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Reasoning is good, but better to receive what is known by God, than to debate what men only speculate about. We were not left alone. Opinions and and judgments were never to take the place of God. They only light the path for those who walk according to His will. There are also many paths leading to destruction.
Light is good.
I don't believe the bible says that God gives every man the same amount of measure of understanding, or faith, or reasoning.
These are things we need to work out between the individual and the Spirit or amongst a group of likeminded spirit led members.
There is none perfect, no not one..

I believe from time to time God reveals himself in different ways to different people. So everyone gets a piece of the pie and no one person becomes glutoneous.
We know the basics. We have been given the foundation.
But each individual is required to build upon this. We are instructed to be careful how we build upon it though.

measure:
Rom 12:3 For I say, through the grace given unto me, to every man that is among you, not to think of himself more highly than he ought to think; but to think soberly, according as God hath dealt to every man the measure of faith.
Rom 12:6 Having then gifts differing according to the grace that is given to us, whether prophecy, let us prophesy according to the proportion of faith;
1Co 3:8 Now he that planteth and he that watereth are one: and every man shall receive his own reward according to his own labour.

Isa 55:8 For my thoughts are not your thoughts, neither are your ways my ways, saith the LORD.
Isa 55:9 For as the heavens are higher than the earth, so are my ways higher than your ways, and my thoughts than your thoughts.

1Co 3:10 According to the grace of God which is given unto me, as a wise masterbuilder, I have laid the foundation, and another buildeth thereon. But let every man take heed how he buildeth thereupon.

Not everyone hears the same way:
Mar 4:24 And he said unto them, Take heed what ye hear: with what measure ye mete, it shall be measured to you: and unto you that hear shall more be given.

If we had it all, then there would be no need to add to the measure. But like a door, I believe God opens our understanding as we are able to receive it.

Eph 4:16 From whom the whole body fitly joined together and compacted by that which every joint supplieth, according to the effectual working in the measure of every part, maketh increase of the body unto the edifying of itself in love.

I like this version NLT:
He makes the whole body fit together perfectly. As each part does its own special work, it helps the other parts grow, so that the whole body is healthy and growing and full of love.

I guess my conclusion would be:
" but better to receive what is known by God, than to debate what men only speculate about. "

No one knows what God has given each individual to know concerning himself.
And what God may be revealing to one person, may appear as speculation on the part of another.

We should agree though, that whatever we add stays within the framework of the original foundation.
And what is that framework?
There is only one God. And we are here to serve Him.

Mic 6:8 He hath shewed thee, O man, what is good; and what doth the LORD require of thee, but to do justly, and to love mercy, and to walk humbly with thy God?

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What you did here is to bring up something you did, and try to get kudos for doing it.
Did you have to start a thread to toot your own horn, and congratulate yourself on being a master of the universe?

Hope you feel justified.

Ignored. I don't need to read anymore self righteousness.
He is speaking from his heart and is speaking truth. And this comment is exactly what is being referred to.
I suggest if this thread offends you then move on to another thread that is more to your liking. You have a choice whether or not to engage in the discussion.
Have a blessed day.
 
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He is speaking from his heart and is speaking truth. And this comment is exactly what is being referred to.
I suggest if this thread offends you then move on to another thread that is more to your liking. You have a choice whether or not to engage in the discussion.
Have a blessed day.
Hit the trenches its all out war for the souls of men . This world wont last much longer on the path it is on .
Till the LORD comes do all to point to Christ and ensure that folks are not following another jesus which cannot save .
Now lift those hands UP , cause it IS .......LORD PRAISING TIME in the building .
 

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Hit the trenches its all out war for the souls of men . This world wont last much longer on the path it is on .
Till the LORD comes do all to point to Christ and ensure that folks are not following another jesus which cannot save .
Now lift those hands UP , cause it IS .......LORD PRAISING TIME in the building .
Hands raised high! Praises singing forth!
 
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He is speaking from his heart and is speaking truth. And this comment is exactly what is being referred to.
I suggest if this thread offends you then move on to another thread that is more to your liking. You have a choice whether or not to engage in the discussion.
Have a blessed day.
Thank you...I was just disturbed by the fact that things actually come to such a point of biblical rebuke.
 
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Thank you...I was just disturbed by the fact that things actually come to such a point of biblical rebuke.
As I am on a daily basis....I feel certain topics such as those about Jesus should edify, exhort and uplift one another but instead it becomes a battlefield full of strife and division and does not Honor or Glorify Him in any way. Too many come here to make this forum a platform for their doctrine than to fellowship with one another.
That is so heartbreaking to watch Christian brethren fight among one another.

But I pray that we will begin to come together in one body, one faith, one Spirit....for His Kingdom to come and it will please the Lord in what He finds.
 

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Hands raised high! Praises singing forth!
Tomorrow is a special Thanksgiving to the LORD day . Let all praise and thank Him .
Me and my dear sister in the UK will have a little meal and then a nice communion as well .
Its so peaceful when folks love the LORD and just want to do the things pleasing to Him .
Now lift those hands up and let the LORD be praised .
 
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As I am on a daily basis....I feel certain topics such as those about Jesus should edify, exhort and uplift one another but instead it becomes a battlefield full of strife and division and does not Honor or Glorify Him in any way. Too many come here to make this forum a platform for their doctrine than to fellowship with one another.
That is so heartbreaking to watch Christian brethren fight among one another.

But I pray that we will begin to come together in one body, one faith, one Spirit....for His Kingdom to come and it will please the Lord in what He finds.
So long as its not that new world we are one false religion . Cause as YOU KNOW that one is false and fast taking over
a lot of places . Lambs fellowship with lambs who love the Lord . We expose the false religion and
we point TO CHRIST . Now let all that draws breath both praise and thank the glorious Lord .
 

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Incidentally...

I do not see most denominational differences as division--some, but not most. I see it as biblical, as a body of many [different] members.
Now that's a different way of seeing it.
 

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Now that's a different way of seeing it.
I think it is the healthy, positive and proper way to look at it.

The other day I listened to sport fanatics delve into minutia of who was the GOAT in a certain sport. These grown men invest their passion in irrelevant matters.

By contrast, my neighbor is an active member of a local church. Yet, she donates her time watching children during service of another church only because there is a need. She does this despite the 2 churches being of different denominations - for there is no practical division.

A doubt she knows any facts associated with the contenders of the sport’s GOAT’s. And I doubt the 2 men know anything about the denominational differences of the 2 churches she participates in.

IMO, it is not about which church is ‘right’ but what church serves what need. I don’t know what need is served by the religion of the sports fanatics; only that a need is served. The trivial but passionate sports debate is often killed when I lament that it is too bad you men don’t use your powers for good. (The concept seems foreign to them beyond them knowing it is not where their pursuits lie).
 
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Tomorrow is a special Thanksgiving to the LORD day . Let all praise and thank Him .
Me and my dear sister in the UK will have a little meal and then a nice communion as well .
Its so peaceful when folks love the LORD and just want to do the things pleasing to Him .
Now lift those hands up and let the LORD be praised .
Let the glorious Lord be thanked and praised.
 
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we are in an all out battle for the souls of men . The churches simply cannot go along with this false one love .
Its a direct assualt against GOD . We can have no part of a false love that wont save them but rather will condemn them .
Sadly its a love that even more and more within christendom is accepting .
This all inclusive love god that so many think is GOD , aint GOD . Satan has decieved not only the world
through this false love but a lot of christendom is fast trending right down this same road .
Its time we learn the bible and correct brethren and teach them that this is not love and its not OF GOD .
its getting worse too , cause now even more and more in the churches are going all out
against prolesytizing the gospel . Seventy percent of christendom has bought a lie
that GOD is fine with all paths , all religoins . This is nothing more than a strong delusion
to gather the world and her religions to be as one under the guise of a false love and false tolerance .
We must stand now and do all to contend for the true faith and that includes teaching all sound doctrine
and keeping the pattern the early church set FIRM to the end . NO MATTER the cost
cause its gonna cost the lambs . WE will only be hated more and more as we contend for truth . BUT
at least some might hear and repent . ARISE and contend for the truth while there still be time to do so .
Cause time is running out . And if we truly DO love , then we would do all to correct those in error and point them to the truth
the true CHRIST JESUS of the bible and all sound doctrine by which one will grow wise .
 
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As I am on a daily basis....I feel certain topics such as those about Jesus should edify, exhort and uplift one another but instead it becomes a battlefield full of strife and division and does not Honor or Glorify Him in any way. Too many come here to make this forum a platform for their doctrine than to fellowship with one another.
That is so heartbreaking to watch Christian brethren fight among one another.

But I pray that we will begin to come together in one body, one faith, one Spirit....for His Kingdom to come and it will please the Lord in what He finds.
We must not go down this road of a false love that condemns and wont save any .
 

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This may not be a large social platform like youtube, reddit, twitter or facebook. But they send their agents out to infiltrate sites even in what they call the deep web. Sites that are not particularly high up on the radar. Not rarely these sites are even hosted by their agents too.

Not to say to distrust any person you come across in some place. The web is not a real place though. It is fakery. That is what they created the screens for. Seeing is believing. And now that they have people all hooked up on the screens, they can show them fake images, fake avatars and even fake people to talk to. They will even tell you sites like `you`tube are for you. All big social media sites operate at a loss. They still keep them up and running. Why? Total surveillance and digital enslavement of the masses. They want people to feel like the web is this safe haven of free speech where you can post and upload your content and get in touch with other likeminded people worldwide. So that you open up and share your views, your secrets.

They will collect it, add it to their big data mass database and use the data to cater everything to you. Not just ads, but the people you talk to online. The bubble communities on the web that they funnel the people into to prevent them all from talking to anyone else but their designated bubble people. Preventing any important information exchanges and the resolving of conflicts that would otherwise take place between `enemy` camps.

As long as people are in their separate community spaces, they can use their agents to sow fear and hatred and polarize the people. It would be the best if the internet did not exist and none of us were able to communicate in this way. But now that the government already uses it against us, we can carefully use it with a grain of salt. I would not take any conversations with others over the web too serious. You do not know if these people you talk to are real users, bots or feds. This ambiguity of the web is the key to their psychological operations. Together with their false promises of anonymity and free speech. No such thing on the web.

If you think the person you are talking to is authentic and genuine you can still get into conflicts. It is human.
 

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We must preach JESUS and all biblical truth having no fear of man or what he can do to us .
Its true NL 009 what you say concerning they do have spies .
But JESUS will be preached and the all inclusive lie exposed on my watch .
Having no fear of man or what he can do to me .
I have no doubts my name is probably already in a data base for potential terroist .
But so is everyone else who does not adhere or agree to the rainbow inclusive move .
They , these elites see biblical christanity as the number one enemy
they see all fundamentalism of religoin as basically being a threat . BUT biblical christanity is their number one target for sure .
And so many have already swallowed the harlots all inclusive drink and many more are tasting of that cup daily .
We have an all out battle for the souls of men . Let no fear silence our exhortations to one another of biblical truth .
Let not fear silence us of warning against sin and error and deceptions .
No matter the cost HOLD THE FORT . With that said i now call upon all saints who call upon the name OF JESUS
in spirit and in truth , in sincerity , FORWARD MARCH into the trenches , look not back nor fear man .
Its all war for the souls of men and if we love we correct error and we point ONLY TO JESUS .
 
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Nature shows us that a school of fish swimming together in unity is the best protection against predators.

Most of the answers we seek are not so difficult to find.
 
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Nature shows us that a school of fish swimming together in unity is the best protection against predators.

Most of the answers we seek are not so difficult to find.
And that is exactly why God desires that we be in unity of faith having one mind and one accord believing in the one Lord and Saviour Jesus Christ.
When this happens for today's church we will once again experience the mighty rushing wind, the greatest outpouring of the Holy Spirit, like they experienced in Antioch on The Day of Pentecost, and we will all speak in tongues and understand the language spoken....it is coming... If we keep pressing in and yielding our mind and spirit to the teaching of the Spirit of TRUTH, then shall we be fully submerged under the powerful anointing of the Holy Spirit and manifest the Power of God with signs and wonders as those who were in the upper chambers did.

This is one of the number one signs I have yearned to see come to pass....the unity of the body of Christ.
All preaching and teaching the doctrine of salvation, with Jesus as the Corner Stone who has laid the foundation that we must build upon.

I cringe many times when I hear a man or woman of God who is called to preach use the words "my" ministry.
My calling, my gift, my, my, my.....smh....fools. It is not yours and never has been. You are His vessel called to serve Him for His purpose and Glory and to be available that He may use His vessels to manifest HIS POWER, HIS GLORY, HIS ANOINTING through at the appointed time that He chooses.

There I finally said it. When people say I am preparing a fast for my ministry to grow mightily....well they have already created an end to their ministry.

God is looking for servants that won't seek their own glory but rather stay hidden and let His Glory shine through.

Amen!
 
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This may not be a large social platform like youtube, reddit, twitter or facebook. But they send their agents out to infiltrate sites even in what they call the deep web. Sites that are not particularly high up on the radar. Not rarely these sites are even hosted by their agents too.

Not to say to distrust any person you come across in some place. The web is not a real place though. It is fakery. That is what they created the screens for. Seeing is believing. And now that they have people all hooked up on the screens, they can show them fake images, fake avatars and even fake people to talk to. They will even tell you sites like `you`tube are for you. All big social media sites operate at a loss. They still keep them up and running. Why? Total surveillance and digital enslavement of the masses. They want people to feel like the web is this safe haven of free speech where you can post and upload your content and get in touch with other likeminded people worldwide. So that you open up and share your views, your secrets.

They will collect it, add it to their big data mass database and use the data to cater everything to you. Not just ads, but the people you talk to online. The bubble communities on the web that they funnel the people into to prevent them all from talking to anyone else but their designated bubble people. Preventing any important information exchanges and the resolving of conflicts that would otherwise take place between `enemy` camps.

As long as people are in their separate community spaces, they can use their agents to sow fear and hatred and polarize the people. It would be the best if the internet did not exist and none of us were able to communicate in this way. But now that the government already uses it against us, we can carefully use it with a grain of salt. I would not take any conversations with others over the web too serious. You do not know if these people you talk to are real users, bots or feds. This ambiguity of the web is the key to their psychological operations. Together with their false promises of anonymity and free speech. No such thing on the web.

If you think the person you are talking to is authentic and genuine you can still get into conflicts. It is human.
I always look at how many members are online and what topics are being discussed. Like tonight it show 65 online, 24 members and 41 guests....it never shows the names of the "guests" and I have suspected for a long time that the guests are robots...and like you pointed out they are here spying and gathering information.
 

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We must preach JESUS and all biblical truth having no fear of man or what he can do to us .
Its true NL 009 what you say concerning they do have spies .
But JESUS will be preached and the all inclusive lie exposed on my watch .
Having no fear of man or what he can do to me .
I have no doubts my name is probably already in a data base for potential terroist .
But so is everyone else who does not adhere or agree to the rainbow inclusive move .
They , these elites see biblical christanity as the number one enemy
they see all fundamentalism of religoin as basically being a threat . BUT biblical christanity is their number one target for sure .
And so many have already swallowed the harlots all inclusive drink and many more are tasting of that cup daily .
We have an all out battle for the souls of men . Let no fear silence our exhortations to one another of biblical truth .
Let not fear silence us of warning against sin and error and deceptions .
No matter the cost HOLD THE FORT . With that said i now call upon all saints who call upon the name OF JESUS
in spirit and in truth , in sincerity , FORWARD MARCH into the trenches , look not back nor fear man .
Its all war for the souls of men and if we love we correct error and we point ONLY TO JESUS .
You can have peace of mind. They are not going to put you on a list of terrorists so fast. But they also do not need to. What the state hates the most is if people aim for humanitarian causes and activism. The UN, just as a reminder a US institution, handed over lists of Chinese human rights activists to China. The US collects the data and then sends it over to their vassal countries. Whose national governments in turn punish the activists.

They care little if you idolize the rainbow flag or believe in Christ. Believing in lgbt will make it easier for them to put you into a mental institution while they pretend to be so tolerant and open. The latter they do not care for. What will put you on a closer watch list is if you voice anti government, anti rich or anti royalty sentiments. They may be serving the antichrist but that does not stop these devils from abusing christianity for their purposes.

The lines of biblical christanity start to blur when the devil himself controls those very institutions and perverts them upside down. Christians would have never formed something like a church or a cathedral. These are monuments of power that put the difference between rich and poor on display and demand obedience. They pull on the heart strings of believers who put their trust in them and this is where they lead you. Sodom and Gomora. The same pastors who pretend to be christian will say `go get your shot go get your shot!` because they are government puppets. Faith does not guide them. But it is good to read from genuine people.

I always look at how many members are online and what topics are being discussed. Like tonight it show 65 online, 24 members and 41 guests....it never shows the names of the "guests" and I have suspected for a long time that the guests are robots...and like you pointed out they are here spying and gathering information.
Smart. There are also some people who just like to lurk but websites are all being crawled by google crawlers and other crawlers from analytics sites. These are easy to write, very slim code and very powerful. Anyone can submit a crawler to google but only those of google are powerful enough to collect the information necessary to profile people with it. There are some forums who will show the name of individual users and show the crawler names. Many website owners and users on those sites just accept it and do not make a big deal out of it. And even if they did there is not much they can do. The website owner can disallow crawlers to read the site but that just puts the site on a watchlist.
 

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You can have peace of mind. They are not going to put you on a list of terrorists so fast. But they also do not need to. What the state hates the most is if people aim for humanitarian causes and activism. The UN, just as a reminder a US institution, handed over lists of Chinese human rights activists to China. The US collects the data and then sends it over to their vassal countries. Whose national governments in turn punish the activists.

They care little if you idolize the rainbow flag or believe in Christ. Believing in lgbt will make it easier for them to put you into a mental institution while they pretend to be so tolerant and open. The latter they do not care for. What will put you on a closer watch list is if you voice anti government, anti rich or anti royalty sentiments. They may be serving the antichrist but that does not stop these devils from abusing christianity for their purposes.

The lines of biblical christanity start to blur when the devil himself controls those very institutions and perverts them upside down. Christians would have never formed something like a church or a cathedral. These are monuments of power that put the difference between rich and poor on display and demand obedience. They pull on the heart strings of believers who put their trust in them and this is where they lead you. Sodom and Gomora. The same pastors who pretend to be christian will say `go get your shot go get your shot!` because they are government puppets. Faith does not guide them. But it is good to read from genuine people.


Smart. There are also some people who just like to lurk but websites are all being crawled by google crawlers and other crawlers from analytics sites. These are easy to write, very slim code and very powerful. Anyone can submit a crawler to google but only those of google are powerful enough to collect the information necessary to profile people with it. There are some forums who will show the name of individual users and show the crawler names. Many website owners and users on those sites just accept it and do not make a big deal out of it. And even if they did there is not much they can do. The website owner can disallow crawlers to read the site but that just puts the site on a watchlist.
Would you like to know what i once did many , many years ago .
I was in anti terrorsim unit . Would you like to know how to decieve the enemy .
COME in as a friend , infiltrate them , befriend them . Set up things which encourage their behavoir
Example . Say one was big on conservatism .
HOW do we determine who is a potential danger .
WELL they come in with all these things , like remember when the so called
repulicans were having a list put together to see who would sign a petetion to seceed from the union .
GUESS WHERE their names went . RIGHT TO A DATA BASE .
THEY KNOW HOW TO DECIEVE . I graduated number one
in the anti terrosim class , I would never have known back then
that years later i would be there again , ONLY THIS TIME i am on the other side
THEY GOT US on a list my friend . DONT decieve yourself . THEY DO it
through all sorts of things put on on internet , and etc .
THEY COME IN like its all about a good cause , THEN when folks sign the list , THEIR NAME GOES RIGHT
to a potential terroist data base . AND THEY HAVE NO IDEA IT DID .
THEY hate fundamentalism . THEY see it as a danger to society .
ME IS FUNDIE ALL THE WAY and they KNOW THIS . anyone who watches sites would know what i am .
I DONT FEAR THEM . MY VOICE Will not be silenced , for i love the people and i am gonna point to all biblical TRUTH .
NO matter the cost to me . THIS WORLD sure as heck aint my HOME .
And if i die for the sake of JESUS , GUESS what , I AM IN a FAR BETTER PLACE .
THEY realize that a man like me can never be bought . THEY WILL COME FOR US . BUT I DONT FEAR THEM ONE BIT .
 
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