Are Jehovah's witnesses real Christians?

[Ronald Nolette]

Keep in mind Ron, we are only prophets in the sense of spreading understanding of what is already written. Like all faiths we are uninspired, and only reveal things to the world that is revealed to us. Do we have absolute truth? No! And as I have asked you many times, if you can direct me to who does then I will certainly go there. However, since Jesus stated very clearly that a faithful slave would feed his sheep during the last days, I believe him sir. To me it is a no brainer. Now obviously you believe that the faithful slave is not who I think it is, so perhaps you could direct me to who you think it is. Clearly considering the stream of time, the slave should be easily identified, correct? Surely you do not think that God would feed His people through this slave, without His people being able to identify it, do you?

Remember that is a parable! It is not a doctrinal statement. and the men at Watchtower HQ are not a faithful and discreet slave.

When they say that forgetting the bible and reading just their material will put someone in the light for they will have the light of scripture and falsely predict the end of the world 7 times- that makes them a slave not worth eating food from.

 

[Ronald Nolette]

I agree with you Ron, God is the author. Quite possibly you are correct about the 42 men who penned it as well, I do not know the exact number, but was aware it was over 40.

I do agree that all people benefit from the Bible, however those "42" men were God's servants, and they penned those words for God's people, but I do not disagree with your last statement either, for the world to read the testimony of God. Keep in mind however, that Jesus sent forth his disciples to spread the good news of the Kingdom to the ends of the earth, not the Bible sir. Mat 28:19,20; 24:14. They use the Bible to instruct them however.

Jesus sent th4 apostles out to build His church. This is accomplished by preaching the death, burial and physical resurrection of Jesus as the only acceptable payment for ones sins. As is par for the course, the Watchtower ripped the gospel of the kingdom out of its context and have failed to understand its context.

 

[Wrangler]

What is abominable about the NWT?

Cricket … Cricket … Cricket …

 

[Robert Gwin]

I don't. I do emphasize words with caps to get him to look a little closer. But he gets to me in that my heart breaks. Most Jw's I met remind me of what Paul said of the Jews: that they have a zeal for God, but not according to knowledge.

I think you will find us to be quite educated in God's ways sir.

 

[Robert Gwin]

John 1:1, Phil 2:9 for starters.

Your selected version states the Word was God, and then when written the same way at Acts 28:6 renders it a god. The New World translation renders it a god in both instances. So which is correct, and consistent?

Is Jesus God? Or is Jehovah, Jesus' father God? If He isn't then why did Jesus lie about it?

 

[Robert Gwin]

Yes He is but not in the way the Watchtower falsely teaches. They totally misunderstand what is being said there.

Great! So how is he created Ron?

 

[Robert Gwin]

Now you are twisting the words of the Watchtower! Don't weasel out of their claims of being a prophet and Gods sole channel of communication.

We do believe we are Gods' sole channel of communication sir. We believe God hasn't sent prophets for centuries sir.

 

[Robert Gwin]

Remember that is a parable! It is not a doctrinal statement. and the men at Watchtower HQ are not a faithful and discreet slave.

When they say that forgetting the bible and reading just their material will put someone in the light for they will have the light of scripture and falsely predict the end of the world 7 times- that makes them a slave not worth eating food from.

We do not believe that to be figurative sir, someone has to be the shepherd of the sheep correct? What basis do you have to believe the sheep can simply just do what they feel is correct? I know of no faith that teaches that.

 

[Robert Gwin]

Jesus sent th4 apostles out to build His church. This is accomplished by preaching the death, burial and physical resurrection of Jesus as the only acceptable payment for ones sins. As is par for the course, the Watchtower ripped the gospel of the kingdom out of its context and have failed to understand its context.

Yes sir, he sent us, and then of course the disciples they made continued to make more disciples until you have what we have today, and eventually the good news will reach all to God's satisfaction as I stated Mat 24:14

 

[Ronald Nolette]

I think you will find us to be quite educated in God's ways sir.

Maybe in many of Gods Ways, but you reject His only way to be saved and thus keep yourself outside His kingdom.

We do not believe that to be figurative sir, someone has to be the shepherd of the sheep correct? What basis do you have to believe the sheep can simply just do what they feel is correct? I know of no faith that teaches that.

It doesn't matter what you believe sir. the bible constructed it in the way that proves it a parable. The Watchtower created an entire doctrine over this parable.

Yes sir, he sent us, and then of course the disciples they made continued to make more disciples until you have what we have today, and eventually the good news will reach all to God's satisfaction as I stated Mat 24:14

But the Watchtowers good news is not Gods good news!

We do believe we are Gods' sole channel of communication sir. We believe God hasn't sent prophets for centuries sir.

Yes you do, but you are not. And the Watchtower for decades declared itself to be Gods prophet on earth. Then God's prophet like organization. then the slave class.

Great! So how is he created Ron?

Well as He was not created as the Bible declares- you start from a faulty perception.

Your selected version states the Word was God, and then when written the same way at Acts 28:6 renders it a god. The New World translation renders it a god in both instances. So which is correct, and consistent?

Is Jesus God? Or is Jehovah, Jesus' father God? If He isn't then why did Jesus lie about it?

Well if you wish to act that ignorantly, then Paul declared there are many Gods! But just because it is written the same way doesn't mean they are the same

Is Jesus God? Or is Jehovah, Jesus' father God? If He isn't then why did Jesus lie about it?

in biblical meaning. shame on you for not knowing that! If it means the same- then Jesus must be a false god for the Bible declares there is only one true God! That means all others called god are false gods! Unless of course you have abandoned rational thinking as well as proper grammar.

There is no God named Jehovah! We have been through that. but Jesus is Yahweh with His Father! The bible declares so. Isaiah is filled with references to Jesus as Yahweh Sabaoth! 60 to be exact!

 

[Wrangler]

That is why A. kneeland translated the NT in 1822, comparing Greek and English side by side to prove to the world-a god belongs in the last line at John 1:1--using Greek Lexicons translated by Catholicism as all translations were, yet 19 other translations as well had-a god in the last line, 3 had and was divine or divine like. Rejected by every trinity clergy because that fact exposes them as false religion.

The investment Christology has in their idol, cannot allow them to recognize a single argument is weak or their whole house of cards may fall.

This is why I started a thread on REAL-lowercase gods in Scripture.

Words are WHAT’s not WHO’s. But the Scriptural evidence for their man-is-god idol is too think to concede the word of God was a god.

 

[Robert Gwin]

Maybe in many of Gods Ways, but you reject His only way to be saved and thus keep yourself outside His kingdom.


It doesn't matter what you believe sir. the bible constructed it in the way that proves it a parable. The Watchtower created an entire doctrine over this parable.


But the Watchtowers good news is not Gods good news!


Yes you do, but you are not. And the Watchtower for decades declared itself to be Gods prophet on earth. Then God's prophet like organization. then the slave class.


Well as He was not created as the Bible declares- you start from a faulty perception.


Well if you wish to act that ignorantly, then Paul declared there are many Gods! But just because it is written the same way doesn't mean they are the same


in biblical meaning. shame on you for not knowing that! If it means the same- then Jesus must be a false god for the Bible declares there is only one true God! That means all others called god are false gods! Unless of course you have abandoned rational thinking as well as proper grammar.

There is no God named Jehovah! We have been through that. but Jesus is Yahweh with His Father! The bible declares so. Isaiah is filled with references to Jesus as Yahweh Sabaoth! 60 to be exact

Maybe in many of Gods Ways, but you reject His only way to be saved and thus keep yourself outside His kingdom.


It doesn't matter what you believe sir. the bible constructed it in the way that proves it a parable. The Watchtower created an entire doctrine over this parable.


But the Watchtowers good news is not Gods good news!


Yes you do, but you are not. And the Watchtower for decades declared itself to be Gods prophet on earth. Then God's prophet like organization. then the slave class.


Well as He was not created as the Bible declares- you start from a faulty perception.


Well if you wish to act that ignorantly, then Paul declared there are many Gods! But just because it is written the same way doesn't mean they are the same


in biblical meaning. shame on you for not knowing that! If it means the same- then Jesus must be a false god for the Bible declares there is only one true God! That means all others called god are false gods! Unless of course you have abandoned rational thinking as well as proper grammar.

There is no God named Jehovah! We have been through that. but Jesus is Yahweh with His Father! The bible declares so. Isaiah is filled with references to Jesus as Yahweh Sabaoth! 60 to be exact!

Thanks for your input Ron. I see no need to comment on this post.

 

[Ronald Nolette]

Thanks for your input Ron. I see no need to comment on this post.

OK then.

 

[Keiw]

OK then.

The only way to be saved( Matt 7:21)--Living now to do Jesus' Fathers will over our own will, just as Jesus did. and that will = Man does not live by bread alone, but by EVERY utterance from God.

 

[Titus]

Jehovah's Witness are not christians. God makes one a christian not man. First condition of God to be added to Christ is Faith in Jesus. Jehovahs Witness have no faith that Jesus is who He claims to be.

John 8:24
-Therefore I said to you that you will die in your sins; for if you do not believe that I am He, you will die in your sins.

 

[marks]

Remember that is a parable! It is not a doctrinal statement. and the men at Watchtower HQ are not a faithful and discreet slave.

When they say that forgetting the bible and reading just their material will put someone in the light for they will have the light of scripture and falsely predict the end of the world 7 times- that makes them a slave not worth eating food from.

The faithful servant of Christ does not deny Who Jesus Christ is. JW doctrine makes Jesus nobody! Denying Jesus Christ. That is not Christianity, claimin God to be a liar!

 

[Ronald Nolette]

The only way to be saved( Matt 7:21)--Living now to do Jesus' Fathers will over our own will, just as Jesus did. and that will = Man does not live by bread alone, but by EVERY utterance from God.

The only way to be saved is to trust in teh death, burial and physical resurrection of Jesus for your sin debt! It doesn't matter how good you are- you are still a sinner! That leaves a person condemned. Someone has to pay that debt! Either we accept the payment jesus made with His blood or we have to pay it ourself in the eternal lake of fire!

You are suggesting a salvation based on works which is another gospel and against teh will of god!

Jesus answered teh pharisees:

John 6:27-29

King James Version

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27 Labour not for the meat which perisheth, but for that meat which endureth unto everlasting life, which the Son of man shall give unto you: for him hath God the Father sealed.
28 Then said they unto him, What shall we do, that we might work the works of God?
29 Jesus answered and said unto them, This is the work of God, that ye believe on him whom he hath sent.

All acceptable works spring from teh faith that gives eternal life by trusting in Jesus alone!

 

[Keiw]

The only way to be saved is to trust in teh death, burial and physical resurrection of Jesus for your sin debt! It doesn't matter how good you are- you are still a sinner! That leaves a person condemned. Someone has to pay that debt! Either we accept the payment jesus made with His blood or we have to pay it ourself in the eternal lake of fire!

You are suggesting a salvation based on works which is another gospel and against teh will of god!

Jesus answered teh pharisees:

John 6:27-29​

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King James Version​

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27 Labour not for the meat which perisheth, but for that meat which endureth unto everlasting life, which the Son of man shall give unto you: for him hath God the Father sealed.
28 Then said they unto him, What shall we do, that we might work the works of God?
29 Jesus answered and said unto them, This is the work of God, that ye believe on him whom he hath sent.

All acceptable works spring from teh faith that gives eternal life by trusting in Jesus alone!

Again you are in error. Acts 2:22 is clear--Repent and turn around to get sin blotted out.

 

[Ronald Nolette]

Again you are in error. Acts 2:22 is clear--Repent and turn around to get sin blotted out.

Well as you do not know what they had to repent of and turn from- I understand your ignorance! Repent is meta-noia which means to change your mind. They had to change and accept Jesus as Messiah! Most of them were already Goid fearing Jews striving to obey the law, and that wasn't enough!

Jesus said it b est:

18 He that believeth on him is not condemned: but he that believeth not is condemned already, because he hath not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God.

36 He that believeth on the Son hath everlasting life: and he that believeth not the Son shall not see life; but the wrath of God abideth on him.

They are teaching you a false gospel.

 

[Keiw]

Well as you do not know what they had to repent of and turn from- I understand your ignorance! Repent is meta-noia which means to change your mind. They had to change and accept Jesus as Messiah! Most of them were already Goid fearing Jews striving to obey the law, and that wasn't enough!

Jesus said it b est:

18 He that believeth on him is not condemned: but he that believeth not is condemned already, because he hath not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God.

36 He that believeth on the Son hath everlasting life: and he that believeth not the Son shall not see life; but the wrath of God abideth on him.

They are teaching you a false gospel.

Matt 7:22-23--these believe but will not see life. Jesus teaches this.
Turn around means--stop doing the sin.
And the bible speaks of the real Jesus only, 4 different ones being taught on earth.