A serious questions for the Jehovah's Witnesses on these threads.

[Angel Faith]

No i am not. A member of the great crowd i hope in. The little flock( Luke 12:32) makes up the 144,000

What? "" A member of the great crowd i hope in.''''

 

[Keiw]

OK.
God Bless.

I didnt see that post for some reason. No JW,s are not protestants. They are lead by Jesus.

 

[L.A.M.B.]

@Aunty Jane

I would like to commend you lady on your stalwart information on what you post.
Now as you know we differ in our biblical belief system but it is God who will judge our hearts in time.

These post here are concise, informative and state plainly your stance. Thank you.

I do not do holidays either by my choice against the greed of others and the falsivity of the season. I honour and worship God daily in my living in the liberty he gives and the freedom of his word.

Either way, I do not consider it an offense to God or myself if ppl do celebrate. He knew & knows all that is of the world and also all that could & can influence his ppl.

WE ARE THE ONES THAT MUST LOOK TO THE AUTHOR & FINISHER OF OUR FAITH. We must live by the convictions the Spirit reveals unto us, his will, his word and his commandments to bring God glory and honor! He will be our FINAL judge.

 

[Ronald Nolette]

It has nothing to do with worshipping it. Pagan false god worship practices come off the table of demons. That is the bottom line.

So expalining to me how putting up a Christmas tree is eating off teh tables of demons. That should not be hard if you are so convinced it is.

 

[Ronald Nolette]

You saying, "I am simply saying celebrate to honor Jehovah or Jesus- they are fine," is going by what a imperfect human or what imperfect humans say is fine. What is the day and way the inspired scriptures tells us to remember Jesus? Isn't that day and way more important than what imperfect humans say? I just think people care too much about what imperfect humans say instead of what YHWH God inspired word is telling us.

Whatever men wish to do to honor Jesus is perfectly fine- according to Paul himself under the inspiration of God! (and of course we are not talking overt sin for that never honors)

Romans 14

King James Version

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14 Him that is weak in the faith receive ye, but not to doubtful disputations.
2 For one believeth that he may eat all things: another, who is weak, eateth herbs.
3 Let not him that eateth despise him that eateth not; and let not him which eateth not judge him that eateth: for God hath received him.
4 Who art thou that judgest another man's servant? to his own master he standeth or falleth. Yea, he shall be holden up: for God is able to make him stand.
5 One man esteemeth one day above another: another esteemeth every day alike. Let every man be fully persuaded in his own mind.
6 He that regardeth the day, regardeth it unto the Lord; and he that regardeth not the day, to the Lord he doth not regard it. He that eateth, eateth to the Lord, for he giveth God thanks; and he that eateth not, to the Lord he eateth not, and giveth God thanks.

By having these laws forbidding Christmas, thanksgiving, Valentines Day, Birthdays etc. You are rejecting what God gave Paul to write here!

That is just like that false lie about blood trnasfusions are sin!

Matthew 15:10-12

King James Version

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10 And he called the multitude, and said unto them, Hear, and understand:
11 Not that which goeth into the mouth defileth a man; but that which cometh out of the mouth, this defileth a man.
12 Then came his disciples, and said unto him, Knowest thou that the Pharisees were offended, after they heard this saying?
16 And Jesus said, Are ye also yet without understanding?

17 Do not ye yet understand, that whatsoever entereth in at the mouth goeth into the belly, and is cast out into the draught?

18 But those things which proceed out of the mouth come forth from the heart; and they defile the man.

19 For out of the heart proceed evil thoughts, murders, adulteries, fornications, thefts, false witness, blasphemies:

20 These are the things which defile a man: but to eat with unwashen hands defileth not a man.

Mark 7:14-23

King James Version

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14 And when he had called all the people unto him, he said unto them, Hearken unto me every one of you, and understand:
15 There is nothing from without a man, that entering into him can defile him: but the things which come out of him, those are they that defile the man.
16 If any man have ears to hear, let him hear.
17 And when he was entered into the house from the people, his disciples asked him concerning the parable.
18 And he saith unto them, Are ye so without understanding also? Do ye not perceive, that whatsoever thing from without entereth into the man, it cannot defile him;
19 Because it entereth not into his heart, but into the belly, and goeth out into the draught, purging all meats?
20 And he said, That which cometh out of the man, that defileth the man.
21 For from within, out of the heart of men, proceed evil thoughts, adulteries, fornications, murders,
22 Thefts, covetousness, wickedness, deceit, lasciviousness, an evil eye, blasphemy, pride, foolishness:
23 All these evil things come from within, and defile the man.

 

[Keiw]

So expalining to me how putting up a Christmas tree is eating off teh tables of demons. That should not be hard if you are so convinced it is.

The saturnalia festival, observed on or about Dec 25th, worship to the sun God, feasting and the exchanging of gifts marked the celebration. Turned into Christmas. Santa= satan, he steals 98% of Christmas away from Jesus. Santa part starts tomorrow=Friday the day after thanksgiving. 31days of santa, and the first thing dec 25 am= santa--so How much does Jesus get? santa is satan. This world is blind. Jesus would not accept anything less than 100% from his followers.

 

[Aunty Jane]

If I may @Angel Faith.....can I ask you about your avatar?



Since you purport to know so much about my religion, may I seriously ask about yours?
Is this what you believe angels are?

Firstly and biblically speaking, angels have no gender because gender is only for reproduction....all angels are created.

Secondly, angels always appeared on earth as males because appearing as a female would have discredited anything they said in a male dominated society where gender roles were very clearly stated in scripture.

Thirdly, the halo is a symbol of pagan sun worship....I have to wonder what we might discuss about your own belief system....
I was looking up Tozer, because I had never heard of him......it seems he had early beginnings quite similar to Charles Taze Russel except that Russell was financially independent and was a gifted public debater. The Watchtower magazine that he started is still in print today....still exposing false doctrines and teaching the truth of God's word.

You see how people choose their beliefs? Its not so much what you believe but who you believe.....and why....

The "great awakening" (as it was called) was taking place at the beginning of the 20th century and many were forming their own Protestant churches in an effort to bring Bible truth to the people....splitting off from one another to create the churches of men, based on their own interpretation of scripture.
The biggest mistake they made however was not wiping the slate clean and starting over from scratch. Christendom was formed on the foundation of Roman Catholicism. She shed the more obvious unscriptural beliefs, but took much of what the Roman church taught with her......the trinity....immortality of the soul....and hellfire.....none of which is taught in scripture.

The reason why Charles Russell gained so much support from people, and why he was so vehemently hated by the clergy, was that he knew his Bible from front to back....he was able to wipe the floor with many of the clergy who took him on in debates because they had studied only theology, but not the whole Bible. He could refute everything they accepted as truth because it was not based on the entirety of scripture.
He showed them why their doctrines were man made and grafted into scripture rather than being true Bible teachings. Like the Pharisees, they hated him for exposing them.

When his group (who were from different denominations, not a breakaway) met for Bible study, they did what was required.....they threw out all of Christendom's beliefs and started again from the beginning....examining every word of scripture, and every belief promoted by Christendom..... and found them all to be 100% false. This is what Jesus did with the teachings of the Pharisees. (Matt 15:7-9)

We stand by everything we believe because we too study the Bible as a whole, not just cherry picked ambiguous verses that can be manipulated to say what men want to believe. The "weeds" of Jesus parable have spread out in the world and almost choked the "wheat" out of existence....but they are still there, small in numbers but cleansed and refined, and granted insight and understanding in this "time of the end" just as Daniel foretold. (Daniel 12:4, 9-10)

Did the Jews teach us nothing about the corruption of God's worship? History is repeating but no one in Christendom seems to notice....

 

[Keiw]

If I may @Angel Faith.....can I ask you about your avatar?

View attachment 27373

Since you purport to know so much about my religion, may I seriously ask about yours?
Is this what you believe angels are?

Firstly and biblically speaking, angels have no gender because gender is only for reproduction....all angels are created.

Secondly, angels always appeared on earth as males because appearing as a female would have discredited anything they said in a male dominated society where gender roles were very clearly stated in scripture.

Thirdly, the halo is a symbol of pagan sun worship....I have to wonder what we might discuss about your own belief system....
I was looking up Tozer, because I had never heard of him......it seems he had early beginnings quite similar to Charles Taze Russel except that Russell was financially independent and was a gifted public debater. The Watchtower magazine that he started is still in print today....still exposing false doctrines and teaching the truth of God's word.

You see how people choose their beliefs? Its not so much what you believe but who you believe.....and why....

The "great awakening" (as it was called) was taking place at the beginning of the 20th century and many were forming their own Protestant churches in an effort to bring Bible truth to the people....splitting off from one another to create the churches of men, based on their own interpretation of scripture.
The biggest mistake they made however was not wiping the slate clean and starting over from scratch. Christendom was formed on the foundation of Roman Catholicism. She shed the more obvious unscriptural beliefs, but took much of what the Roman church taught with her......the trinity....immortality of the soul....and hellfire.....none of which is taught in scripture.

The reason why Charles Russell gained so much support from people, and why he was so vehemently hated by the clergy, was that he knew his Bible from front to back....he was able to wipe the floor with many of the clergy who took him on in debates because they had studied only theology, but not the whole Bible. He could refute everything they accepted as truth because it was not based on the entirety of scripture.
He showed them why their doctrines were man made and grafted into scripture rather than being true Bible teachings. Like the Pharisees, they hated him for exposing them.

When his group (who were from different denominations, not a breakaway) met for Bible study, they did what was required.....they threw out all of Christendom's beliefs and started again from the beginning....examining every word of scripture, and every belief promoted by Christendom..... and found them all to be 100% false. This is what Jesus did with the teachings of the Pharisees. (Matt 15:7-9)

We stand by everything we believe because we too study the Bible as a whole, not just cherry picked ambiguous verses that can be manipulated to say what men want to believe. The "weeds" of Jesus parable have spread out in the world and almost choked the "wheat" out of existence....but they are still there, small in numbers but cleansed and refined, and granted insight and understanding in this "time of the end" just as Daniel foretold. (Daniel 12:4, 9-10)

Did the Jews teach us nothing about the corruption of God's worship? History is repeating but no one in Christendom seems to notice....

They dont take notice because a blind guide assured them they are saved, yet he doesnt know in reality but they believe him and do not bother obeying Jesus who taught--Man does not live by bread alone but by EVERY utterance from God=OT-NT years of study over and over and then again over and over because imperfect mortals forget and there is a lot to be absorbed. One fact is certain---The teachers who have Jesus make 100% sure that gets accomplished without fail.

 

[Ronald Nolette]

The saturnalia festival, observed on or about Dec 25th, worship to the sun God, feasting and the exchanging of gifts marked the celebration. Turned into Christmas. Santa= satan, he steals 98% of Christmas away from Jesus. Santa part starts tomorrow=Friday the day after thanksgiving. 31days of santa, and the first thing dec 25 am= santa--so How much does Jesus get? santa is satan. This world is blind. Jesus would not accept anything less than 100% from his followers.

So rejoice in Jesus and not Santa! Now you are adding other things to the mix and changing the discussion. I didn't bring up Santa- you did. I said celebrating Jesus being born as Emmanuel! YOu want to talk about Santa? Start a new thread. You will find I agree with you. I did not teach my kids to believe in Santa. We had a birthday cake for Jesus every year.

Also commercialism is another red herring you are adding. Stick to teh subject or start a different discussion about teh dangers of crass materialism.

 

[BARNEY BRIGHT]

Whatever men wish to do to honor Jesus is perfectly fine- according to Paul himself under the inspiration of God! (and of course we are not talking overt sin for that never honors)

Romans 14​

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King James Version​

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14 Him that is weak in the faith receive ye, but not to doubtful disputations.
2 For one believeth that he may eat all things: another, who is weak, eateth herbs.
3 Let not him that eateth despise him that eateth not; and let not him which eateth not judge him that eateth: for God hath received him.
4 Who art thou that judgest another man's servant? to his own master he standeth or falleth. Yea, he shall be holden up: for God is able to make him stand.
5 One man esteemeth one day above another: another esteemeth every day alike. Let every man be fully persuaded in his own mind.
6 He that regardeth the day, regardeth it unto the Lord; and he that regardeth not the day, to the Lord he doth not regard it. He that eateth, eateth to the Lord, for he giveth God thanks; and he that eateth not, to the Lord he eateth not, and giveth God thanks.

By having these laws forbidding Christmas, thanksgiving, Valentines Day, Birthdays etc. You are rejecting what God gave Paul to write here!

That is just like that false lie about blood trnasfusions are sin!

Matthew 15:10-12​

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King James Version​

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10 And he called the multitude, and said unto them, Hear, and understand:
11 Not that which goeth into the mouth defileth a man; but that which cometh out of the mouth, this defileth a man.
12 Then came his disciples, and said unto him, Knowest thou that the Pharisees were offended, after they heard this saying?
16 And Jesus said, Are ye also yet without understanding?

17 Do not ye yet understand, that whatsoever entereth in at the mouth goeth into the belly, and is cast out into the draught?

18 But those things which proceed out of the mouth come forth from the heart; and they defile the man.

19 For out of the heart proceed evil thoughts, murders, adulteries, fornications, thefts, false witness, blasphemies:

20 These are the things which defile a man: but to eat with unwashen hands defileth not a man.

Mark 7:14-23​

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King James Version​

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14 And when he had called all the people unto him, he said unto them, Hearken unto me every one of you, and understand:
15 There is nothing from without a man, that entering into him can defile him: but the things which come out of him, those are they that defile the man.
16 If any man have ears to hear, let him hear.
17 And when he was entered into the house from the people, his disciples asked him concerning the parable.
18 And he saith unto them, Are ye so without understanding also? Do ye not perceive, that whatsoever thing from without entereth into the man, it cannot defile him;
19 Because it entereth not into his heart, but into the belly, and goeth out into the draught, purging all meats?
20 And he said, That which cometh out of the man, that defileth the man.
21 For from within, out of the heart of men, proceed evil thoughts, adulteries, fornications, murders,
22 Thefts, covetousness, wickedness, deceit, lasciviousness, an evil eye, blasphemy, pride, foolishness:
23 All these evil things come from within, and defile the man.

I think a christian should take into consideration God's divine principles that are in the scriptures, I think those divine principles should be more important than what men are saying. So when it comes to holidays that are rooted in the belief in or worship of other gods, Jesus stated: “It is YHWH your God you must worship, and it is to him alone you must render sacred service.” (Matthew 4:10) So following that warning, I do not celebrate Christmas, Easter or May Day, since these holidays are rooted in the worship of gods other than or instead of YHWH God. A few other holidays, we don't participate in, are the following:

(1)Mid-Autumn Festival. This is a “festival to honor the moon goddess.” (Holidays, Festivals, and Celebrations of the World Dictionary) It includes a ritual that “involves the women of the house bowing, what in Chinese is a kowtow, before the goddess.”—Religions of the World—A Comprehensive Encyclopedia of Beliefs and Practices.

(2) Thanksgiving. This holiday is rooted in ancient harvest celebrations that honored various gods. Over time, “these ancient folk traditions were taken over by the Christian church.”—A Great and Godly Adventure—The Pilgrims and the Myth of the First Thanksgiving.

(3) Jehovah's Witnesses don't celebrate holidays that teach the Immortality of the soul such as, "All Souls’ Day (Day of the Dead). This is a day for “commemorating all the faithful departed,” according to the New Catholic Encyclopedia. “Throughout the Middle Ages it was popular belief that the souls in purgatory could appear on this day as will-o’-the-wisps, witches, toads, etc., to persons who had wronged them during their life.”

(4)Jehovah's Witnesses don't celebrate holidays that are linked to the occult. The Bible states: “Anyone who employs divination, anyone practicing magic, anyone who looks for omens, a sorcerer, anyone binding others with a spell, anyone who consults a spirit medium or a fortune-teller, or anyone who inquires of the dead, is detestable to Jehovah.” (Deuteronomy 18:10-12) So to stay clear of any occultism, including astrology which is a form of divination, Jehovah’s Witnesses do not celebrate Halloween.

Divine principles such as at 2 Corinthians 6:15-17 which say,
"What does a believer share in common with an unbeliever? And what agreement does God’s temple have with idols? Should always be considered so, while Jehovah’s Witnesses endeavor to live peaceably with their neighbors and respect the right of each person to choose what to believe, they avoid celebrations that promote interfaith, which means
Jehovah's Witnesses avoid celebrations of a religious figure or events that encourage united worship among people with different religious beliefs. When God led his ancient people to a new land where the inhabitants practiced other religions, he told them: “You must not make a covenant with them or their gods. . . . If you should serve their gods, it would surely become a snare to you. (Exodus 23:32, 33)
So although Jehovah's Witnesses express appreciation for fellow humans and even pray for them, Jehovah’s Witnesses do not participate in the kinds of events or celebrations such, as a Holiday that honor's a ruler or other notable figure, celebrating a nations flag, celebrations that exalt a saint.There are way too many people in the Catholic religion that ask a saint or thank a saint for something.

 

[Ronald Nolette]

I think a christian should take into consideration God's divine principles that are in the scriptures, I think those divine principles should be more important than what men are saying. So when it comes to holidays that are rooted in the belief in or worship of other gods, Jesus stated: “It is YHWH your God you must worship, and it is to him alone you must render sacred service.” (Matthew 4:10) So following that warning, I do not celebrate Christmas, Easter or May Day, since these holidays are rooted in the worship of gods other instead of YHWH God. A few other holidays, we don't participate in, are the following:

(1)Mid-Autumn Festival. This is a “festival to honor the moon goddess.” (Holidays, Festivals, and Celebrations of the World Dictionary) It includes a ritual that “involves the women of the house bowing, what in Chinese is a kowtow, before the goddess.”—Religions of the World—A Comprehensive Encyclopedia of Beliefs and Practices.

(2) Thanksgiving. This holiday is rooted in ancient harvest celebrations that honored various gods. Over time, “these ancient folk traditions were taken over by the Christian church.”—A Great and Godly Adventure—The Pilgrims and the Myth of the First Thanksgiving.

(3) Jehovah's Witnesses don't celebrate holidays that teach the Immortality of the soul such as, "All Souls’ Day (Day of the Dead). This is a day for “commemorating all the faithful departed,” according to the New Catholic Encyclopedia. “Throughout the Middle Ages it was popular belief that the souls in purgatory could appear on this day as will-o’-the-wisps, witches, toads, etc., to persons who had wronged them during their life.”
(4)Jehovah's Witnesses don't celebrate holidays that are linked to the occult. The Bible states: “Anyone who employs divination, anyone practicing magic, anyone who looks for omens, a sorcerer, anyone binding others with a spell, anyone who consults a spirit medium or a fortune-teller, or anyone who inquires of the dead . . . is detestable to Jehovah.” (Deuteronomy 18:10-12) So to stay clear of any occultism, including astrology which is a form of divination, Jehovah’s Witnesses do not celebrate Halloween.

Divine principles such as at 2 Corinthians 6:15-17 which say,
"What does a believer share in common with an unbeliever? And what agreement does God’s temple have with idols? Should always be considered so, while Jehovah’s Witnesses endeavor to live peaceably with their neighbors and respect the right of each person to choose what to believe, they avoid celebrations that promote interfaith.

Jehovah's Witnesses avoid celebrations of a religious figure or events that encourage united worship among people with different religious beliefs. When God led his ancient people to a new land where the inhabitants practiced other religions, he told them: “You must not make a covenant with them or their gods. . . . If you should serve their gods, it would surely become a snare to you. (Exodus 23:32, 33)


Although Jehovah's Witnesses express appreciation for fellow humans and even pray for them, Jehovah’s Witnesses do not participate in the kinds of events or celebrations that, "A Holiday that honor's a ruler or other notable figure, celebrating a nations flag, celebrations that exalt a saint.
There are way too many people in the Catholic religion that ask a saint or thank a saint for something.

Do Christians worship Saturn, Bacchus or the ancinet gods when they honor Jesus at Christmas? Or when they celebrate thanksgiving? Show me where I do and you have a point. Otherwise you are looking on the superficial while God looks on the heart.

You make a day evil or a tree evil or a turkey dinner on a certain day evil. That is juvenile!

Romans 14​

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14 Him that is weak in the faith receive ye, but not to doubtful disputations.
2 For one believeth that he may eat all things: another, who is weak, eateth herbs.
3 Let not him that eateth despise him that eateth not; and let not him which eateth not judge him that eateth: for God hath received him.
4 Who art thou that judgest another man's servant? to his own master he standeth or falleth. Yea, he shall be holden up: for God is able to make him stand.
5 One man esteemeth one day above another: another esteemeth every day alike. Let every man be fully persuaded in his own mind.
6 He that regardeth the day, regardeth it unto the Lord; and he that regardeth not the day, to the Lord he doth not regard it. He that eateth, eateth to the Lord, for he giveth God thanks; and he that eateth not, to the Lord he eateth not, and giveth God thanks.

But you and your fellow witnesses on these threads have repeatedly shown you have no respect for this divine principle God instituted.

I will stick with the God of the Bible who judges the heart and not the externals.

I am glad the man made god of the Watchtower is not the god of the bible.

 

[RLT63]

Mu

You know that we are happy to answer any legitimate questions...but we also know that some people jump to erroneous conclusions and then make accusations based on false information.....are you one of those?

First of all we need to clarify....we are NOT the Watchtower......we are Jehovah's Witnesses, and we identify as Christ's disciples. If others do not believe as we do, then that is between them and the god they worship. We will state our beliefs and what scripture backs them up and leave to the readers to decide if it rings true for them. God will do the rest.

It never seems to occur to those in Christendom that they do not have a single occasion that is celebrated religiously, that does not have pagan roots. Why borrow pagan celebrations and customs as if these somehow don't offend the true God?

According to 2 Corinthians 6:14-18, we are not to combine the truth with false religious customs or beliefs. We can show you where all your celebrations come from. "What portion does a believer share with an unbeliever?"


These are not legitimate occasions for Christ's disciples. The reason is stated here. No sharing with spiritually "unclean" false religious practices.

Paul wrote....
"Do not be unequally yoked with unbelievers. For what partnership has righteousness with lawlessness? Or what fellowship has light with darkness? 15 What accord has Christ with Belial? (the devil) Or what portion does a believer share with an unbeliever? 16 What agreement has the temple of God with idols? For we are the temple of the living God; as God said,

“I will make my dwelling among them and walk among them,
and I will be their God,
and they shall be my people.
17 Therefore go out from their midst,
and be separate from them, says the Lord,
and touch no unclean thing;
then I will welcome you,
18 and I will be a father to you,
and you shall be sons and daughters to me,
says the Lord Almighty.”

We have to "go out from those" who try to combine truth with pagan celebrations...otherwise God will not take us in as his "sons and daughters"....

You can do whatever you wish, because we are not your judge......you don't have to answer to us at all....but you do have to answer to Jesus Christ...the judge of us all....and you will never be able to claim ignorance of these facts.



The Jews and early Christians were Jewish and followed their own calendar.
Do you know who retained the names of the pagan gods? It was Pope Gregory (that's why its called the Gregorian calendar) The Julian calendar was introduced by Julius Caesar in 46 B.C.E., to give the Roman people a solar-year time arrangement in place of the lunar year. The Julian calendar consists of 365 days in a year, with the exception that on each fourth year (leap year), one day is added, to make it 366 days. However, in the course of time, it was found that the Julian calendar was inaccurate, so in 1582, Pope Gregory XIII introduced a slight revision, instituting what is now known as the Gregorian calendar.

Gregory had a really good opportunity as Pope to change the names of those months and days of the week.....yet he didn't...perhaps we need to ask the Catholic church why he didn't.

We have to live in the world.....so what they call their days and months has nothing to do with us. What makes you think that is something we have jurisdiction over?

The world will do what the world will do.....we are not concerned with what the world does...we are told to be "no part" of it.....they can call their days and months whatever they want. God will change it all in his due time.

If you don't know the pagan roots of what you celebrate as "Christian" events, then perhaps you need to read 2 Corinthians 6:14-18 again, and understand that God was there when the pagans were serving their false gods with all the same customs as people take part in today.

Jesus is not honored at all in what has become a "greedfest" of disgusting commercialism. Who is the main focus at Christmastime....not Jesus.
You see those nativity scenes in the mall with the wise men and the baby Jesus in the manger? The magi were never there. By the time they got to find him by following the star to Herod in Jerusalem, he was no longer a newborn. The star led them to a man who was a jealous tyrant and who had innocent babies put to death to save his family dynasty from any new "King of the Jews".
Only once Herod had hatched his murderous plot did the star lead them to the "young child" who by then was living in a house with his parents. God warned them not to return to Herod. They were dupes, used by satan to destroy the child before he even had a chance to grow up.

Ever wondered why Santa is an anagram of satan?

Do you wonder where the word "Easter" came from....it's not in the Bible because Easter was the name of a pagan fertility goddess whose emblems were rabbits and eggs.....where is the honor for Christ in that?

Sounds like you need to do some homework.....it’s all online so no one has an excuse for ignorance.

Much of what you believe about holidays is from Alexander Hislop’s discredited book The Two Babylons. You might want to do some research yourself before accusing others of ignorance. The Two Babylons - Wikipedia

 

[BARNEY BRIGHT]

Do Christians worship Saturn, Bacchus or the ancinet gods when they honor Jesus at Christmas? Or when they celebrate thanksgiving? Show me where I do and you have a point. Otherwise you are looking on the superficial while God looks on the heart.

You make a day evil or a tree evil or a turkey dinner on a certain day evil. That is juvenile!

Romans 14​

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King James Version​

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14 Him that is weak in the faith receive ye, but not to doubtful disputations.
2 For one believeth that he may eat all things: another, who is weak, eateth herbs.
3 Let not him that eateth despise him that eateth not; and let not him which eateth not judge him that eateth: for God hath received him.
4 Who art thou that judgest another man's servant? to his own master he standeth or falleth. Yea, he shall be holden up: for God is able to make him stand.
5 One man esteemeth one day above another: another esteemeth every day alike. Let every man be fully persuaded in his own mind.
6 He that regardeth the day, regardeth it unto the Lord; and he that regardeth not the day, to the Lord he doth not regard it. He that eateth, eateth to the Lord, for he giveth God thanks; and he that eateth not, to the Lord he eateth not, and giveth God thanks.

I will stickj with the God of the Bible who judges the heart and not the externals.

I am glad the man made god of the Watchtower is not the god of the bible.

The thing I keep asking myself is why would someone take a day or way of celebrating that is deeply rooted in false gods and incorporate it into God or his truth, when the scriptures show us that the True God has always been against taking what is related to false gods and combine it to God or his truth. The True God is about truth, not part truth and part false, but truth.
God doesn't view the difference between truth and error as petty or insignificant. So making a merger of truth and error to seem justifiable by taking days and celebrations that are rooted in false gods to be insignificant, God has always been against taking what is false and combining it with his truth, because God's truth and what comes from Satan have nothing in common, Satan is about lies which includes deceit. God's truth is recorded in his Word the Bible, and despite any crises or perils the future of that truth is assured: “The word spoken by YHWH God endures forever.” (Deuteronomy 32:4; John 17:17; 1 Peter 1: 25) So the true religion will not merge with false religion.
The God of the Bible has always been against taking what belongs to Satan and combining it with his truth. You can think the True God YHWH has changed but he has not. Just as he judged it wrong in the past when men combined his truth with what belonged to false gods, he still judges it wrong. The True God doesn't change.

 

[BARNEY BRIGHT]

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Much of what you believe about holidays is from Alexander Hislop’s discredited book The Two Babylons. You might want to do some research yourself before accusing others of ignorance. The Two Babylons - Wikipedia

This fact remains true, too many people have spoken out against Jehovah's witnesses and others for not observing holiays and celebrations that have nothing to do with God's word of truth. So many among christendom are judging Jehovah's witnesses and others for not believing or agreeing with what mere imperfect men say. I have never known until I became a Jehovah's witness that so many who call themselves Christians in christendom would judge anyone wrong for not observing these holidays. I've always been true, that these days were not in the scriptures so why would anyone judge anybody for not observing a day or celebration, that God doesn't command men to do so.
The fact that so many among christendom do judge Jehovah's witnesses and others for not observing a holiday or celebration that isn't in scripture but instead is from imperfect men, makes me believe that these people who are judging anyone for not observing these holidays or celebrations are being taught this from christendom, after all it's Christendom that these religious people are from so that makes me believe they must be getting this information from the religious leaders of Christendom, and this has been going on for a while now concerning these holidays and celebrations that those in Christendom say christians should observe, and because they are judging people for not observing these days and celebrations, it looks to me that what mere imperfect humans say has been elevated to be equal to God's inspired word as though it comes from God himself, even though I haven't found where God inspired it to be written down anywhere in his Book of truth. That's what I find so very significant about these holidays and celebrations that mere imperfect men say a christian should observe, that they have elevated what they say to the inspired word of God. If this isn't true then why have so many from christendom been judging anyone for not observing these holidays, because as I said, this had been going on for a while now. The fact that those in Christendom have been judging anyone for not observing these holidays shows that they are from Satan because he's always trying to add and subtract, and twist God's word so that many would listen to him. It's obvious that no one should observe these days because it's obvious that Christendom follows Satan and has added these days and celebrations as part of the christian walk and judges any as wrong for not agreeing with them and observing them as they do. I didn't know Christendom judged anyone wrong for not observing these holidays and celebrations, but I guess I should have known since these holidays and celebrations are rooted in false gods. Satan makes what he says to look beautiful, even though it's filled with lies and divination and sorcery.

 

[RLT63]

This fact remains true, too many people have spoken out against Jehovah's witnesses and others for not observing holiays and celebrations that have nothing to do with God's word of truth. So many among christendom are judging Jehovah's witnesses and others for not believing or agreeing with what mere imperfect men say. I have never known until I became a Jehovah's witness that so many who call themselves Christians in christendom would judge anyone wrong for not observing these holidays. I've always been true, that these days were not in the scriptures so why would anyone judge anybody for not observing a day or celebration, that God doesn't command men to do so.
The fact that so many among christendom do judge Jehovah's witnesses and others for not observing a holiday or celebration that isn't in scripture but instead is from imperfect men, makes me believe that these people who are judging anyone for not observing these holidays or celebrations are being taught this from christendom, after all it's Christendom that these religious people are from so that makes me believe they must be getting this information from the religious leaders of Christendom, and this has been going on for a while now concerning these holidays and celebrations that those in Christendom say christians should observe, and because they are judging people for not observing these days and celebrations, it looks to me that what mere imperfect humans say has been elevated to be equal to God's inspired word as though it comes from God himself, even though I haven't found where God inspired it to be written down anywhere in his Book of truth. That's what I find so very significant about these holidays and celebrations that mere imperfect men say a christian should observe, that they have elevated what they say to the inspired word of God. If this isn't true then why have so many from christendom been judging anyone for not observing these holidays, because as I said, this had been going on for a while now. The fact that those in Christendom have been judging anyone for not observing these holidays shows that they are from Satan because he's always trying to add and subtract, and twist God's word so that many would listen to him. It's obvious that no one should observe these days because it's obvious that Christendom follows Satan and has added these days and celebrations as part of the christian walk and judges any as wrong for not agreeing with them and observing them as they do. I didn't know Christendom judged anyone wrong for not observing these holidays and celebrations, but I guess I should have known since these holidays and celebrations are rooted in false gods. Satan makes what he says to look beautiful, even though it's filled with lies and divination and sorcery.

I don’t judge anyone for not observing holidays that is their choice. The issue is that people who do celebrate holidays are being judged.

 

[BARNEY BRIGHT]

I don’t judge anyone for not observing holidays that is their choice. The issue is that people who do celebrate holidays are being judged.

As I said, Christendom has been judging people for awhile now for not observing these holidays and celebrations and that shows Christendom thinks people should go by what they say not by what God's word says. This shows that Christendom has put these holidays and celebrations in equal status with God's inspired word when they judged anyone wrong in any kind of way or sense for not observing these holidays and celebrations, they're not in God's word. I don't think Christendom will stop judging people wrong for not observing these holidays and celebrations so maybe they think what imperfect men say is equal to God's statutes and commands. But you just don't command imperfect men to obey commands from imperfect men. That's why it's so important to stick with what God has inspired men to write down and in his inspired word the True God tells us not to go beyond what he has inspired men to write down. We are to go by what God says not what imperfect men say.
Also these holidays are rooted in false religion, therefore, they're rooted in demons. You don't take what's rooted in demons and apply it in anyway to the truth of God's word or how you worship or serve the True God YHWH or how you should remember Jesus. These holidays have nothing to do with how people are to remember Jesus. God has given us the day and way to remember Jesus and that is sufficient. God's word doesn't need to be added to on how we should remember Jesus when the the True God has given us what we need in his word and his word shouldn't be added to as though what God has given us in his word concerning how to remember Jesus isn't enough. The fact that Christendom cares about these man made holidays and celebrations as much as they do even though they're not in God's word shows they care more about their man made holidays and celebrations than they do the inspired word of God.

 

[RLT63]

As I said, Christendom has been judging people for awhile now for not observing these holidays and celebrations and that shows Christendom thinks people should go by what they say not by what God's word says. This shows that Christendom has put these holidays and celebrations in equal status with God's inspired word when they judged anyone wrong in any kind of way or sense for not observing these holidays and celebrations, they're not in God's word. I don't think Christendom will stop judging people wrong for not observing these holidays and celebrations so maybe they think what imperfect men say is equal to God's statutes and commands. But you just don't command imperfect men to obey commands from imperfect men. That's why it's so important to stick with what God has inspired men to write down and in his inspired word the True God tells us not to go beyond what he has inspired men to write down. We are to go by what God says not what imperfect men say.
Also these holidays are rooted in false religion, therefore, they're rooted in demons. You don't take what's rooted in demons and apply it in anyway to the truth of God's word or how you worship or serve the True God YHWH or how you should remember Jesus. These holidays have nothing to do with how people are to remember Jesus. God has given us the day and way to remember Jesus and that is sufficient. God's word doesn't need to be added to on how we should remember Jesus when the the True God has given us what we need in his word and his word shouldn't be added to as though what God has given us in his word concerning how to remember Jesus isn't enough. The fact that Christendom cares about these man made holidays and celebrations as much as they do even though they're not in God's word shows they care more about their man made holidays and celebrations than they do the inspired word of God.

You make too much out of what most people consider trivial. I never thought giving someone a Christmas present was some kind of religious tradition. Many Churches celebrate resurrection day instead of Easter. With Halloween you may have a point. But I never considered holidays part of my religion

 

[Keiw]

So rejoice in Jesus and not Santa! Now you are adding other things to the mix and changing the discussion. I didn't bring up Santa- you did. I said celebrating Jesus being born as Emmanuel! YOu want to talk about Santa? Start a new thread. You will find I agree with you. I did not teach my kids to believe in Santa. We had a birthday cake for Jesus every year.

Also commercialism is another red herring you are adding. Stick to teh subject or start a different discussion about teh dangers of crass materialism.

I was discussing the worlds celebration to Jesus. All who celebrate Christmas include santa.

 

[Ronald Nolette]

The thing I keep asking myself is why would someone take a day or way of celebrating that is deeply rooted in false gods and incorporate it into God or his truth, when the scriptures show us that the True God has always been against taking what is related to false gods and combine it to God or his truth. The True God is about truth, not part truth and part false, but truth.
God doesn't view the difference between truth and error as petty or insignificant. So making a merger of truth and error to seem justifiable by taking days and celebrations that are rooted in false gods to be insignificant, God has always been against taking what is false and combining it with his truth, because God's truth and what comes from Satan have nothing in common, Satan is about lies which includes deceit. God's truth is recorded in his Word the Bible, and despite any crises or perils the future of that truth is assured: “The word spoken by YHWH God endures forever.” (Deuteronomy 32:4; John 17:17; 1 Peter 1: 25) So the true religion will not merge with false religion.
The God of the Bible has always been against taking what belongs to Satan and combining it with his truth. You can think the True God YHWH has changed but he has not. Just as he judged it wrong in the past when men combined his truth with what belonged to false gods, he still judges it wrong. The True God doesn't change.

Well you can think all you want- but it does not change the Word of God! You automatically say people are worshipping evil if they put a Christmas tree in their house! that is phariseism.

Why do you call the days of the week who were named for false Gods? Why would a JW who is so puckered up about the externals revert back to the Jewish way and call them the first day, the second day etc. instead of honoring a false God on THORSDAY (Thursday) . that is rank hypocrisy for your inconsistency to follow your own rules, just like the pharisees.

Once again Romans 14:

Romans 14

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14 Him that is weak in the faith receive ye, but not to doubtful disputations.
2 For one believeth that he may eat all things: another, who is weak, eateth herbs.
3 Let not him that eateth despise him that eateth not; and let not him which eateth not judge him that eateth: for God hath received him.
4 Who art thou that judgest another man's servant? to his own master he standeth or falleth. Yea, he shall be holden up: for God is able to make him stand.
5 One man esteemeth one day above another: another esteemeth every day alike. Let every man be fully persuaded in his own mind.
6 He that regardeth the day, regardeth it unto the Lord; and he that regardeth not the day, to the Lord he doth not regard it. He that eateth, eateth to the Lord, for he giveth God thanks; and he that eateth not, to the Lord he eateth not, and giveth God thanks.

God judges the heart motive while you have adopted the Watchtower habit of judging by externals only. So sad.

1 Corinthians 10:25
Whatsoever is sold in the shambles, that eat, asking no question for conscience sake:

1 Corinthians 8

King James Version

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8 Now as touching things offered unto idols, we know that we all have knowledge. Knowledge puffeth up, but charity edifieth.
2 And if any man think that he knoweth any thing, he knoweth nothing yet as he ought to know.
3 But if any man love God, the same is known of him.
4 As concerning therefore the eating of those things that are offered in sacrifice unto idols, we know that an idol is nothing in the world, and that there is none other God but one.
5 For though there be that are called gods, whether in heaven or in earth, (as there be gods many, and lords many,)
6 But to us there is but one God, the Father, of whom are all things, and we in him; and one Lord Jesus Christ, by whom are all things, and we by him.
7 Howbeit there is not in every man that knowledge: for some with conscience of the idol unto this hour eat it as a thing offered unto an idol; and their conscience being weak is defiled.
8 But meat commendeth us not to God: for neither, if we eat, are we the better; neither, if we eat not, are we the worse.
9 But take heed lest by any means this liberty of yours become a stumblingblock to them that are weak.
10 For if any man see thee which hast knowledge sit at meat in the idol's temple, shall not the conscience of him which is weak be emboldened to eat those things which are offered to idols;

You have a weak conscience.

 

[Ronald Nolette]

I was discussing the worlds celebration to Jesus. All who celebrate Christmas include santa.

I celebrate Christmas and do not celebrate santa- so your statement is a lie. I know of tens of thousand sof followers of Jesus who celebrate Christmas and exclude Santa.