Saved by Faith vs Repentance and Obeying the Commandments

[Ernest T. Bass]

This is true. Which is probably why Jesus told us that when, for example, we give to the poor, we should do so quietly. (Matthew 6:1-4) I suppose we should likewise be quiet about our not murdering, not stealing, not craving material things, not fooling around with that girl at work, ...

But then there's the little matter of what goes on inside our hearts.

I see this same argument over and over.

In my better moments, I see glimpses of the reality that God really does love me, and I know that He doesn't want me to do the Thou-Shalt-Nots, and I know that it pleases the One who loved me and died for me (Galatians 2:20) when I, for example, show compassion to lost and hurting people. Would to God that these moments were not so few and far between!

(And in writing that, I realized something else...)

Salvation is impossible apart from obedience.

Per Matt 6, there is nothing wrong with giving alms openly or praying openly for Jesus said to 'let your light so shine before men' hence Jesus was not requiring absolute secrecy. What Jesus was condemning was the false motives in doing these things openly simply to be seen by men.

 

[dev553344]

So when you say this above, the confusion I had was some saved through trust versus some saved through trust who then actually begin to obey through that trust. They are the same thing to me, just at different times. The apostle said, it is only those who trust who actually DO (begin to) obey.

In the parable, the second man, (who was previously the first man at some point), begins to actually obey and grow in righteousness. Because to see and admit the truth, God says that is to have done the right thing. He justified the one sinner and did not justify the other sinner.

A friend of mine says, “but righteousness is a moving target.” And I can see that. A parent is pleased in the beginning if their baby just eats and poops regularly. But what pleases the parent changes. The target gets moved. What previously pleased the parent changes and now what will please him is to master potty training. This shows what my friend says.

Yes that can be true when we are caught in sin. God speaks to us and promotes us and guides us out slowly. That is how Jesus works.

 

[Lambano]

Salvation is impossible apart from obedience.

Per Matt 6, there is nothing wrong with giving alms openly or praying openly for Jesus said to 'let your light so shine before men' hence Jesus was not requiring absolute secrecy. What Jesus was condemning was the false motives in doing these things openly simply to be seen by men.

Right. A better motive behind "let your light so shine before men" (and hey, I like that you're using a red-letter Bible!) is to inspire others, both to praise God and to go and do likewise.

But speaking of wrong motives - what should be our motive for obedience be? Should we "let our lights so shine before men" just to save our sorry little rear ends? How is that any less selfish than giving to the poor so that people will see what a kind and benevolent guy I am?

 

[L.A.M.B.]

It's important to hear the word daily thru scripture study. And the Spirit guides me. The bible brings to remembrance the things I have already learned.

Okay.

We need to be very careful whom we receive study from.

I study under no man. I pray, read and wait on God's Spirit to reveal to me the truths I need.

Fragility and our weaknesses can cause us confusion in other ppls interpretations, teachings & statements.

Do we have complete trust in God & his word when we grasp at man ?

 

[stunnedbygrace]

We cannot hit something we cannot see.

Exactly! So God moves the target, because we are learning and GROWING in righteousness. We finally saw the target and hit it. Then He moves the target and shows us where it is and says, now hit that target.
we are GROWING in righteousness. We are LEARNING righteousness. We begin to DO righteousness by His training.

The second man praying could have never seen the target unless God showed him the target. But God did. He finally saw and understood the parable and then he hit the target. Does God leave him there? No. That’s not how learning more and having the mind renewed works. We learn addition and subtraction. Then we use that addition to learn multiplication. Then we use all those to learn division. And so forth.
If a teacher never moved the target, if there was no line upon line and precept upon precept, no learning beyond addition would occur.

 

[amigo de christo]

Just an after thought.

Great confusion in understanding the Word of God is seen among the forums.

It is not a pick & choose situation, it is life or death !

We cannot HUNT for things that please ourselves in the scriptures to justify our self righteousness but must separate from the herd and seek his will for ourselves.
Not lightly either, not for presentation of our or another's interpretation nor so we may be accepted by man.

This is not a trip the light fandango or tip toeing through the tulips dance but must be viewed as your life sentence, LIFE OR DEATH !

The choice of life and death has been given through the glorious truth of our LORD .
CHOOSE YE THIS DAY LIFE , Which means COME YE TO CHRIST JESUS .
But sadly many chose death . No matter how well sung the song of the glorious gospel is they find fault
with the author of said salvation and create another god unto their own destruction .
This pope is deadly and i shall not shun to warn against it or the all inclusive lie . Rather let us learn those bibles well
and follow Christ . Spot on right lamb . This is a serious matter indeed . ITS LIFE or DEATH . It aint life and oh maybe not so good a life .
NOT it is LIFE or its death . JESUS IS LIFE , any other path is death and leadeth only to the second death .
A stickler to the gospel of truth we must be .

 

[stunnedbygrace]

Devin said the Holy Spirit guides him and brings up the things he’s heard/read. ( To teach him further.)

Then you told him to be careful, and then repeated almost exactly what he said here:

I study under no man. I pray, read and wait on God's Spirit to reveal to me the truths I need.

I think maybe he won’t understand who you are warning him about to be careful of. I believe I understand what you are saying, but he might not.

 

[amigo de christo]

Okay.

We need to be very careful whom we receive study from.

I study under no man. I pray, read and wait on God's Spirit to reveal to me the truths I need.

Fragility and our weaknesses can cause us confusion in other ppls interpretations, teachings & statements.

Do we have complete trust in God & his word when we grasp at man ?

And , and One must believe in HIM in order to be saved . There is no such thing as doing good deeds and following another god or path
and somehow ye are saved by that . THAT is a fat ol lie that has been sung into the churches till now we have seventy percent
of christains professing THE LIE that GOD is fine with all paths and all religoins so long as they hug and do them some good works
Have you heard what they are about to do . TOTAL BLASPHEMY in the name of their so called love god .
THEY are meeting at mount sinai to procliam the ten commandments of climate change and etc . I TOLD US this was all
about a religion that was based upon false common ground in order to bring us under a lie from hell and to serve a one world govt agenda .
And folks thought i was nuts . WELL THEY DOING IT in a few days and its total blasphemy .

 

[stunnedbygrace]

Lol.

 

[amigo de christo]

Lol.

Let none bow down to their false god , which in truth is satan the dragon that ol serpent . BOW before Christ alone , GOD alone
and hit the trenches cause they are not taking a day off spouting the lie so we cannot take a day of countering it through the glorious TRUTH of CHRIST

 

[stunnedbygrace]

My point is that someone might actually point out where the lie is in here and point out the person spouting the lie. That might help, right?

 

[amigo de christo]

My point is that someone might actually point out where the lie is in here and point out the person spouting the lie. That might help, right?

The liar who rules over the other lies who rule within christendom is a man who most see as kind , caring , always speaking about doing
good to the poor . But beware him and his co workers . His name .............POPE FRANICS , his children
most all leaders within most churches now . Rick warren and scores of others helped to pave the way . The seeker friendly helped to pave the way
till now its all about this unity , co exist , all inclusive lie from hell .
If any is sitting in a church that promotes this unity of pope francis , GET OUT and take everything and everyone you can with you .
This lie has swollen and its taken in the other religoins as well . Too many folks have bought it and its grown and now
its head shall rise and its kings shall rule one hour with the beast . We better pick up BIBLES and learn that doctrine for ourselves .

 

[amigo de christo]

My point is that someone might actually point out where the lie is in here and point out the person spouting the lie. That might help, right?

As far as the other names , my dear sister its too high too number .
Key ones would be beth moore , francis chan , stephen furtick , the prosperty preachers , its invaded the nar and charemstic movement
its been all over the emergent church and its all over the evangelical realm . THERE IS TOO Many for me to list them all . TODD white
benny hinn , joyce meyer , TD Jakes , joel ostein , and scores and scores of others . We better KNOW our LORD . Learn those bibles .

 

[amigo de christo]

Andy stanley , and os many others as well . We better know our BIBLE , we better know that JESUS WELL . cause i have never
seen such a false love take over for a false unity under what they think is christ , but is anti christ and what they think is GOD but it aint GOD
its the dragon . We must do all now to point to Christ . Remind all to get into those bibles and learn that doctrine .
DO all that we can , WHILE we can for the sake of them all . POINT to CHRIST and get in those bibles to learn .

 

[marks]

We know the bible is full of verses that command us to obey the laws of God including the sheep and goats scriptures. And I think we should obey the commandments and encourage others to as well. And many of these verses condemn the lawless. But I would like to know if there is more to the salvation of those that have trouble obeying the commandments.

We have imperfect self control, and God knows that. So He made salvation by grace through faith so none would be disqualified.

Romans 4:16 KJV
Therefore it is of faith, that it might be by grace; to the end the promise might be sure to all the seed; not to that only which is of the law, but to that also which is of the faith of Abraham; who is the father of us all,

Certainly our desire is for sanctification and holiness, and as we mature in the Spirit these are more in our lives. Meanwhile, His grace reaches me.

Reliance on our works to "keep us justified" is falling from grace, that is, the reliance on God's gift, to works, that we not disqualify ourselves for our incontinence.

Much love!

 

[atpollard]

Agree or disagree?​

“Christians are like manure: spread them out and they help everything grow better, but keep them in one big pile and they stink horribly.”

“When it’s hard and you are doubtful, give more.”

“Can you worship a God who isn’t obligated to explain His actions to you? Could it be your arrogance that makes you think God owes you an explanation?”

“But God doesn’t call us to be comfortable. He calls us to trust Him so completely that we are unafraid to put ourselves in situations where we will be in trouble if He doesn’t come through.”

“Lukewarm people don’t really want to be saved from their sin; they want only to be saved from the penalty of their sin.”

“Our greatest fear should not be of failure but of succeeding at things in life that don’t really matter.”

“The irony is that while God doesn’t need us but still wants us, we desperately need God but don’t really want Him most of the time.”

“Something is wrong when our lives make sense to unbelievers.”

“God is the only being who is good, and the standards are set by Him. Because God hates sin, He has to punish those guilty of sin. Maybe that’s not an appealing standard. But to put it bluntly, when you get your own universe, you can make your own standards.”

“Do you know that nothing you do in this life will ever matter, unless it is about loving God and loving the people he has made?”

 

[atpollard]

Agree or Disagree?​

In an unbelieving, ungodly world, the believer stands out like a light on a hill; if we’ve been born again
and received Jesus Christ, we have the Spirit of grace living in us to teach us godliness and Christian
conduct. Grace working in us causes us to voluntarily depend on God in every situation and to believe
His love for us; this produces humility in us because of our relationship with Him. What makes us
different from others is our faith in Jesus, who makes us righteous before God independent of our actions.
Believing in His finished works spares us from endless self-effort to accomplish what we need in our lives;
a mindset like this gives us the victory that Jesus has already achieved for us.

1. Believers depend on God, not on themselves; believing His Word matures us spiritually.
We’re spiritually immature until we understand the life of righteousness by faith.

2. Faith that Jesus took all our sins and unrighteousness makes us righteous before God. We
could never do enough good things for God to consider us righteous; we must therefore be
careful not to have more faith in what we do for Jesus than in what He has already done for
us.

3. What we believe governs what we do; if we believe we’re righteous, we’ll live that way. We
must be conscious and aware of our righteousness in Christ.

4. Our righteousness doesn’t come from anything we do, but from what Jesus did. God gave us
freedom to make our own choices; we must choose between the righteousness of God and
our own righteousness.

 

[stunnedbygrace]

The liar who rules over the other lies who rule within christendom is a man who most see as kind , caring , always speaking about doing
good to the poor . But beware him and his co workers . His name .............POPE FRANICS , his children
most all leaders within most churches now . Rick warren and scores of others helped to pave the way . The seeker friendly helped to pave the way
till now its all about this unity , co exist , all inclusive lie from hell .
If any is sitting in a church that promotes this unity of pope francis , GET OUT and take everything and everyone you can with you .
This lie has swollen and its taken in the other religoins as well . Too many folks have bought it and its grown and now
its head shall rise and its kings shall rule one hour with the beast . We better pick up BIBLES and learn that doctrine for ourselves .

Hmm…okay. I got the impression she was rather warning devin about a person in HERE, but maybe you’re right.

 

[stunnedbygrace]

As far as the other names , my dear sister its too high too number .
Key ones would be beth moore , francis chan , stephen furtick , the prosperty preachers , its invaded the nar and charemstic movement
its been all over the emergent church and its all over the evangelical realm . THERE IS TOO Many for me to list them all . TODD white
benny hinn , joyce meyer , TD Jakes , joel ostein , and scores and scores of others . We better KNOW our LORD . Learn those bibles .

Oh…okay. Maybe she was warning devin about THOSE people. Hmm…

 

[amigo de christo]

Oh…okay. Maybe she was warning devin about THOSE people. Hmm…

oh , i have no idea who she warning devin about . I just decided i had better warn out against such folks .