in their mouth was found no deceit, for they are without fault before the throne of God.

 

[BeyondET]

In the Kingdom of God, there is neither male nor female, even the woman God sees as a son, so therefore an heir.
Sons inherit the kingdom of God. Historically women did not inherit but were viewed as property.

All of that male and female is about God's command here
Genesis 1:27-29
New King James Version

27 So God created man in His own image; in the image of God He created him; male and female He created them. 28 Then God blessed them, and God said to them, “Be fruitful and multiply; fill the earth and subdue it; have dominion over the fish of the sea, over the birds of the air, and over every living thing that moves on the earth.”

Galatians 3
Sons and Heirs
26 For you are all sons of God through faith in Christ Jesus. 27 For as many of you as were baptized into Christ have put on Christ. 28 There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither slave nor free, there is neither male nor female; for you are all one in Christ Jesus. 29 And if you are Christ’s, then you are Abraham’s seed, and heirs according to the promise.

And also in the resurrection, there is no woman, no marriages, no procreation, they are all as the angels. Woman was a temporary necessity to multiply, fill the earth with people in order for it to be subdued by humans and create the nations. God also did this,

Acts 17
26 And He has made from one blood every nation of men to dwell on all the face of the earth, and has determined their preappointed times and the boundaries of their dwellings, 27 so that they should seek the Lord, in the hope that they might grope for Him and find Him, though He is not far from each one of us; 28 for in Him we live and move and have our being, as also some of your own poets have said, ‘For we are also His offspring.’

The word is all are One.

28 There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither slave nor free, there is neither male nor female; for you are all one in Christ Jesus.

 

[Ronald Nolette]

When a man and a woman come together, they unite these characteristics as one, a perfect representation of God.

Without it neglects scripture as to why they become as one.

Excellent way of saying it.

 

[Scott Downey]

The word is all are One.

28 There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither slave nor free, there is neither male nor female; for you are all one in Christ Jesus.

Of course. Do not expect to find any women in heaven, if you are thinking of them as females.
But do expect to find glorified sons.
Female is temporary, not the eternal state or condition and is defined by the flesh, this world.
The word 'women' is only twice found in Revelation and has negative connotation.

1. Revelation 9:8
   They had hair like women’s hair, and their teeth were like lions’ teeth.
   In Context | Full Chapter | Other Translations
2. Revelation 14:4
   These are the ones who were not defiled with women, for they are virgins. These are the ones who follow the Lamb wherever He goes. These were redeemed from among men, being firstfruits to God and to the Lamb.

The word 'men' has 17 mentions, and must include also women. With both positive and negative context.
BibleGateway - Keyword Search: men

 

[Scott Downey]

Since we as believers in the eternal state all get new bodies, did anyone wonder if they had the distinct appearance as either women or men had in their flesh...since there is no more male or female. You will all be changed.

 

[ewq1938]

Son is a masculine word.

So? It isn't used only for males. Females are also G5207υἱός

 

[BeyondET]

Since we as believers in the eternal state all get new bodies, did anyone wonder if they had the distinct appearance as either women or men had in their flesh...since there is no more male or female. You will all be changed.

Hmm well I think the two dwell together.

Proverbs 8
11 For wisdom is more precious than rubies, and nothing you desire compares with her.

12 I, wisdom, dwell together with prudence, and I find knowledge and discretion.

 

[Timtofly]

No, I am not changing the text. I am reading it as written!

Letr me give you an example of them being only two. Sally and Billy went to the store. Joey went with them! Sally and Joey are singular, the them describes the two of them! Have you so lost basic reading skills as to not recognize basic 2nd grade grammar?

The them in Gen. 1:26 refers back to the male singular and the female singular. Not to an invisible unwritten clan of males and clan of females.

And you miss the point Eve was not created on the 6th day.

So was that Adam and Lilith then?

If you cannot even understand how Eve was formed, then how can you even have 2 humans on day 6? There was only Adam by your logic and he was the only human both male and female.

There were thousands of humans created on day six, just like there were thousands of angels created on day 4, not just two, one male and one female.

Your point still works that if there were thousands of humans, humanity is still singular, but they were male and female. They and them being the same pronoun.