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Keiw

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And you ignore to your peril, that those workers of iniquity were NEVER known by Jesus. And Hebrews 10:26 is speaking about a specific sin. If you kept passages in their context- you would know that.

You serve a man made God who will woo a person to salvation, but toss them aside if they are imperfect.

Jesus told Peter to forgive His neighbor 70X7 in a day, but you teach that God will not forgive that much!

I am glad thousands have listened to me and been set free from the lie the Watchtower has indoctrinated you in.

The sin spoken of at Heb is sin that they know it is sin yet do it anyways. But there will be no excuse for any because Gods word lists those unacepptable sins, and have been there for centuries for all to read.

You missed the facts of true God worship history= From Moses on up until this very day, the Israelite religion teach, serve and worship the Abrahamic God= a single being God= YHWH(Jehovah)--Thus taught to Jesus and every bible writer when they attended those places of worship. One cannot get by those undeniable facts of reality.
 

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Jesus teaches he has a God, his Father-John 20:17, as did his appointed teachers-Coll 1:3, Eph 1:13,17--1Peter 1:3--- as do his appointed teachers today. Its not to hard to see. It takes believing Jesus. John 17:3--This means eternal life, their knowing you( Father) THE ONLY TRUE GOD and the one whom you sent forth Christ Jesus. Again Jesus teaches the Father is the only true God and the only true God sent another named Jesus as a mortal, God did not come down here and let mortals kill him. It takes believing Jesus--all his real followers do.

And I never once disagreed that the Father is the god of Jesus! But that does not diminish one bit that Jesus is by nature fully divine as His Father as the bible declares.

If you wish to say that the Father is the only true God- you have to declare Jesus a false god because He is called god in many places!

But when Thomas called Jesus God- Jesus did not rebuke Him for blasphemy! Which if Jesus was truly a good teacher and the Son of God only- He should have, for Thomas' remark was blasphemy if Jesus is not fully divine as His Father.
 

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The sin spoken of at Heb is sin that they know it is sin yet do it anyways. But there will be no excuse for any because Gods word lists those unacepptable sins, and have been there for centuries for all to read.

You missed the facts of true God worship history= From Moses on up until this very day, the Israelite religion teach, serve and worship the Abrahamic God= a single being God= YHWH(Jehovah)--Thus taught to Jesus and every bible writer when they attended those places of worship. One cannot get by those undeniable facts of reality.


YOu could not be more wrong than if you never even opened a bible once!
 

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And I never once disagreed that the Father is the god of Jesus! But that does not diminish one bit that Jesus is by nature fully divine as His Father as the bible declares.

If you wish to say that the Father is the only true God- you have to declare Jesus a false god because He is called god in many places!

But when Thomas called Jesus God- Jesus did not rebuke Him for blasphemy! Which if Jesus was truly a good teacher and the Son of God only- He should have, for Thomas' remark was blasphemy if Jesus is not fully divine as His Father.
If Jesus were God he would already have been king, but he was appointed-Dan 7:13-15--One like the son of man= created.
If Jesus were God, he would have all authority already but it had to be given to him.
If Jesus were God he would have done the powerful works himself, But God did all of them through Jesus-Acts 2:22, 1Cor 8:5-6
Jesus only teaches what his Father wants him to teach-John 5:30--Jesus only does his Fathers will. Because--The Father is greater than i.
 
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Since Ron stated Jesus was created, but not in the way I thought he was, I asked: So how is he created Ron?
I don't think that is too hard to understand, do you Marks? Why would you even ask something like that anyway, I seriously doubt you can answer for Ron, so what is your motivation for becoming involved in our conversation?
I hardly expected that you would acknowledge this. Why would you? It would be honest, but as you've shown your religion prefers dishonesty and lies. So why should it's adherents be different?

The nice thing about a forum is someone can look back and see what was actually said. Why would I point this out? Why shine a light? To push back darkness, that's why.

Much love!
 

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If Jesus were God he would already have been king, but he was appointed-Dan 7:13-15--One like the son of man= created.
If Jesus were God, he would have all authority already but it had to be given to him.
If Jesus were God he would have done the powerful works himself, But God did all of them through Jesus-Acts 2:22, 1Cor 8:5-6
Jesus only teaches what his Father wants him to teach-John 5:30--Jesus only does his Fathers will. Because--The Father is greater than i.
YOu simply are making assumptions that are unbiblical. And you are also confusing nature with person.
If you were truly an international bible student (the original name of the Jw's) you would know that teh term God refers not only to a person or entity, but also to a nature and essence.

Really, why do we have to keep going over this again and again and again?

I agree Jesus is subordinate to His Father
I agree that the Father is the god of Jesus These are biblical.

But I also agree with the bible that Jesus is as much divine (God) as His Father in His nature.
 

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I am 100% correct.
Catholicisms own encyclopedia says-The apostolic Fathers knew 0 of God being a trinity)---because he,s not.

Well as the statement you cited of me was not about the trinity- you have simply lied to everyone about my words!

It was directed about your opinion of Heb. 10. According to you, these god fearing Jews who were striving to obey the law, if they sinned once more- they were doomed, because they had full knowledge of the law and the sins the law describes, so you are speaking of living sinlessly perfect! Whichis foolish.
 

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Yes Jesus appointed the apostles to lead and then to train others. But He did not create a denomoination.

And your governing body is not teaching the truths taught by Jesus and passed down by the Apostles.
The denomination was already there Ron. God already had covenanted people, and in fact Jesus came to them only. He did however send his apostles to extend this new found faith to all nations, and it is out of them that his bride was to be selected. Many congregations of the denomination formed quickly, but with the apostasy, many divisions came about, but the true denomination has always existed, and in these last days, God is regathering those scattered sheep that went to babylon, calling for them to get out of her my people. That is being fulfilled now, and His people are identified in the Bible. So like you stated prior, no excuses when Jesus returns, only those who know God and obey the law of the Christ will remain 2 Thes 1:6-9
 

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The denomination was already there Ron. God already had covenanted people, and in fact Jesus came to them only. He did however send his apostles to extend this new found faith to all nations, and it is out of them that his bride was to be selected. Many congregations of the denomination formed quickly, but with the apostasy, many divisions came about, but the true denomination has always existed, and in these last days, God is regathering those scattered sheep that went to babylon, calling for them to get out of her my people. That is being fulfilled now, and His people are identified in the Bible. So like you stated prior, no excuses when Jesus returns, only those who know God and obey the law of the Christ will remain 2 Thes 1:6-9
Hate to tell you this, but Christianity is not a sect of Judaism. That is Gods Word Ribirt.
 

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I hardly expected that you would acknowledge this. Why would you? It would be honest, but as you've shown your religion prefers dishonesty and lies. So why should it's adherents be different?

The nice thing about a forum is someone can look back and see what was actually said. Why would I point this out? Why shine a light? To push back darkness, that's why.

Much love!
The teachings of Jesus prove the JW,s are correct. See if you actually knew what Jesus teaches you would know that. I attended different trinity religions in my days. Those teachers got paid to teach their religions brand of dogma and little of what Jesus taught, so its understandable why you dont know what he teaches. The best path for you then is to study Jesus teachings carefully. I will start you off with a super important teaching that every true follower knows by heart already-Matt 6:33--Therefore, keep on seeking- FIRST- the kingdom and his ( YHWH(Jehovah) righteousness and all these things will be added( sustenance, covering, spirituality( Matt 6)
 

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YOu simply are making assumptions that are unbiblical. And you are also confusing nature with person.
If you were truly an international bible student (the original name of the Jw's) you would know that teh term God refers not only to a person or entity, but also to a nature and essence.

Really, why do we have to keep going over this again and again and again?

I agree Jesus is subordinate to His Father
I agree that the Father is the god of Jesus These are biblical.

But I also agree with the bible that Jesus is as much divine (God) as His Father in His nature.
Then the big one=--at the end of the 1000 year reign as Gods appointed king- 1Cor 15:24-28--Jesus must hand the kingdom back to his God and Father and subject himself)---- that means forever... Fact--God is in subjection to no one.
 

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Well as the statement you cited of me was not about the trinity- you have simply lied to everyone about my words!

It was directed about your opinion of Heb. 10. According to you, these god fearing Jews who were striving to obey the law, if they sinned once more- they were doomed, because they had full knowledge of the law and the sins the law describes, so you are speaking of living sinlessly perfect! Whichis foolish.
Only in your twisting-- All sin, God leaves the door open to those to repent and turn around-Acts 3:19) They would only be doomed if they did not repent and turn around. King Mannaseh was a rotten to the core individual--He did great sins against God and man, in his captivity he truly repented and God forgave him and restored him as king.
 

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Hate to tell you this, but Christianity is not a sect of Judaism. That is Gods Word Ribirt.
You are correct Ron, but Jesus came to God's covenanted people, and the door was opened to them first. I guess you would call it an evolution as God's people had came to the next phase of the establishment of the Kingdom.
 

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I hate to inform you, but you then reject Paul. He told His converts to follow him as He followed Jesus. Jesus is the name above all names and the focus is on him right now.
I rather thought that Paul obeyed Jesus sir. He worshiped the God Jesus worshipped of course.
 

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Then the big one=--at the end of the 1000 year reign as Gods appointed king- 1Cor 15:24-28--Jesus must hand the kingdom back to his God and Father and subject himself)---- that means forever... Fact--God is in subjection to no one.
Yes and your point?
 
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