The Problems of Perpetual Belief Alone Salvation-ism.

[Titus]

So which denomination are you recommending?

Hello, Gods word condemns denominationalism which is by definition division.
1Corinthians 1:10,
-Now I plead with you brethren, by the name of our Lord Jesus Christ that you all speak the same thing and that there be no divisions among you, but that you be perfectly joined together in the same mind and in the same judgment.

 

[Titus]

For the sake of clarification,” Unbelief” is a sin, but I usually leave it out of typical discussions in regard to sin because it is in a different type of Camp——It is the only sin not covered by the Blood....

If the sin of unbelief is not covered by Christs shed blood, then no one can be saved.
Prove this belief of yours with scripture. You just make claims but do not back them up with scripture.
You prove nothing.

 

[RLT63]

Hello, Gods word condemns denominationalism which is by definition division.
1Corinthians 1:10,
-Now I plead with you brethren, by the name of our Lord Jesus Christ that you all speak the same thing and that there be no divisions among you, but that you be perfectly joined together in the same mind and in the same judgment.

So you don’t go to Church?

 

[Titus]

So you don’t go to Church?

Friend, How many churches were there in the first century? Answer, One
Jesus said He will build His church(singular)
Matthew 16:18-19,
-And I also say to you that you are Peter and on this rock I will build My church(singular) and the gates of hades shall not prevail against it.
There is one church. That church belongs to Jesus.
The gates of hades shall not prevail against it, means that nothing can destroy it, it is everlasting from the moment Christ established it.

All of the apostles where in the same church! Paul was not in the Baptist church, THERE WAS NO SUCH THING AS THE BAPTIST CHURCH.
Peter was not in the catholic church, NO SUCH THING WHEN PETER LIVED.

All the apostles where in the Lords church!
That church has local churches. All of these local churches are universally the church of Christ,
Romans 16:16,
-Greet one another with a Holy kiss. The churches of Christ greet you.

Christians are members of the Lords church, that church according to Paul is the church of Christ.
No denominational churches existed at this time. btw, catholic church is a denomination just as Methodist church is a denomination.

Easy proof that the catholic church is a denomination.
Jesus is the HEAD of his church.
Christians are the body of His church.
Catholic church is the body, but this church has two heads!!! The Pope and supposedly Jesus.
That is a two headed monster!

Ephesians 5:23,
-For the husband is head of his wife, as also Christ is head of the church: and He is the Savior of the body.

 

[Bible Highlighter]

So which denomination are you recommending?

None. Just follow God’s Word (the Bible) in what it says plainly and ask God to send His Spirit to give you the understanding.

 

[Bible Highlighter]

Hello, I had a Muslim tell me I could not be in the right religion. I asked him why? He said because there are more muslims in the world than christians. I informed him if he is true he just proved himself wrong.

Right, because narrow is the way and FEW be there that find it.

 

[Bible Highlighter]

You are in the camp that Jesus' commandments are not required to be obeyed.
So, you believe in salvation through disobedience.
It amazes me that folks who believe they will be saved by Jesus openly admit willful disobedient sin against Jesus,

Lol.....exaggerate much? Yeah, that’s what I’m all about- “ Disobedience” .... ....not to sound repetitive, but, * Sigh*.......

I do God's Will—- the exact Opposite Of “ Disobedience”—- and what would “ God’s Will “ be? It would be to “ Believe in the One that He sent”....

The Obedience That Saves a person, this side of the Cross, is the “ Obedience to the Gospel” .....to “ Obey” the Gospel (1Cor15:1-4) means to BELIEVE IT! To Prove that one truly Believes it means that you REST in it as Commanded in Hebrews 3 and 4.....if you do not REST in Paul’s Gospel Of Pure Grace ,God declares you as being “ Disobedient” and Guilty Of UNBELIEF! Serious stuff—- stuff you are probably totally Ignorant about.....if you are ADDING to the Gospel with stuff like “ Commandment Keeping” or making sure that you “repent of all of your sins before you die , lest you be damned”, or totally refraining from sinning on-Purpose or “ Willfully” Sinning ( 99.9% of your sins, btw) , you are Adding Law to Grace and if you do that you are cancelling all of that Grace that could have saved you.....

All those previous things that I mentioned might be good things to do , in and of themselves , but they do not save.....if you add to the Gospel and say that you MUST do these things, saying essentially that the Blood Of Jesus is “ Essential” for Salvation but just not “ Adequate” by itself for Salvation , you have crossed the line—- you are one of the millions that has “ Fallen From Grace” and is clueless about it...You are “ Severed from Christ”...... read Galatians 5 and tell me that I am wrong....Some equate Falling from Grace as tantamount to Damnation—- you'd better pray that they are wrong......hope you had a nice Thanksgiving.....I hope this bad news did not give you indigestion....

As for God’s will:

God’s will is our Sanctification.​

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1 Thessalonians 4:3​

“For this is the will of God, even your sanctification, that ye should abstain from fornication:”​

As for the gospel:

Again, the gospel is 1 Corinthians 15:1-10. There is no break in thought when reading verses 1-10. So the gospel includes not only believing that Christ’s died for our sins, He was buried, and risen the third day (1 Corinthians 15:1-4), but it also includes laboring greatly because of the grace of God within us (1 Corinthians 15:10). For it is not only good news to be forgiven of our past sins, but it is good news to be changed by Jesus Christ and to become a slave to righteousness (See: Romans 6).​

As for the blood:

Try reading also 1 John 1:7. It says you have to WALK in the light as He is in the light and the blood of Jesus cleanses us from all sin. The indirect wording in 1 John 2:9-11 says that walking in the light = loving your brother. So you have to love your brother to have the blood of Jesus to cleanse you from all sin. 1 John 3:10 says, “In this the children of God are manifest, and the children of the devil: whosoever doeth not righteousness is not of God, neither he that loveth not his brother.”​

So if you are not doing righteousness or not loving your brother.. you are not of God.
Somebody who is not of God is not saved. So you can play the whole imaginary card that the Bible teaches only a belief in Jesus saves and nothing else but you would be perpetuating a lie by doing so. This is because you prefer to listen to popular preachers or churches rather than the Bible.

 

[Bible Highlighter]

So you don’t go to Church?

This is huge misconception. Most Bible alone following Christians have the idea that church is going to a big building and listening to a sermon when you can do that on YouTube.

Most in this camp have the idea of going to church is being next to other believers singing praises to God but chances are they have no clue about the Parable of the Talents or what the warning is to the church in Revelation 3 about their works not being perfect before God. They draw near to God with their lips but their hearts are far from Him. They go back out into the world and love the things of this world, and then come back on Sunday as if that somehow cleanses them. True fellowship is with believers who are serious in following the Lord Jesus. Most people just sing and talk of grace but they are not concerned with preaching the gospel to others, helping the poor, loving the brethren, loving one’s enemies, etcetera. It’s all a big show with lights in a building with some songs and a grace sermon and or some moral tips to guide you in life but never of judgment if you just believe in the finished work of the cross. Many (not all) are strangers to each other in this big building. They are not even friends. Normal churches are a facade. There is no true unity in Christ there. They have no clue of the true obligations that God requires of them (According to His Word). This is because they reject tons of verses in their Bible and they don’t even know they are doing so.

 

[RLT63]

This is huge misconception. Most Bible alone following Christians have the idea that church is going to a big building and listening to a sermon when you can do that on YouTube.

Most in this camp have the idea of going to church is being next to other believers singing praises to God but chances are they have no clue about the Parable of the Talents or what the warning is to the church in Revelation 3 about their works not being perfect before God. They draw near to God with their lips but their hearts are far from Him. They go back out into the world and love the things of this world, and then come back on Sunday as if that somehow cleanses them. True fellowship is with believers who are serious in following the Lord Jesus. Most people just sing and talk of grace but they are not concerned with preaching the gospel to others, helping the poor, loving the brethren, loving one’s enemies, etcetera. It’s all a big show with lights in a building with some songs and a grace sermon and or some moral tips to guide you in life but never of judgment if you just believe in the finished work of the cross. Many (not all) are strangers to each other in this big building. They are not even friends. Normal churches are a facade. There is no true unity in Christ there. They have no clue of the true obligations that God requires of them (According to His Word). This is because they reject tons of verses in their Bible and they don’t even know they are doing so.

So if they don’t do it the way you do it they are wrong . Gotcha

 

[Bible Highlighter]

So if they don’t do it the way you do it they are wrong . Gotcha

It has nothing to do with me. I did not write the Bible. God did. If you believe the Bible, you will find that most that what goes on in church is not biblical except for praising God, having a belief in the Godhead (Trinity), and calling upon the name of the Lord Jesus for salvation. Beyond that, it’s generally a spiritual train wreck. They don’t teach Sanctification as a part of salvation after we are saved by God’s grace. They are not focused on gathering together in love as friends in the Lord and truly seeking to help each other in love. Jesus said love one another in regards to the brethren. Many are not doing that let alone even teaching it. They have a pastor king and it’s a one man show. Not everyone can have a psalm a doctrine, etc.

 

[Gospel Believer]

So which denomination are you recommending?

So which denomination are you recommending?

None.....when people ask me what Denomination I belong to , I respond, “ None— I’m just a Jesus-Man.” If Anybody out there wants good Bible Teaching, visit Andrew Farley or Renee Roland or Grace Christian Fellowship on you tube ....

 

[RLT63]

It has nothing to do with me. I did not write the Bible. God did. If you believe the Bible, you will find that most that what goes on in church is not biblical except for praising God, having a belief in the Godhead (Trinity), and calling upon the name of the Lord Jesus for salvation. Beyond that, it’s generally a spiritual train wreck. They don’t teach Sanctification as a part of salvation after we are saved by God’s grace. They are not focused on gathering together in love as friends in the Lord and truly seeking to help each other in love. Jesus said love one another in regards to the brethren. Many are not doing that let alone even teaching it. They have a pastor king and it’s a one man show. Not everyone can have a psalm a doctrine, etc.

You’ve been to all the Churches?

 

[RLT63]

None.....when people ask me what Denomination I belong to , I respond, “ None— I’m just a Jesus-Man.” If Anybody out there wants good Bible Teaching, visit Andrew Farley or Renee Roland or Grace Christian Fellowship on you tube ....

I’m non- denominational

 

[Titus]

None.....when people ask me what Denomination I belong to , I respond, “ None— I’m just a Jesus-Man.” If Anybody out there wants good Bible Teaching, visit Andrew Farley or Renee Roland or Grace Christian Fellowship on you tube ....

All those people you mentioned are in the hyper grace sect. They are sectarian. They believe in not obeying God. Only belief and nothing else. They reject Jesus as being their Lord, Master and King. He is only their Friend, Savior. They refer to anyone who teaches one must obey and submit to Jesus as lordship salvationists.

 

[Gospel Believer]

To speak gospel truth and not doctrines of men one must speak as the bible speaks, 1Peter 4:11.
You argument has no scripture just you making claims that your belief is gospel.
Without scripture you have proven nothing.

The only Scripture that I need is something that I preach all of the time—- where have you been?
For Salvation , it’s 1Cor15:1-4.....it’s Paul’s Gospel Of Grace, given to him by Jesus personally......it’s the one thing that God will be asking you about come Judgement Day.....it’s enough— What you did with that Gospel will determine Heaven or Hell.....did you Rest in it as Commanded to do or did you add to it with your “ Goodness”—— whatever “ Holy Sounding” self- Righteousness You concocted so you could make yourself essentially the “ Co- Savior”.....
Wanna enter Heaven? Be prepared to give Jesus 100% of the Credit for Salvation and Yourself None......Don't Discover when it’s too late that the Old Hymn that you sang mindlessly a thousand times had it right all along.... It really *IS* , “ Nothing But The Blood”......Nothing.

 

[Titus]

Hyper grace sect main doctrine is, sin all you want. It matters not to God.
Renee Roland on YouTube says drink, smoke, it doesn't matter you cannot loose your salvation no matter how you live. The hyper grace movement is out of the Baptist church. Just another sect of the Baptist religion. They are a denomination.

 

[Titus]

The only Scripture that I need is something that I preach all of the time—- where have you been?
For Salvation , it’s 1Cor15:1-4.....it’s Paul’s Gospel Of Grace, given to him by Jesus personally......it’s the one thing that God will be asking you about come Judgement Day.....it’s enough— What you did with that Gospel will determine Heaven or Hell.....did you Rest in it as Commanded to do or did you add to it with your “ Goodness”—— whatever “ Holy Sounding” self- Righteousness You concocted so you could make yourself essentially the “ Co- Savior”.....
Wanna enter Heaven? Be prepared to give Jesus 100% of the Credit for Salvation and Yourself None......Don't Discover when it’s too late th4at the Old Hymn that you sang mindlessly a thousand times had it right all along.... It really *IS* , “ Nothing But The Blood”......Nothing.

Then tear out of your Bible 90 percent of the new testament. You are following after lawlessness,
Matthew 7:21-23,
-Not everyone who says to Me Lord, Lord, shall enter the kingdom of heaven, but he that does the will of My Father in heaven,
many will say to Me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in thy name and done many wonders in thy name?
and then I will declare to them, I never knew you; depart from Me you who practise lawlessness.

 

[Titus]

The only Scripture that I need is something that I preach all of the time—- where have you been?
For Salvation , it’s 1Cor15:1-4.....it’s Paul’s Gospel Of Grace, given to him by Jesus personally......it’s the one thing that God will be asking you about come Judgement Day.....it’s enough— What you did with that Gospel will determine Heaven or Hell.....did you Rest in it as Commanded to do or did you add to it with your “ Goodness”—— whatever “ Holy Sounding” self- Righteousness You concocted so you could make yourself essentially the “ Co- Savior”.....
Wanna enter Heaven? Be prepared to give Jesus 100% of the Credit for Salvation and Yourself None......Don't Discover when it’s too late that the Old Hymn that you sang mindlessly a thousand times had it right all along.... It really *IS* , “ Nothing But The Blood”......Nothing.

No commandment keeping to be saved according to Gospel believer, Hyper grace gospel is salvation by disobedience!
1John 2:4,
-He who says I know Jesus, and does not keep His commandments is a liar and the truth is not in him.

 

[Bible Highlighter]

You’ve been to all the Churches?

I am not a new believer and I have looked diligently for several years to see if there are any churches that believe the Bible teaches Sanctification is a part of our salvation (along with believing the Trinity, the Bible alone, etc.) and I have not found many. There is one church I discovered who believes we are saved by both God’s grace and Sanctification. They are called, “Christ’s Sanctified Holy Church” (Home - Christ's Sanctified Holy Church). However, while I was excited by their videos, I eventually came to discover that they do not believe in the bodily resurrection (Which is a denial of the resurrection according to 1 Corinthians 15). Another church who appears to teach that holiness is a part of salvation along with God’s saving grace is the Salvation Army. But I found out that they were into Masonry (which is evil and cultic). Then there is the church called, “The Church of Christ” who believes in holiness involving our salvation. But they wrongfully believe baptism is how one gets initially saved (among other problems). Nazarene churches are another holiness church,. But I researched them, and they succumbed to the ways of this world (with some of them partaking of Labyrinths). One Nazarene church I visited I noticed that one of the Christians there held to Ecumenism (among other problems). I found only one church that I have not visited yet because they are far away in another State. International Fellowship of Bible Churches International Fellowship of Bible Churches.

But here is the thing. Do they stand out in helping people to preach the gospel and help the poor and to love the brethren? Do they love each other as friends? Are they all the same? Are they just another platform where they speak to a faceless audience and they don’t get to know anyone there and seek to truly help them follow Christ Jesus?

I have talked on Christian forums since 2011 and I try to find like minded believers. I have not really found many, either. Why? Because we are living in the last days. The second largest branch of Christianity is Protestantism and most them hold to Belief Alone Salvationism and or a sin and still be saved type belief. Protestantism numbers close to 1 billion adherents. Most of them are Belief Alone Proponents. So I highly doubt that Protestant Belief Alone Salvationism is the narrow way and the few in whom Jesus talked about.

 

[Gottservant]

The OP is a funny way of saying "believers endure to the end".

If you're saying this can be done in good ways and in bad, you make a fair point - if not, what are you trying to say?