. . . That Jesus Christ is LORD . . .

[marks]

@marks I keep coming back to Philippians 2, about the Lord Jesus Who 'thought it not robbery to be equal with God'.

And just after that, "He became obedient", that means He pre-existed His servant life, it means He was something other than obedient before, and that He changed His form to that of an obedient servant.

I don't think this is indicating that Jesus was disobedient, so the other alternative, He was Sovereign. Our Sovereign Lord.

Much love!

 

[stunnedbygrace]

Isaiah 45:21-24 KJV
21) Tell ye, and bring them near; yea, let them take counsel together: who hath declared this from ancient time? who hath told it from that time? have not I the LORD? and there is no God else beside me; a just God and a Saviour; there is none beside me.
22) Look unto me, and be ye saved, all the ends of the earth: for I am God, and there is none else.
23) I have sworn by myself, the word is gone out of my mouth in righteousness, and shall not return, That unto me every knee shall bow, every tongue shall swear.
24) Surely, shall one say, in the LORD have I righteousness and strength: even to him shall men come; and all that are incensed against him shall be ashamed.

Considering what Isaiah wrote, Why would Paul say this?

Philippians 2:9-11 KJV
9) Wherefore God also hath highly exalted him, and given him a name which is above every name:
10) That at the name of Jesus every knee should bow, of things in heaven, and things in earth, and things under the earth;
11) And that every tongue should confess that Jesus Christ is Lord, to the glory of God the Father.

If Jesus were not in fact YHWH, wasn't Paul risking a major misunderstanding, bordering on blasphemy?

Unto YHWH, unto Jesus, every knee will bow, and every tongue confess . . .

Much love!

That’s so good. Thank you.

 

[farouk]

And just after that, "He became obedient", that means He pre-existed His servant life, it means He was something other than obedient before, and that He changed His form to that of an obedient servant.

I don't think this is indicating that Jesus was disobedient, so the other alternative, He was Sovereign. Our Sovereign Lord.

Much love!

Such a searching passage.

"Thus found in fashion as a man,
All blameless, spotless, pure,
He was obedient unto death
Sin's judgment to endure."

 

[Michiah-Imla]

It's not an extreme position.

Promotion of a doctrine not expressly spoken about in scripture is extreme.

No biblical writer wrote “Jesus is God” nor instructed us to put the label “Antichrist” on those who don’t agree with those who proclaim that Jesus is God.

It’s just a distraction from fighting against sin.

 

[L.A.M.B.]

I do not understand how YOU assert that Jesus is God without a plain declaration from scripture.




So are you asserting Jesus was just a MAN ?

Philipians 2:6-9 ( cxt)
Who, being in the FORM of God, thought it not robbery to be EQUAL [=] with God:
BUT MADE HIMSELF of no reputation, and took upon HIM the FORM of a servant, and was made in the LIKENESS of men:
And being found in fashion as a man, he humbled himself,and became obedient unto death, even the death of the cross.
Wherefore God ALSO hath highly exalted him, and given him a name which is above every name:

Hebrews 5:7-10 ( cxt)
WHO in the DAYS OF HIS FLESH, when he had offered up prayers and supplications with strong crying and tears unto him that was able to save him from death, and was heard in that he feared;
Though he was a Son, yet learned he obedience by the things which he suffered;
And being made perfect, he became the AUTHOR OF ETERNAL SALVATION, unto all them that OBEY him;
Called of God an high priest after the order of Melchisdec.

I know what you have to say about these scriptures and " the God of his word" says what he means and his interpreter is the Spirit of God.

I know this has been yanked about much but words do not have to be dissected out by ever alphabet to verify what God is saying switching from language to language. The Spirit reveals the Word and leads the believer to all truth!

You will not receive it however which makes it upon your own head between the TRUTH & SUPPOSITION!

 

[Michiah-Imla]

“are you asserting Jesus was just a MAN ?”

@L3astAm0ngManyB13ss3d the scripture said it:

“For there is one God, and one mediator between God and men, the man Christ Jesus; Who gave himself a ransom for all, to be testified in due time.” (1 Timothy 2:5-6)

But like all adherents to the traditions of men, the scriptures are secondary in authority to their false doctrines.

 

[L.A.M.B.]

I really really DO NOT understand where ppl get their fodder or better yet how hard the brain- washing gone through has distorted their hard drive !

God is not hard to receive. His word is so easy a child can find the way.
Us adults, wizened as we are mangle the truth from molehill to mountains.

 

[face2face]

I do not understand how you can deny Jesus IS GOD, and then talk about sinless perfection.

It's because you haven't taken the time to read your Bible and study it to show yourself approved - rightly handling the Word of God. If you did you would know the difference between God being "in" Christ reconciling the World to Himself and God "being" Christ. As such there is a dearth of wisdom lost on you.
F2F

 

[face2face]

This shouldn't cause division, a true learning of God will unify. It's not an extreme position. This thread is about just one of many examples in the Bible where we see this this same thing, that Jesus and YHWH are one and the same.

Much love!

The fact that you are incapable of discerning the difference between Father and Son speaks volumes of your ignorance.

 

[L.A.M.B.]

It's because you haven't taken the time to read your Bible and study it to show yourself approved - rightly handling the Word of God. If you did you would know the difference between God being "in" Christ reconciling the World to Himself and God "being" Christ. As such there is a dearth of wisdom lost on you.
F2F

Judge much w/ o knowing?
You run off at the mouth like a troll little man.
I have NOTHING to prove to you. JW...lol

May the Word and the Lord rebuke you by HIS Spirit !

 

[face2face]

Judge much w/ o knowing?
You run off at the mouth like a troll little man.
I have NOTHING to prove to you. JW...lol

May the Word and the Lord rebuke you by HIS Spirit !

I'm not a JW...and correct you have proved nothing thus far.

 

[Jack]

And it is a mystery how that is the case.

This scripture does not say Jesus is God.

If God didn't create you, who did?

Col 1 By Jesus all things were created!

 

[TLHKAJ]

You have either (1) not read the Holy Bible, (2) failed to read it properly, or (3) even after seeing many passages which say that Jesus is God, you have chosen to become an "antichrist" -- one who denies that Jesus is the Christ. That God became the Man Christ Jesus in order to die for our sins. First John 2 tells us about the antichrists, those who deny both the Father and the Son. Therefore they do not possess them. Therefore they are lost.

 

[Jack]

The fact that you are incapable of discerning the difference between Father and Son speaks volumes of your ignorance.

John 14
9 He who has seen Me has seen the Father;

 

[face2face]

John 14
9 He who has seen Me has seen the Father;

John 14:28 will do that!

 

[Jack]

John 14:28 will do that!

Why don't you quote the Scripture for all to see? Hmm

 

[MatthewG]

@marks, this is my thoughts on how Jesus Christ is the Lord God Almighty, there was another post from another forum in which I had just replied to and said the following,

in the beginning. There was God, God's Word, and the Spirit of God hovering over the waters. @7thMoon. God sent his Word, and his Word it became flesh, named Yeshua. The Word had a God (which once was God - having been with Him) - that God was Yahweh the one whom spoke the Word. That is why Jesus had worshiped God, his Father. After resurrection, going up to through the clouds, and his return, Jesus would give everything that Father provided him back over to Him so God could be all in all, and that is when Jesus becomes the Lord God Almighty, according to the Apostle John.

Thinking about when I first started out with being a Christian and learning about the trinity, its good to finally be set free in as close to the truth as one can get by the spirit that is given by God, the more one can be set free in Christ. I use to debate the trinity alot, and it was what caused me to get banned out of a few sites because I didn't get it and agree with it, and now this is my final resting spot said about when it comes to what I know from the bible itself and nothing else.

Thank you for reading,
Matthew Gallagher

 

[GRACE ambassador]

op: That Jesus Christ Is LORD!

Either this is what the Bible says He did, or it's not. If the Bible says God did such and such, it's secondary to ask if that were the only way, or that there could be other ways. We have the Bible to tell us the way He did what He's done.

If God didn't create you, who did?

Col 1 By Jesus all things were created!

The LORD Jesus Is God is found (no where?), Or Just About EVERYWHERE In God's
↓ → ↕ ↕ ↕ ↕ ↕ ↕ ↕ ←
Word Of TRUTH! Grace, Peace, And JOY to All humble seekers Of Truth!!

 

[BARNEY BRIGHT]

Isaiah 45:21-24 KJV
21) Tell ye, and bring them near; yea, let them take counsel together: who hath declared this from ancient time? who hath told it from that time? have not I the LORD? and there is no God else beside me; a just God and a Saviour; there is none beside me.
22) Look unto me, and be ye saved, all the ends of the earth: for I am God, and there is none else.
23) I have sworn by myself, the word is gone out of my mouth in righteousness, and shall not return, That unto me every knee shall bow, every tongue shall swear.
24) Surely, shall one say, in the LORD have I righteousness and strength: even to him shall men come; and all that are incensed against him shall be ashamed.

Considering what Isaiah wrote, Why would Paul say this?

Philippians 2:9-11 KJV
9) Wherefore God also hath highly exalted him, and given him a name which is above every name:
10) That at the name of Jesus every knee should bow, of things in heaven, and things in earth, and things under the earth;
11) And that every tongue should confess that Jesus Christ is Lord, to the glory of God the Father.

If Jesus were not in fact YHWH, wasn't Paul risking a major misunderstanding, bordering on blasphemy?

Unto YHWH, unto Jesus, every knee will bow, and every tongue confess . . .

Much love!

Paul wasn't saying Jesus was God, he said that God had exalted Jesus name. So Paul was saying that YHWH God was the person who exalted Jesus name, not that Jesus was YHWH God. God's name YHWH has always been exalted and no person made his name exalted. His name YHWH is exalted because YHWH God who is the creator and source of all life gave the name YHWH to himself. Jesus name was exalted by YHWH God. Paul also said that we are to call Jesus Lord, to the glory of God. Too many people ignore too many scriptures where Jesus let's us know that the person who is his Father is YHWH God or they take a scripture out of context to prove some belief they have about Jesus. Nowhere in Philippians chapter 2 was Paul saying Jesus was YHWH God.

 

[ChristisGod]

Isaiah 45:21-24 KJV
21) Tell ye, and bring them near; yea, let them take counsel together: who hath declared this from ancient time? who hath told it from that time? have not I the LORD? and there is no God else beside me; a just God and a Saviour; there is none beside me.
22) Look unto me, and be ye saved, all the ends of the earth: for I am God, and there is none else.
23) I have sworn by myself, the word is gone out of my mouth in righteousness, and shall not return, That unto me every knee shall bow, every tongue shall swear.
24) Surely, shall one say, in the LORD have I righteousness and strength: even to him shall men come; and all that are incensed against him shall be ashamed.

Considering what Isaiah wrote, Why would Paul say this?

Philippians 2:9-11 KJV
9) Wherefore God also hath highly exalted him, and given him a name which is above every name:
10) That at the name of Jesus every knee should bow, of things in heaven, and things in earth, and things under the earth;
11) And that every tongue should confess that Jesus Christ is Lord, to the glory of God the Father.

If Jesus were not in fact YHWH, wasn't Paul risking a major misunderstanding, bordering on blasphemy?

Unto YHWH, unto Jesus, every knee will bow, and every tongue confess . . .

Much love!

Amen brother !

Paul says in Romans 10 that if you confess Jesus is LORD and believe God raised Him from the dead you shall be saved. What does it mean to confess Jesus is Lord? Let’s examine just a couple of passages from Paul and John.


Isa 6:1-7
I saw the Lord sitting on a throne, lofty and exalted, with the train of His robe filling the temple. 2Seraphim stood above Him, each having six wings: with two he covered his face, and with two he covered his feet, and with two he flew. And one called out to another and said,
"Holy, Holy, Holy, is the Lord of hosts,
The whole earth is full of His glory."
4And the foundations of the thresholds trembled at the voice of him who called out, while the temple was filling with smoke. 5Then I said,
"Woe is me, for I am ruined!
Because I am a man of unclean lips,
And I live among a people of unclean lips;
For my eyes have seen the King, the Lord of hosts."
6Then one of the seraphim flew to me with a burning coal in his hand, which he had taken from the altar with tongs. 7He touched my mouth with it and said, "Behold, this has touched your lips; and your iniquity is taken away and your sin is forgiven."

John 12:41-42
These things Isaiah said because he saw His glory, and he spoke of Him. We see that the Apostle John said that Isaiah saw the glory of Jesus in Isaiah 6 for this was the one and only time Isaiah was in the presence of Yahweh.

In Romans 10:9-10, we see that Christians will confess that Jesus is Lord. The context through verse 13 clearly shows that Jesus is the Lord which all men must call on in order to be saved. Paul quotes from Joel 2:32 to make his point.Everyone who calls on the name of the Lord will be saved (verse 13). If you read Joel 2:32 one can see that Paul quoted from this verse. When we look at the OT passage salvation comes to those who call on the name of YHWH ie...the Divine name of Israel for God. Paul declares it is Jesus upon whom we must call on in order to be saved.

In Philippians 2:9-11, we read that Jesus has a name that is above every name that at His name every knee should bow and that every tongue will confess that Jesus Christ is Lord. Paul bases his statements on Isaiah 45:23, where we read (By myself I have sworn, my mouth has uttered in all integrity a word that will not be revoked: Before Me every knee will bow; by Me every tongue will swear .In the context this is clearly YHWH speaking of Himself. He is the Lord who says there is no God apart from Me in verse 21.Paul does not hesitate in saying that every knee will bow to Jesus and every tongue will confess Jesus is YHWH.


It is an indisputable fact that Paul said God bestowed the Name “Yahweh” on Jesus because in Philippians 2: 9-11 he was quoting Isaiah 45: 21-24.

This is what Yahweh told Isaiah:
“And there is no other God besides Me, a righteous God and a Savior; there is none except Me. Turn to Me, and be saved, all the ends of the earth; for I am God, and there is no other. I have sworn by Myself, the Word has gone forth from My mouth in righteousness and will not turn back, that to Me every knee will bow, every tongue will swear allegiance, they will say of Me, ‘Only in Yahweh are righteousness and strength.’ Men will come to Him and all who were angry with Him shall be put to shame.”

Isaiah 43: 11- Yahweh said that He is our only Savior- Even I Am Yahweh and there is no other Savior besides Me. This verse is very clear as to its meaning.

We see that Yahweh is the Name God bestowed on Jesus and it is Yahweh which is the Name that is above every name and it is Yahweh to which every knee will bow. There is no mistaking that Paul declares in his epistles that Jesus is the Yahweh of the Hebrew Scriptures. Jesus is our Lord Yahweh in the New Testament as well as our Savior. These were the specific names that were Gods alone in the Old Testament.

hope this helps !!!