2 Peter 3:10 The Big Whoosh

[Truth7t7]

The abomination of desolation spoken by Daniel began when Christ came and His people rejected Him, and their house was left unto them desolate. (Mt 23:38) Jerusalem and the Temple was the holy place unto God. And the destruction in AD 70 was written to be an example for Christ's Church as the Gospel is proclaimed unto all the earth. AOD according to Daniel came to the nation when the promised Messiah was cut off. The cross, the ultimate betrayal by Daniel's people, the leaders of the Jews ceased to be the holy people unto God.

Daniel 9:26-27 (KJV) And after threescore and two weeks shall Messiah be cut off, but not for himself: and the people of the prince that shall come shall destroy the city and the sanctuary; and the end thereof shall be with a flood, and unto the end of the war desolations are determined. And he shall confirm the covenant with many for one week: and in the midst of the week he shall cause the sacrifice and the oblation to cease, and for the overspreading of abominations he shall make it desolate, even until the consummation, and that determined shall be poured upon the desolate.

This warning of AOD is written for His disciples, the Church on earth as the Gospel is proclaimed unto all the earth. The same thing that happened to the nation of Israel can happen to the Church. The Church too can reject Christ. This is clear from all the warnings in Scripture. When the Church rejects Christ it too has become an abomination unto God and the result is the Church becomes a desolation without light and life, a church in name only, just as Jerusalem is today. Just as the holy people, city and temple had the light of God taken from them, so too Christ warns His Church on earth that we too can fall when we reject our first love which is rejection of Christ. Unlike the Jews of old who refused to repent, the Church on earth is called again and again to repent and do what we are called for, build the Kingdom that is through the love of Christ.

Revelation 2:4-5 (KJV) Nevertheless I have somewhat against thee, because thou hast left thy first love. Remember therefore from whence thou art fallen, and repent, and do the first works; or else I will come unto thee quickly, and will remove thy candlestick out of his place, except thou repent.

I Strongly Disagree

Daniel's AOD is future, and the bad guy causing the Abomination and Desolation will be present on earth to the "Consummation" Ultimate End

"Future" Events Unfulfilled

This "Future" figure will be present on earth making (Abomination & Desolation) to the (Consummation) or (The Ultimate End) "Future" Event(s) Unfulfilled

(The Future Consummation)

2 Peter 3:10KJV
10 But the day of the Lord will come as a thief in the night; in the which the heavens shall pass away with a great noise, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat, the earth also and the works that are therein shall be burned up.

Merriam-Webster
Definition of consummation

1: the act of consummating the consummation of a contract by mutual signature specifically : the consummating of a marriage
2: the ultimate end

Daniel's AOD (Even Until The Consummation) "Future"!

Daniel 9:27KJV
27 And he shall confirm the covenant with many for one week: and in the midst of the week he shall cause the sacrifice and the oblation to cease, and for the overspreading of abominations he shall make it desolate, even until the consummation, and that determined shall be poured upon the desolate.

 

[Keraz]

In the book of Revelation, the word "earth" refers to the nation of Israel.

In the Bible the word 'eratz', translated as 'earth', generally means the holy Land.
But it can mean the whole world. Context determines the correct usage.

 

[rwb]

Again, what you say is true in general. But Ezekiel is talking about a specific time and place when and where God will vindicate himself. This requires that God bring his people back to the land, bless them materially, protect them from their enemies. In return this also requires the people to keep his commandments and worship him from the heart, soul, mind and spirit. And this must take place before eternity begins.

This appears to me to be your view, but it is not biblical. Where can we find verses that speak of God's need to vindicate Himself? The land that God gives to His people has greatly expanded from His original promise of physical land. The promised land the people of God receive through Christ is inheritance of the whole earth.

Matthew 5:5 (KJV) Blessed are the meek: for they shall inherit the earth.

Romans 4:13 (KJV) For the promise, that he should be the heir of the world, was not to Abraham, or to his seed, through the law, but through the righteousness of faith.

Psalm 25:13 (KJV) His soul shall dwell at ease; and his seed shall inherit the earth.

 

[rwb]

Not fulfilled completely. It was the beginning of the fulfillment. Joel, who Peter was quoting, indicated that the fulfillment would occur in "the last days". The last days had begun already back then and lead up to the day of Christ's second coming (2 Peter 3:3-4).

Don't you understand that prophecies can have an ongoing fulfillment? I know you do because you believe the prophecies regarding the day of the Lord have an ongoing fuilfillment over a thousand year period. So, why are you acting as if you can't understand this concept?

Of course Pentecost was the beginning of the fulfillment of the prophecy from Joel. Because the time frame covers the Gospel age where men/women would call on the name of the Lord to be saved. That was not fulfilled at Pentecost but is being fulfilled as the Gospel is being proclaimed unto all the world in the power of the Spirit.

 

[rwb]

I Strongly Disagree

Daniel's AOD is future, and the bad guy causing the Abomination and Desolation will be present on earth to the "Consummation" Ultimate End

"Future" Events Unfulfilled

This "Future" figure will be present on earth making (Abomination & Desolation) to the (Consummation) or (The Ultimate End) "Future" Event(s) Unfulfilled

(The Future Consummation)

2 Peter 3:10KJV
10 But the day of the Lord will come as a thief in the night; in the which the heavens shall pass away with a great noise, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat, the earth also and the works that are therein shall be burned up.

Merriam-Webster
Definition of consummation

1: the act of consummating the consummation of a contract by mutual signature specifically : the consummating of a marriage
2: the ultimate end

Daniel's AOD (Even Until The Consummation) "Future"!

Daniel 9:27KJV
27 And he shall confirm the covenant with many for one week: and in the midst of the week he shall cause the sacrifice and the oblation to cease, and for the overspreading of abominations he shall make it desolate, even until the consummation, and that determined shall be poured upon the desolate.

The AOD is both past, present and future. And yes, I agree the AOD will continue to plague the Church on earth as long as the Church remains on the earth, which will be the consummation or end of all these things on earth.

 

[Randy Kluth]

Gods Wrath is during the 7 Seals, 7 Trumps, 7 Vials.

Yes, I know.

 

[Truth7t7]

I can see you are in attack mode. Unfortunately, I am in conversation mode. Please consider what I am saying and think about it very carefully.

Let me take you step-by-step through the story.

Take Joe for instance; he is born in to a poor family who live in Oklahoma. After he finishes 6th grade he gets a job working for the railroad. Eventually, he works his way up to engineer. One day he dies at the young age of 45. During all that time, he never experiences the NHNE. One would think, for him, the NHNE didn't come in his lifetime. But wait a minute. Joe was raised by Christian parents and Joe gave his life to Jesus Christ as a young man. At the final trumpet, Joe is raised to be with the Lord forever. At some time after the resurrection, God brings about the NHNE; that is, Joe is alive the moment when God brings about the NHNE.

Did Joe witness the inauguration of the NHNE in his lifetime? I think so. What about you?

No argument mode whatsoever, just shutting down your attempts to establish "False Dostrine" it's that simple

Your analogy is "False", as your original statement was they will experience the NHNE in their "Lifetime"

"Lifetime" is while a person is a living human on earth, your claim Joe living a prosperous Christian life equals the NHNE is false

The NHNE takes place "After" the second coming and final judgment by fire, this earth will be dissolved by fire, then the NHNE is revealed for eternity

Jesus Is The Lord

 

[Truth7t7]

You say Revelation 13:5 mentions the GT?

I have explained my belief in great detail, you might disagree, but it has been clearly explained

 

[Truth7t7]

So if believers are resurrected on the last day, won't they be alive on the last day to witness the inauguration of the NHNE?

You are backpeddling in your claim now

You initially stated "All Believers" experience the NHNE in "Their Lifetime"

Your aren't going to push false doctrine unchecked, your claims are false

 

[Truth7t7]

In the book of Revelation, the word "earth" refers to the nation of Israel.

False, you will note your claims aren't supported by scripture

 

[Truth7t7]

The AOD is both past, present and future. And yes, I agree the AOD will continue to plague the Church on earth as long as the Church remains on the earth, which will be the consummation or end of all these things on earth.

I Strongly Disagree

"Daniel's AOD Is 100% Future" And Will Be Caused By A Living Human Man That Will Be Present On Earth Making Desolation Until The "Consummation" or "Ultimate End"

Daniel's AOD is future, and the bad guy causing the Abomination and Desolation will be present on earth to the "Consummation" Ultimate End

"Future" Events Unfulfilled

This "Future" figure will be present on earth making (Abomination & Desolation) to the (Consummation) or (The Ultimate End) "Future" Event(s) Unfulfilled

(The Future Consummation)

2 Peter 3:10KJV
10 But the day of the Lord will come as a thief in the night; in the which the heavens shall pass away with a great noise, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat, the earth also and the works that are therein shall be burned up.

Merriam-Webster
Definition of consummation

1: the act of consummating the consummation of a contract by mutual signature specifically : the consummating of a marriage
2: the ultimate end

Daniel's AOD (Even Until The Consummation) "Future"!

Daniel 9:27KJV
27 And he shall confirm the covenant with many for one week: and in the midst of the week he shall cause the sacrifice and the oblation to cease, and for the overspreading of abominations he shall make it desolate, even until the consummation, and that determined shall be poured upon the desolate.

 

[Timtofly]

The Day of the Lord that is coming when the seventh trumpet begins to sound is the last day of this Church and Gospel age. The seventh trumpet does not usher in more time on this earth that premillennialists imagine will last ONE thousand years. The sounding of the seventh trumpet is when time or opportunity to be saved on this earth shall be finished.

Revelation 10:5-7 (KJV) And the angel which I saw stand upon the sea and upon the earth lifted up his hand to heaven, And sware by him that liveth for ever and ever, who created heaven, and the things that therein are, and the earth, and the things that therein are, and the sea, and the things which are therein, that there should be time no longer: But in the days of the voice of the seventh angel, when he shall begin to sound, the mystery of God should be finished, as he hath declared to his servants the prophets.

You avoided the question. Why can you not answer it? The kingdoms of this earth become the kingdoms of Christ. Then Jesus rules over them, directly on earth. Why do Amil avoid this point?

The 7th Trumpet is the end of Daniel's 70 weeks. It is the end of Adam's dead corruptible flesh. It is the end of sin and decay and death from the punishment of sin. Sin is no longer in the world after that point.

Creation does not end. The time of Adam's rebellion is over. That is why Satan is bound. His time is up as well.

 

[Timtofly]

Yes the Day of the Lord did come when the promised Messiah came to earth a man. The Day of the Lord did not come with power from above until the Spirit was poured out at Pentecost. It is through the power of the Holy Spirit that the Church on earth finds great success in proclaiming the Gospel of Christ unto all the earth, and through the Gospel the Kingdom of God in heaven is being built.

Peter with all the New Covenant writers live after the advent of Christ coming in His Day as the prophets foretell He would. So they don't look for the Day of the Lord to come, knowing it already has come, the New Covenant saints look for the final Day of the Lord that will come when the last trumpet begins to sound that time shall be no more.

The holy city, new Jerusalem is currently in heaven (Rev 21) that is from where Christ is currently ruling and reigning over His creation. The Kingdom of God in heaven will be complete when the seventh trumpet begins to sound AFTER a thousand symbolic years has ended.

The statement of yours below that I've quoted is without a doubt one of the most abs urd, bizarre statements I've ever heard from one who professes to be a Christian???? If you find this nonsense in the Word of God, you should be able to provide where the verses are found from Scripture???

"Then after 1,000 years, God still allows Satan to walk among all those new people on earth, and deceive them into following Satan. No one in Adam's dead corruptible flesh should understand that. But that is what God placed in His Word. We can only accept it as written."

So 2 Peter 3 has all been fulfilled. All the works on earth and the heavens were dissolved. We are no longer waiting for that thief in the night moment?

Is all of Revelation now fulfilled as well, and we are living in the NHNE?

 

[Timtofly]

Not fulfilled completely. It was the beginning of the fulfillment. Joel, who Peter was quoting, indicated that the fulfillment would occur in "the last days". The last days had begun already back then and lead up to the day of Christ's second coming (2 Peter 3:3-4).

Don't you understand that prophecies can have an ongoing fulfillment? I know you do because you believe the prophecies regarding the day of the Lord have an ongoing fuilfillment over a thousand year period. So, why are you acting as if you can't understand this concept?

The two last days, before the day of the Lord.

Or the two last 1,000 years, before the 1,000 year Day of the Lord.

 

[amigo de christo]

Visualize the beauty of this , WHEN THE LORD JESUS COMES for the lambs there is gonna be a HUGE
WOOSH of JOY surging through all lambs . Take that to the bank . Now let all that has breath praise the LORD .

 

[amigo de christo]

No argument mode whatsoever, just shutting down your attempts to establish "False Dostrine" it's that simple

Your analogy if "False", as your original statement was they will experience the NHNE in their "Lifetime"

"Lifetime" is while a person is a living human on earth, your claim Joe living a prosperous Christian life equals the NHNE is false

The NHNE takes place "After" the second coming and final judgment by fire, this earth will be dissolved by fire, then the NHNE is revealed for eternity

Jesus Is The Lord

The new heavens and the new earth SURE DOES take place after the second coming of the glorious LORD .
Anything else is a deception that will simply lead the people to create their own new heaven and new earth
through the false peace of ANTI CHRIST . FOlks we need to be in our bibles . Now Let the LORD be praised .

 

[ewq1938]

The new heavens and the new earth SURE DOES take place after the second coming of the glorious LORD

Sure long after. It's just as factual but vague to say the NHNE comes after the death of Adam or Moses.

 

[Taken]

It never will be manifested on earth the way you think it will. Jesus said Himself that His kingdom does not come with observation (Luke 17:20). He will deliver His kingdom that came without observation to the Father when He comes at the end of the age (1 Cor 15:22-24, Matt 13:40-43). Then the kingdom will be manifested on the (new/renewed) earth.

You are mixing what IS with what SHALL BE.
Jesus Himself answered the question ABOUT the “Kingdom of God” being without observation.

God Sent the Son of Man to Earth.
Human men SAW the Son of Man.
The Son of Man left Earth.
The Son of Man Shall return to Earth WITH Power.
The Son of Man Shall rule His Kingdom for 1,000 years.
Mortal men Shall again SEE the Son of Man.
Mortal men WHO have become Converted IN Christ, have does so for 2,000+ years WITHOUT observation.
At the END of Tribulation, END of Judgements, No mortal mans EYES Shall SEE the new Earth, nor shall SEE Gods Kingdom.

 

[Truth7t7]

The two last days, before the day of the Lord.

Or the two last 1,000 years, before the 1,000 year Day of the Lord.

Chaotic Confusion

 

[Truth7t7]

Yes the Day of the Lord did come when the promised Messiah came to earth a man. The Day of the Lord did not come with power from above until the Spirit was poured out at Pentecost. It is through the power of the Holy Spirit that the Church on earth finds great success in proclaiming the Gospel of Christ unto all the earth, and through the Gospel the Kingdom of God in heaven is being built.

Peter with all the New Covenant writers live after the advent of Christ coming in His Day as the prophets foretell He would. So they don't look for the Day of the Lord to come, knowing it already has come, the New Covenant saints look for the final Day of the Lord that will come when the last trumpet begins to sound that time shall be no more.

The holy city, new Jerusalem is currently in heaven (Rev 21) that is from where Christ is currently ruling and reigning over His creation. The Kingdom of God in heaven will be complete when the seventh trumpet begins to sound AFTER a thousand symbolic years has ended.

The statement of yours below that I've quoted is without a doubt one of the most abs urd, bizarre statements I've ever heard from one who professes to be a Christian???? If you find this nonsense in the Word of God, you should be able to provide where the verses are found from Scripture???

"Then after 1,000 years, God still allows Satan to walk among all those new people on earth, and deceive them into following Satan. No one in Adam's dead corruptible flesh should understand that. But that is what God placed in His Word. We can only accept it as written."

Your claim is "False" (The Day Of The Lord) is a "Future Event" that takes place at the Lord's second coming as seen below (The End)

There Will Be No 1,000 Year Millennial Kingdom Upon This Earth, Jesus Christ Returns In Fire And Final Judgement, Dissolving This Existing Earth By Fire, Immediately After The Tribulation

This Existing Heaven And Earth Will Be (Replaced) By The New Heaven, Earth, Jerusalem, A New Creation, At The Return Of Jesus Christ

(Behold, I Make All Things New)

2 Peter 3:10-13KJV
10 But the day of the Lord will come as a thief in the night; in the which the heavens shall pass away with a great noise, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat, the earth also and the works that are therein shall be burned up.
11 Seeing then that all these things shall be dissolved, what manner of persons ought ye to be in all holy conversation and godliness,
12 Looking for and hasting unto the coming of the day of God, wherein the heavens being on fire shall be dissolved, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat?
13 Nevertheless we, according to his promise, look for new heavens and a new earth, wherein dwelleth righteousness.
Revelation 21:1-5KJV
1 And I saw a new heaven and a new earth: for the first heaven and the first earth were passed away; and there was no more sea.
2 And I John saw the holy city, new Jerusalem, coming down from God out of heaven, prepared as a bride adorned for her husband.
3 And I heard a great voice out of heaven saying, Behold, the tabernacle of God is with men, and he will dwell with them, and they shall be his people, and God himself shall be with them, and be their God.
4 And God shall wipe away all tears from their eyes; and there shall be no more death, neither sorrow, nor crying, neither shall there be any more pain: for the former things are passed away.
5 And he that sat upon the throne said, Behold, I make all things new. And he said unto me, Write: for these words are true and faithful.

Matthew 24:29-30KJV
29 Immediately after the tribulation of those days shall the sun be darkened, and the moon shall not give her light, and the stars shall fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens shall be shaken:
30 And then shall appear the sign of the Son of man in heaven: and then shall all the tribes of the earth mourn, and they shall see the Son of man coming in the clouds of heaven with power and great glory.

1 Corinthians 3:13KJV
13 Every man's work shall be made manifest: for the day shall declare it, because it shall be revealed by fire; and the fire shall try every man's work of what sort it is.

Luke 17:29-30KJV
29 But the same day that Lot went out of Sodom it rained fire and brimstone from heaven, and destroyed them all.
30 Even thus shall it be in the day when the Son of man is revealed.

2 Thessalonians 1:7-9KJV
7 And to you who are troubled rest with us, when the Lord Jesus shall be revealed from heaven with his mighty angels,
8 In flaming fire taking vengeance on them that know not God, and that obey not the gospel of our Lord Jesus Christ:
9 Who shall be punished with everlasting destruction from the presence of the Lord, and from the glory of his power;

Malachi 3:2KJV
2 But who may abide the day of his coming? and who shall stand when he appeareth? for he is like a refiner's fire, and like fullers' soap:

Psalm 46:6KJV
6 The heathen raged, the kingdoms were moved: he uttered his voice, the earth melted.

Psalm 50:3KJV
3 Our God shall come, and shall not keep silence: a fire shall devour before him, and it shall be very tempestuous round about him.

Psalm 97:5KJV
5 The hills melted like wax at the presence of the Lord, at the presence of the Lord of the whole earth.

Isaiah 66:15KJV
15 For, behold, the Lord will come with fire, and with his chariots like a whirlwind, to render his anger with fury, and his rebuke with flames of fire.

Zechariah 14:12KJV
12 And this shall be the plague wherewith the Lord will smite all the people that have fought against Jerusalem; Their flesh shall consume away while they stand upon their feet, and their eyes shall consume away in their holes, and their tongue shall consume away in their mouth.

Nahum 1:5-6KJV
5 The mountains quake at him, and the hills melt, and the earth is burned at his presence, yea, the world, and all that dwell therein.
6 Who can stand before his indignation? and who can abide in the fierceness of his anger? his fury is poured out like fire, and the rocks are thrown down by him.

Revelation 20:9KJV
9 And they went up on the breadth of the earth, and compassed the camp of the saints about, and the beloved city: and fire came down from God out of heaven, and devoured them.