Who is right ?

[L.A.M.B.]

Romans 3:2-5 ( cxt )
4. God forbid: yea, let God be true,and EVERY man a liar; as it is written, That thou mightiest be JUSTIFIED in thy sayings, and MIGHTEST OVERCOME when thou art judged.

Acts 5:27-30 ( cxt )
29.Then Peter and the other Apostles answered and said, WE ought to OBEY GOD rather than man.

Proverbs 21:1-3 ( cxt )
2. Every way of a man is right in his own eyes: but the LORD pondereth the hearts.
Proverbs 16:1-3 ( cxt )
2.All the ways of a man are clean in his own eyes; but the LORD weigheth the spirits .


Our goal must be to PLEASE God.
Does your life challenge you to do so ?
Does you denomination, church, faith or whatever beliefs one holds to do so ?

We are told to search the scriptures, pray and seek God's will, to remain steadfast, to hold onto, and build up our faith..........this is YOUR life, you get to choose whom you will serve man or God !

 

[L.A.M.B.]

We can plainly see the division in faith, works, the Word, God's will, man's teachings as opposed to God's; WE CAN SEE IT ALL RIGHT HERE IN THESE FORUMS !

 

[L.A.M.B.]

After the reformation and it's resistance against the RCC, we see many camps coming out. Since the late 1800's we have seen this breakdown, catholism,, christianity and cults.

Where is your trust ? Is it in your organization, the Word you understand or is it in God and his word ?

 

[Robert Gwin]

Romans 3:2-5 ( cxt )
4. God forbid: yea, let God be true,and EVERY man a liar; as it is written, That thou mightiest be JUSTIFIED in thy sayings, and MIGHTEST OVERCOME when thou art judged.

Acts 5:27-30 ( cxt )
29.Then Peter and the other Apostles answered and said, WE ought to OBEY GOD rather than man.

Proverbs 21:1-3 ( cxt )
2. Every way of a man is right in his own eyes: but the LORD pondereth the hearts.
Proverbs 16:1-3 ( cxt )
2.All the ways of a man are clean in his own eyes; but the LORD weigheth the spirits .


Our goal must be to PLEASE God.
Does your life challenge you to do so ?
Does you denomination, church, faith or whatever beliefs one holds to do so ?

We are told to search the scriptures, pray and seek God's will, to remain steadfast, to hold onto, and build up our faith..........this is YOUR life, you get to choose whom you will serve man or God !

So what do you mean by who is right? Are you wanting the identification of the people of God?

 

[stunnedbygrace]

So what do you mean by who is right?

Hmmm…the question “who is right” is also asking ”who is wrong?”
Aside from when someone is just saying something you think is totally bonkers, like…Jesus was actually a tabby cat, most discussions that go off the rails in here are caused by this way of thinking that one person is completely right and another is completely wrong. That’s (I learned a new word yesterday) - “dichotomous“ thinking. That led me to google “what causes dichotomous thinking?” And to boil that down (since there were many possible causes) it is, at it’s core cause, to reduce anxiety.

But scripture can’t be synthesized by that kind of thinking. Because for every person thinking dichotomously there is another person thinking dichotomously, but WHILE using the opposite set of scriptures, which is to say, the scriptures that appear to us to say the exact opposite.

If you examine the arguments in here, you can see that this is so.
A very simplified example: An apple on the counter is red. But it also has places and streaks in it that are yellow. One man argues the apple is red, all red, only red. The other argues it is all yellow, only yellow. That’s what dichotomous thinking does. But it doesn’t bring one to a synthesis to ask, which man is right? Synthesis comes from seeing the apple is red AND yellow.

Think of the verse that says, never answer a fool according to his folly. It is followed by another verse -always answer a fool according to his folly. You will never get to synthesis by asking which verse is right and which verse is wrong.

 

[BreadOfLife]

After the reformation and it's resistance against the RCC, we see many camps coming out. Since the late 1800's we have seen this breakdown, catholism,, christianity and cults.

Where is your trust ? Is it in your organization, the Word you understand or is it in God and his word ?

This statement is based on a false premise.

Not only are Catholics Christian – we were the very FIRST Christians.
No Protestant sect can make this claim because they were ALL created after the 16th century.

 

[L.A.M.B.]

So what do you mean by who is right? Are you wanting the identification of the people of God?

Yes in a way maybe but I would rather like to have what ppl hold to and believe upfront before engaging.
It helps to know where ppl stand such as I follow dietary rules bc I'm a Messianic Jew, ect etc

Then ppl can engage or not instead of arguing about silly repeat things.
I know where you stand and you know where I stand .

There are tooooooo many I say, you says going on and accomplishing NOTHING.

We are all different and must decide our walk from the Word. If a person only holds to a prophets words then I question if they know the full truth.

Do you get what I am saying ?

 

[L.A.M.B.]

This statement is based on a false premise.

Not only are Catholics Christian – we were the very FIRST Christians.
No Protestant sect can make this claim because they were ALL created after the 16th century.

Totally disagree.
THE VERY FIRST CHRISTIANS WERE JEWS!!!!!!!

 

[Jay Ross]

Totally disagree.
THE VERY FIRST CHRISTIANS WERE JEWS!!!!!!!

Totally disagree.

Division came into the ranks of the new "Christians" because impartibility was not shown between the various people groups that came to believe.

 

[L.A.M.B.]

Totally disagree.

Division came into the ranks of the new "Christians" because impartibility was not shown between the various people groups that came to believe.

Lol
Where was the lineage of the disciples ?
Did Jesus NOT say he was sent to the lost house of Israel.
Was Jesus ,Joseph & Mary & his immediate family not Jews ?

 

[Illuminator]

Nostra Aetate: Declaration on the Relationship of the Church to Non-Christian Religions​

4. As the sacred synod searches into the mystery of the Church, it remembers the bond that spiritually ties the people of the New Covenant to Abraham's stock.

Thus the Church of Christ acknowledges that, according to God's saving design, the beginnings of her faith and her election are found already among the Patriarchs, Moses and the prophets. She professes that all who believe in Christ—Abraham's sons according to faith 6—are included in the same Patriarch's call, and likewise that the salvation of the Church is mysteriously foreshadowed by the chosen people's exodus from the land of bondage. The Church, therefore, cannot forget that she received the revelation of the Old Testament through the people with whom God in His inexpressible mercy concluded the Ancient Covenant. Nor can she forget that she draws sustenance from the root of that well-cultivated olive tree onto which have been grafted the wild shoots, the Gentiles.7 Indeed, the Church believes that by His cross Christ, Our Peace, reconciled Jews and Gentiles. making both one in Himself.8

The Church keeps ever in mind the words of the Apostle about his kinsmen: "theirs is the sonship and the glory and the covenants and the law and the worship and the promises; theirs are the fathers and from them is the Christ according to the flesh" (Rom. 9:4-5), the Son of the Virgin Mary. She also recalls that the Apostles, the Church's main-stay and pillars, as well as most of the early disciples who proclaimed Christ's Gospel to the world, sprang from the Jewish people.

As Holy Scripture testifies, Jerusalem did not recognize the time of her visitation,9 nor did the Jews in large number, accept the Gospel; indeed not a few opposed its spreading.10 Nevertheless, God holds the Jews most dear for the sake of their Fathers; He does not repent of the gifts He makes or of the calls He issues—such is the witness of the Apostle.11 In company with the Prophets and the same Apostle, the Church awaits that day, known to God alone, on which all peoples will address the Lord in a single voice and "serve him shoulder to shoulder" (Soph. 3:9).12

Since the spiritual patrimony common to Christians and Jews is thus so great, this sacred synod wants to foster and recommend that mutual understanding and respect which is the fruit, above all, of biblical and theological studies as well as of fraternal dialogues.

True, the Jewish authorities and those who followed their lead pressed for the death of Christ;13 still, what happened in His passion cannot be charged against all the Jews, without distinction, then alive, nor against the Jews of today. Although the Church is the new people of God, the Jews should not be presented as rejected or accursed by God, as if this followed from the Holy Scriptures. All should see to it, then, that in catechetical work or in the preaching of the word of God they do not teach anything that does not conform to the truth of the Gospel and the spirit of Christ.

Furthermore, in her rejection of every persecution against any person, the Church, mindful of the patrimony she shares with the Jews and moved not by political reasons but by the Gospel's spiritual love, decries hatred, persecutions, displays of anti-Semitism, directed against Jews at any time and by anyone.

Besides, as the Church has always held and holds now, Christ underwent His passion and death freely, because of the sins of humanity and out of infinite love, in order that all may reach salvation. It is, therefore, the burden of the Church's preaching to proclaim the cross of Christ as the sign of God's all-embracing love and as the fountain from which every grace flows.

footnotes:
6. Cf. Gal. 3:7

7. Cf. Rom. 11:17-24

8. Cf. Eph. 2:14-16

9. Cf. Lk. 19:44

10. Cf. Rom. 11:28

11. Cf. Rom. 11:28-29; cf. dogmatic Constitution, Lumen Gentium (Light of nations) AAS, 57 (1965) pag. 20

12. Cf. Is. 66:23; Ps. 65:4; Rom. 11:11-32

13. Cf. John. 19:6

14. Cf. Rom. 12:18

15. Cf. Matt. 5:45

Nostra Aetate: Declaration on the Relationship of the Church to Non-Christian Religions

1. In our time, when day by day people are being drawn closer together, and the ties between different peoples are becoming stronger, the Church examines m...

ccjr.us

Council of Centers on Jewish-Christian Relations​

ENHANCING MUTUAL UNDERSTANDING​

BETWEEN JEWS & CHRISTIANS​

 

[Robert Gwin]

Hmmm…the question “who is right” is also asking ”who is wrong?”
Aside from when someone is just saying something you think is totally bonkers, like…Jesus was actually a tabby cat, most discussions that go off the rails in here are caused by this way of thinking that one person is completely right and another is completely wrong. That’s (I learned a new word yesterday) - “dichotomous“ thinking. That led me to google “what causes dichotomous thinking?” And to boil that down (since there were many possible causes) it is, at it’s core cause, to reduce anxiety.

But scripture can’t be synthesized by that kind of thinking. Because for every person thinking dichotomously there is another person thinking dichotomously, but WHILE using the opposite set of scriptures, which is to say, the scriptures that appear to us to say the exact opposite.

If you examine the arguments in here, you can see that this is so.
A very simplified example: An apple on the counter is red. But it also has places and streaks in it that are yellow. One man argues the apple is red, all red, only red. The other argues it is all yellow, only yellow. That’s what dichotomous thinking does. But it doesn’t bring one to a synthesis to ask, which man is right? Synthesis comes from seeing the apple is red AND yellow.

Think of the verse that says, never answer a fool according to his folly. It is followed by another verse -always answer a fool according to his folly. You will never get to synthesis by asking which verse is right and which verse is wrong.

Consider Grace, If God exists, and the Bible is God's word, then obviously it cannot contradict itself. If you see something that appears to state opposites, then your idea of what is said is in error. Research all the passages involved with the subject, and then see how they harmonize. This is not always easy, in fact most of the time it might fall to the category of difficult. That is why Jesus assigned the faithful slave to provide us with not new inspired writings, but understanding of what is written. Perhaps you believe we are living in the last days, and if that is true, then this slave should be on the scene feeding Jesus' sheep. Mat 24:45-47, so all one has to do is identify who the slave is.

 

[Robert Gwin]

Yes in a way maybe but I would rather like to have what ppl hold to and believe upfront before engaging.
It helps to know where ppl stand such as I follow dietary rules bc I'm a Messianic Jew, ect etc

Then ppl can engage or not instead of arguing about silly repeat things.
I know where you stand and you know where I stand .

There are tooooooo many I say, you says going on and accomplishing NOTHING.

We are all different and must decide our walk from the Word. If a person only holds to a prophets words then I question if they know the full truth.

Do you get what I am saying ?

I think so, you are saying that you must follow what the Bible tells you, and of course that is true. But what you understand must be in harmony with what the Bible actually says, correct? As you can see there are thousands of faiths out there, but how many of those faiths are accepted by God according to Scripture? Isa 2:2,3 tells us where we must get our Scriptural education in these last days

 

[Matthias]

THE VERY FIRST CHRISTIANS WERE JEWS!!!!!!!

That’s historically accurate. This is where the church began: Jews who believed that one of their Jewish contemporaries - Jesus of Nazareth - is the promised Messiah.

 

[stunnedbygrace]

Consider Grace, If God exists, and the Bible is God's word, then obviously it cannot contradict itself. If you see something that appears to state opposites, then your idea of what is said is in error. Research all the passages involved with the subject, and then see how they harmonize. This is not always easy, in fact most of the time it might fall to the category of difficult. That is why Jesus assigned the faithful slave to provide us with not new inspired writings, but understanding of what is written. Perhaps you believe we are living in the last days, and if that is true, then this slave should be on the scene feeding Jesus' sheep. Mat 24:45-47, so all one has to do is identify who the slave is.

I carefully added the words “appears to.” But honestly, it does oppose. Until you get the rounded view and understand both sides together. The many arguments show this is so.

 

[L.A.M.B.]

There are so many controversies discussed in forums and there should not be. There is only one God, one word of God and one Spirit to bind them all together.

If a person refuses the deity of the Christ then they deny salvation. God is our saviour and he came in the form of man to bring us a way out of the cost of sin without the blood of bulls & heifers and the Mosiac laws.

We need only the council of God per his word & his Spirit to lead us into righteousness as we walk pleasing to him. We do not need the Pope, the society, the book outside of the Word, the many many false teachers & preachers nor any other source. These are here to fleece the flock and steal souls.

" Christian" is a word that is false in this day & age
( mentioned only about 3 x in the word). It once promoted who followed Christ in belief. After about the first 300 years something went wrong. The Romans instituted the RCC as a way to control believers and followers through a false set of ideas and practices.

When ppl realized this and had enough, the reformation happened, tacking on every heresy of man's outlandish ideas they could find. Then others came along breaking off from in multiple factions and we now have the mess of today. Paul said what when you get together you all have a psalm, hath a doctrine, hath a tongue hath a revelation, hath an interpertation. LET ALL THINGS BE DONE UNTO EDIFYING. 1 Corinthians 14: 26 ( 24-27 )

Now mind you some have kept just enough of the Word of God in to  appear right. This is grand deception!

If you follow a prophets word Matthew 10:41 (cxt ) you shall receive a prophets reward, for the spirits of the prophets are subject to the prophets. 1Corinthians 14:32 (30-33)

So we say again, let God be right and every man a liar !

Search out for yourselves the truth for it is YOUR SOUL AT STAKE. None will answer in your stead and there will be no finger pointing nor excusing by blaming others.

Our number one goal should be living in the will of God, doing those things he has commanded us and walking in his Spirit, nothing else !

 

[L.A.M.B.]

What does the Word say about who we are.

 

[L.A.M.B.]

The above being the case by twisting the Word to suit ones ideation of living righteously, it is a stumbling of disobedience that they follow man rather than God.

 

[Dropship]

We are told to search the scriptures, pray and seek God's will, to remain steadfast, to hold onto, and build up our faith..........this is YOUR life, you get to choose whom you will serve man or God !

Regarding searching the scriptures, Paul warned people to concentrate mainly on the gospels rather than get bogged down in too much deep study of the entire bible-
"I am worried lest you be led astray from the simplicity of Christ" (2 Corinthians 11:3)

Jesus was easy enough to understand-
"And the common people heard him gladly" (Mark 12:37)

Jesus advised the priestly classes not to overdo their intensive bible study-
"You diligently study the Scriptures because you think that by them you possess eternal life. These are the Scriptures that testify about me, yet you refuse to come to me to have life." (John 5:39-40)

 

[Illuminator]

" Christian" is a word that is false in this day & age
( mentioned only about 3 x in the word). It once promoted who followed Christ in belief. After about the first 300 years something went wrong. The Romans instituted the RCC as a way to control believers and followers through a false set of ideas and practices.

Bearing false witness is a serious sin, but us Catholics don't hold it against you due to your invincible ignorance.